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    • martinthebandit
    • By martinthebandit 15th Mar 19, 2:27 PM
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    Para's and bl**dy sunday
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    • 15th Mar 19, 2:27 PM
    Para's and bl**dy sunday 15th Mar 19 at 2:27 PM
    Just in case anyone wants to here is a link to a petition to give soldiers who served in Northern Ireland amnesty.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/243947:

    Sorry if it's been posted already

    If you don't find joy in the snow,
    remember you'll have less joy in your life


    ...but still have the same amount of snow!
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    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 17th Mar 19, 2:27 PM
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    • 17th Mar 19, 2:27 PM
    Just in case anyone wants to here is a link to a petition to give soldiers who served in Northern Ireland amnesty.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/243947:

    Sorry if it's been posted already
    Originally posted by martinthebandit

    Personally I believe in Law and Order: someone who commits a very serious crime when in uniform should never benefit from an amnesty.
    • badmemory
    • By badmemory 18th Mar 19, 1:05 PM
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    • 18th Mar 19, 1:05 PM
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    • 18th Mar 19, 1:05 PM
    Fair enough - but the Good Friday agreement does not agree with you. What becomes law for one should be law for all.


    They wish to penalise those who obeyed their senior officers whilst those who shot people & blew up people & buildings for their own purposes (& in many cases profit) get off!
    • DiggerUK
    • By DiggerUK 6th Dec 19, 9:27 AM
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    • 6th Dec 19, 9:27 AM
    I was just obeying orders!!
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    • 6th Dec 19, 9:27 AM
    They wish to penalise those who obeyed their senior officers......
    by badmemory
    Now when did we hear that lame defence last.
    If orders were issued by senior officers, then those officers should also be prosecuted..._
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    • badmemory
    • By badmemory 6th Dec 19, 8:42 PM
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    • 6th Dec 19, 8:42 PM
    I notice you miss off the second part of the sentence. Letting the IRA etc off is not Law & Order. That is what I object to. One law for the army & another for the IRA etc & let the terrorists off.
    • Tallaght
    • By Tallaght 7th Dec 19, 3:31 PM
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    • 7th Dec 19, 3:31 PM
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    • 7th Dec 19, 3:31 PM
    The same Paras that shot people in the back as they ran away.
    • badmemory
    • By badmemory 9th Dec 19, 4:25 AM
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    • 9th Dec 19, 4:25 AM
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    • 9th Dec 19, 4:25 AM
    Just to add - I would normally be on the side of the "did the army do right, we should really check this out" but you can't let one side off completely as they did with the Irish terrorists & then try to hold the army to account like they are trying to do now. One law for one & another for another!


    If they are going to take soldiers to court then they should withdraw the agreement that stopped the IRA & others from being charged. Oh whoops would that mean that NI gov would have a problem? Oh maybe not because that has been a problem for some time. Time for someone to get their backsides in gear.


    NI do not want Brexit but can't get their a***s in gear enough to do anything about it. If they are lucky they may be rescued by the SNP, wish they could rescue the rest of us!
    • MothballsWallet
    • By MothballsWallet 10th Dec 19, 6:55 PM
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    • 10th Dec 19, 6:55 PM
    Now when did we hear that lame defence last.
    If orders were issued by senior officers, then those officers should also be prosecuted..._
    Originally posted by DiggerUK
    Are you referring to the Nuremberg Defence?
    Always ask yourself one question: What would Gibbs do?

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    • kangoora
    • By kangoora 10th Dec 19, 8:17 PM
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    The same Paras that shot people in the back as they ran away.
    Originally posted by Tallaght
    Meanwhile, the scum that kneecapped my friend, stripped him naked and executed him with a shot to the back of the head and then dumped his corpse in waste ground get immunity

    Yeah, that's fair
    • badmemory
    • By badmemory 11th Dec 19, 3:42 AM
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    A lot of nasty things happened in Northern Ireland some years ago. We need to make a decision whether to draw a line under ALL of it or allow it to continue. If I remember rightly the army first went in to protect the catholics (many of whom were not allowed to vote as they weren't home owners). Then politics got in the way as it always tends to do. Then the proverbial hit the fan. And I suspect Brexit is going to make that fan rather busy!
    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 11th Dec 19, 9:49 AM
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    The army were there to help. In the meantime the ones that thought it was fun to kill civilians in bomb blasts like Eniskillen and aim at military parades such as Hyde Park and Regents Park are hailed as heros by people such as Corbyn.

    The terrorists should be punished, the army praised.

    In 1973 NI had their border poll and a massive majority of those that voted wanted to remain in the UK. Unfortunately those that disagreed had bombs etc. They were, and still are, trying to force the majority to do as the minority want. Sound familiar?
    What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare
    • Tallaght
    • By Tallaght 11th Dec 19, 11:00 AM
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    The army were there to help. In the meantime the ones that thought it was fun to kill civilians in bomb blasts like Eniskillen and aim at military parades such as Hyde Park and Regents Park are hailed as heros by people such as Corbyn.

    The terrorists should be punished, the army praised.

    In 1973 NI had their border poll and a massive majority of those that voted wanted to remain in the UK. Unfortunately those that disagreed had bombs etc. They were, and still are, trying to force the majority to do as the minority want. Sound familiar?
    Originally posted by Enterprise 1701C


    Relatives of four soldiers murdered by an IRA bomb in Hyde Park in 1982 are seeking damages from the main suspect.

    The four members of the Royal Household Cavalry were killed as they rode to the Changing of the Guard ceremony in Whitehall on 20 July 1982.

    A criminal case against John Downey, who denied four counts of murder, collapsed in controversial circumstances in 2014.

    The civil action is taking place in London and is due to last three days.

    It emerged that, by mistake, Mr Downey had received an assurance from the government that he was not wanted in connection with any offence.

    The so-called "On-the-Run" letters were issued as part of the Northern Ireland peace agreement in 1998.
    • rosie51
    • By rosie51 11th Dec 19, 4:51 PM
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    Meanwhile, the scum that kneecapped my friend, stripped him naked and executed him with a shot to the back of the head and then dumped his corpse in waste ground get immunity

    Yeah, that's fair
    Originally posted by kangoora
    Everyone forgets the IRA and what they did. I was in the QARANC and saw first hand what they did to our soldiers and i am hunted to this day by the memories . The IRA also planted bombs where they knew women and children were likely to be present. People only want to remember Bloody Sunday and the like. The Irish people suffered as much as anyone.
    There should be no charges brought to the military, many IRA were let off and went onto served in politics.
    Time to for give BUT not to forget.
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