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  • pelirocco
    pelirocco Posts: 8,274 Forumite
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    laveugle wrote: »
    I tried BorrowMyDoggy, unfortunately didn't work out so cancelled my membership after the year was up.
    If I rehomed the dogs we'd all be devastated. Our weekends revolve around going out with the dogs to new places and my mental health has been a lot better since having them. I don't lose my temper as much, I'm a lot calmer and nicer (I was horrible before). They are basically my support animals. I just need to evaluate what I can do with regards to costs. I might see if I am able to get home even one day a week as that would save £60 a month as a starting point.

    You must be under a huge strain carrying this financial burden , so dont beat yourself up over it , I know I have been harsh with my posts , but there isnt a financial problem that cant be solved , it is what it is and it can be sorted , there are lots of diaries on here and people to offer support . The first step is going to be hard
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  • laveugle
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    pelirocco wrote: »
    laveugle wrote: »
    I tried BorrowMyDoggy, unfortunately didn't work out so cancelled my membership after the year was up.
    If I rehomed the dogs we'd all be devastated. Our weekends revolve around going out with the dogs to new places and my mental health has been a lot better since having them. I don't lose my temper as much, I'm a lot calmer and nicer (I was horrible before). They are basically my support animals. I just need to evaluate what I can do with regards to costs. I might see if I am able to get home even one day a week as that would save £60 a month as a starting point.

    You must be under a huge strain carrying this financial burden , so dont beat yourself up over it , I know I have been harsh with my posts , but there isnt a financial problem that cant be solved , it is what it is and it can be sorted , there are lots of diaries on here and people to offer support . The first step is going to be hard

    I do understand that often softly softly doesn't force people to see the reality, it was the second quote I had a problem with to be honest. Yours was brutal but at the same time fair, I didn't feel the second was.

    My first step I think is to look at all the electronics in the house and just ebay the lot. We have two kindle fires, so that's at least £60!
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  • KeepOnKnitting
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    Can either you or your partner work from home, or change job to be closer to home? Your commute costs are high, and the child/dog care is huge. You might be better off working school hours round the corner from home at minimum wage, then maybe an evening job to top up.
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  • System
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    "as well as 4 appointments per year"

    Jeez - you treat your dogs like royalty. Just because your dog needs a wee, doesn't mean the only option is to splurge £300+.

    Have you thought of a dog flap?

    Have you thought about keeping the cleaner and getting them to let the dog into the garden whilst they clean?

    Have you asked the neighbour to let the dog out once a day for a small fee or favours like cutting grass or something?

    Have you thought about a litter tray/puppy pads?

    Have you thought about keeping them in a padlocked garden with a shelter there - this is really good for them in lovely weather?

    Dogs are inherently lazy and will be just fine in the house for the day. So many people seem to think that dogs just won't cope without being let out walked every five minutes.
  • anna_1977
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    Hey, I was going to suggest Borrow my Doggy too but I've just seen that it didn't work for you.

    Is your garden 100% secure, like someone else has mentioned maybe a dog flap is a good idea.

    I have a 3yr old Labrador, i'm lucky enough to be able to take him into work but on the days i can't I leave the back door open. It cost about £200 to totally secure the garden as only a little work needed doing but it's worth it.

    Also, maybe put an advert in the vet's asking for someone to help walking the dog.

    I suspect and totally understand that you feel a massive sense of guilt leaving them at home all day on their own but they will be OK. I think you'll be surprised at how long they will manage without a wee - I'm guessing they last all night as it is.

    Good luck with your journey and roll on 2020 and getting rid of the car
  • Ilona
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    Have you thought about keeping them in a padlocked garden with a shelter there - this is really good for them in lovely weather?

    Not a good idea to leave them alone in a garden no matter how secure it is. Dogs are being stolen all the time, even when the owners are in the house. If they are pedigree designer dogs all the more reason for making sure the dogs are secure 24/7.

    Op, I appreciate that the dogs are a valued part of your family, and they are calming for your mental health, but paying for them is hindering your attempts to get out of the debt cycle. You have to weigh one up against the other. The dogs will cost you thousands during their lives, have you factored that into the long term plan?

    You may not like all the replies you get here, but without sounding too patronizing you need to earn more, or spend less. I'm not sure what else you expected to hear. Try keeping a spending diary, record every penny spent, and I mean literally every penny. Look at areas of your life that you can cut down on. Buying food is where you can cut down on spending, not eating out, no takeaways, take a pack up to work, shopping late for yellow stickers, buy supermarkets basic/value labels, cutting down on your intake of meat, cut out the snacks and junk food, no convenience ready meals. All will save you money.

    Best of luck. ilona
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  • laveugle
    laveugle Posts: 35 Forumite
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    Hmmm I wouldn't say I treat them like royalty, I'm a first time dog owner so took the advice of my vet and friends with dogs. We've actually had to use all the 4 appointments due to shattered claws, ticks etc. I plan to stop the plan when they are 4 and not bother topping up vaccinations but as they're young I am nervous of stuff that can harm them. I definitely don't treat them like royalty but I do treat them like they are my children ;)

    Dog flap - landlord said no, that was my first idea. We also asked our neighbour to let the dogs out for a small fee and she refused. Our garden's not that secure and backs onto an estate with a bad reputation. I'd consider it if we moved though!

