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bergkamp
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edited 14 August 2018 at 8:42PM in Parking tickets, fines & parking
NTK issued date 12 days after the event, with the sentence;


' This notice is deemed to have been given to you on the second working day after the date of sending above',


added to end of the POFA blurb.


Obviously this means nothing without proof of postage, and the NTK was actually received by the RK 16 days after the event.


The relevant land specified is ' ONE STOP '. Very informative!


The IPC template has been sent with the addition of no keeper liability explanation for them...
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  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,669 Forumite
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    OK - but still don't try IAS, you will lose. It's pointless.
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    ABOUT ONE STOP
    One Stop Stores Limited is a retail convenience business with over 770 company operated neighbourhood stores and 160 franchisees across England, Wales and Scotland.

    So erm which is the relevant land then? I'd suggest that "one stop" probably isn't specific enough to transfer to keeper liability.
  • bergkamp
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    I don't think it is pointless when you have clearly non compliant NTK.


    I wouldn't advise any newbie to appeal to the IAS, but getting some up to date ' Independent Adjudicator '


    decisions is not a bad thing IMO. If only for the entertainment value of the operator and Adjudicator


    comments. :)


    The appeal was simply on no keeper liability.


    Two points - Out of time NTK, and no relevant land on NTK.


    UKCPM try and address the timing point but totally ignore the relevant land issue!


    Obviously the appeal was dismissed by 'Independent Adjudicator'....


    https://www.dropbox.com/s/nd7jr851cki3bd8/UKCPM_IAS_APPEAL.pdf?dl=0
  • Quentin
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    Why did you come here for advice then ignore it?

    Spilt milk now!!
  • Umkomaas
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    Bergkamp knows what he’s doing, I think it was always his intention to draw the IAS and operator out on this. He was well aware of the likely outcome, as I read it.

    No doubt he’ll confirm.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Quentin
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    Umkomaas wrote: »
    Bergkamp knows what he’s doing, I think it was always his intention to draw the IAS and operator out on this. He was well aware of the likely outcome, as I read it.

    No doubt he’ll confirm.

    You must have mystic powers cos there's nothing in this thread to suggest an agenda like this
  • bergkamp
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    Quentin wrote: »
    Why did you come here for advice then ignore it?

    Spilt milk now!!

    :huh:. See post 6.

    The ' Independent Adjudicator ' is " satisfied as to the location of the contravention"....

    So that's relevant land sorted. :laugh:
  • The_Deep
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    I agree with Bergkamp.


    It is clearly flawed decisions such as this which bolster the motorists case. A good defence can drive a coach and horses through such an "independent adjudication" in court. Why cannot people see this?
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • Umkomaas
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    Quentin wrote: »
    You must have mystic powers cos there's nothing in this thread to suggest an agenda like this

    No mystic powers, I just read every thread on this forum and from bergkamp’s other inputs on various other threads, it’s obvious he’s no wet-behind-the-ears newbie.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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  • Coupon-mad
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    Quentin wrote: »
    You must have mystic powers cos there's nothing in this thread to suggest an agenda like this

    His other posts recently showed us that bergkamp knows a few scores.

    :) snap, Umkomaas!
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