    I know the dogs are lazy. I've watched what they do throughout the day but I've also seen the terrier pop upstairs for a wee on my bath mat. She just can't hold it. So I looked at how much it would cost for someone to pay a house visit and she charged the same as the blooming dog walker. I am going to try to see if I can get home once a week, it's a start at least.

    The only thing I guess that I am not entirely certain on is pet insurance. Mine covers up to 12k a year - I made that decision based on what other people had in a facebook group for Sprockers.
    Debt: £52,071.1:eek:
    I'm totally going to pay this off within 5 years, you just watch me.
  • laveugle
    laveugle Posts: 35 Forumite
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    Ilona wrote: »
    Not a good idea to leave them alone in a garden no matter how secure it is. Dogs are being stolen all the time, even when the owners are in the house. If they are pedigree designer dogs all the more reason for making sure the dogs are secure 24/7.

    Op, I appreciate that the dogs are a valued part of your family, and they are calming for your mental health, but paying for them is hindering your attempts to get out of the debt cycle. You have to weigh one up against the other. The dogs will cost you thousands during their lives, have you factored that into the long term plan?
    My garden is secure on one side but the back fence isn't, in fact there is a gap that the terrier can get out into next doors garden but we've managed to block it off at the moment. Imagine our surprise to see her in next doors garden! The other dog isn't a designer dog as such, but Sprockers are high on dog nappers lists because they are so friendly, had a few go missing in our town

    I did factor in the cost, especially when I wasn't paying a dog walker. I had the discussion with my husband when I got home last night and he point blank will not give up the dogs. I genuinely think he'd rather give me up. I'm going to look into whether I can do a part DMP, take the three big debts that are causing me issues and see what I can do.
    Debt: £52,071.1:eek:
    I'm totally going to pay this off within 5 years, you just watch me.
  • laveugle
    laveugle Posts: 35 Forumite
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    And try to reduce the dog walking bill..
    Debt: £52,071.1:eek:
    I'm totally going to pay this off within 5 years, you just watch me.
  • Working_Mum
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    Hello laveugle,
    I am sorry you've had a tough day. People are kind on here but maybe don't always consider the impact of what they are writing on the recipient. I am sure posters meant their posts kindly and maybe as a reality check for you. I hop you will come back and keep posting.

    I think you need to get really practical and thought I'd share some of the things I did (and still do) when I totted up the debts my ex-husband had left me with 10 years ago (almost £90k and most of it in my name and only a self employed income to support myself, my 2 kids and pay these debts!)

    I did an inventory of everything I owned from food to toiletries - I realise that I hoard food when I feel stressed! I didn't buy anything I already had. I shopped with a list after meal planning and unearthed the delights of A1di/L1dl shopping - tracking all spends in my lovely book (see below)!!

    I wrote a big list of everything that I owed, the interest rate, balance, minimum payment and date the payment due. I wrote a list of all of my direct debits, what they were for, amount, expiry and when they were due to be paid out. I cancelled the ones which were not necessary and made a note of renewal dates for insurances/utilities etc and got better rates shopping around at renewal time (this is my habit now!!).

    I took a long hard look at all of my income (self employed/maintenance from ex/ family allowance etc) and in particular the DATE I was generally paid. I changed my direct debits payment dates to be able to coincide with when I had payments coming in from my business. I made minimum payments on credit cards etc before due dates and when I got pennies in from my various sources. I only covered minimum payments for about a year but it meant I learned good habits and I got a bit of clear blue water between me and the debt.

    I set myself a weekly CASH budget for food/fuel/socialising and withdrew that each Thursday morning - I paid everything in cash!!!!!! If there was not enough money in my purse I learned to say no and do without - regardless of what it was. Cash is king!! I learned to take a breath and consider if I really needed to buy "this right now" and often the answer was that I didn't and could do without.

    I read Dave Ramsey and I snowballed my debts. You can buy his books online quite cheaply, he has a YouTube channel or you can read his learnings for free!!

    I learned what my triggers for spending were by keeping a spending diary (still do and find it a mindful experience) - I checked my bank accounts every morning (so no hasty surprises) and I slowly wrestled control. I think this maybe a useful exercise for you.

    By doing this I had a proper look at what the current landscape is - used my self employed skill set to get a smart plan together and then cracked on!! You have self-taught yourself your role so you have the skills to work a plan you simply need to change how you frame things.

    Personally I did my absolute utmost to keep my kids, my pooch, my home and my business trading and that was is a good motivation to stick to my budgets etc. On your dog front have you considered shaving one day per week off the walker and see how they get on - puppy pads are great (my dog is almost 20 and incontinent) and you could maybe secure an area like a utility room or kitchen for them to be in. I found it was by chipping away at every single penny I spent that I managed to learn to breathe and pay down my debts.

    Writing a diary will help you keep the faith!

    ((hugs))

    WM xx
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