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    • MSE Archna
    • By MSE Archna 18th Mar 08, 10:39 AM
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    TV Licence article Discussion
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    • 18th Mar 08, 10:39 AM
    TV Licence article Discussion 18th Mar 08 at 10:39 AM


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  • moonrakerz
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    • 18th Mar 08, 12:53 PM
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    • 18th Mar 08, 12:53 PM
    The article lays down the requirements for owning a licence very clearly, however the organisation (a company called Capita) which the BBC employs to maximise revenue from TV licences uses some rather heavy handed tactics in following its remit.

    TV Licensing treats everyone who does not have a licence, for perfectly legal reasons or otherwise, as a criminal. Their current TV advert says, very menacingly, "we have a record of every house without a TV licence". The DVLA don't put out adverts saying "we have a record of every house without a driving licence". TV Licensing seem to turn the basic premise of English (and Scottish!) Law on its head, by saying that you are guilty until you prove your innocence.
    Employees of TV Licensing have no legal powers whatsoever. Despite this they send out threatening letters referring to their "officers" and threats to interview you i.a.w. The Police & Criminal Evidence Act, it is all bluster. Some of it is almost libellous.
    They have no right of entry to your house, you do not have to speak to them, if you tell them to leave your property, they must do so.
    Remember - they have to prove that you are acting illegally - you don't have to prove to them that you are not. You do not have to give a reason for not having a TV licence either.

    If you should have a licence buy one ! but don't put up with the bullying tactics of TV Licensing if you don't need one.
  • lamp
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    • 19th Mar 08, 7:10 AM
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    • 19th Mar 08, 7:10 AM
    I look forward to the day TV licencing collapses. No profit-making company would be permitted to behave in the disgraceful manner TVL do
  • glassback
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    • 19th Mar 08, 7:45 AM
    tv licence discount
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    • 19th Mar 08, 7:45 AM
    I am deaf, and my wife is blind! What sort of discount can I expect on my television tax?:confused:
    • Shambler
    • By Shambler 19th Mar 08, 8:02 AM
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    • 19th Mar 08, 8:02 AM
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    • 19th Mar 08, 8:02 AM
    50% off if you show your wifes ophthalmic certificate.

    http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/tv-licence
    Last edited by Shambler; 19-03-2008 at 8:04 AM.
  • j Wood-cowling
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    • 19th Mar 08, 9:15 AM
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    • 19th Mar 08, 9:15 AM
    I do not have Sky Television I do not pay for sky. Whether or not I watch BBC TV I have to pay for it. This is wrong i should have a choice. I have no say in the huge salaries paid to some people on TV.
    The BBC is State Television used by Governments to control the public guardians of Royalty, Republicans are given no space on BBC. For years the BBC was controlled by the green book, the establishment decided what we should hear or see rather like Communist Soviet Union. Some of these control freaks are still around. Journalists don't complain they would all like to work for the BBC, a licence to print money.
  • teddyco
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    • 19th Mar 08, 9:47 AM
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    • 19th Mar 08, 9:47 AM
    Turn off the TV and read a good book. The stuff on TV these days is beyond bizarre.
    Last edited by teddyco; 25-08-2009 at 10:25 AM.
  • sandrah-t
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    • 19th Mar 08, 11:38 AM
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    • 19th Mar 08, 11:38 AM
    Does anyone know if being blind in one eye is classed as visually impaired and entitled to e reduced tv licence fee?
  • j Wood-cowling
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    • 19th Mar 08, 11:55 AM
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    • 19th Mar 08, 11:55 AM
    Nice try Sandra, but in the land of the blind the one eyed man is King.
  • bandann
    TV Licence query
    My mother (age 91) has now moved in with me, Does anyone know if I can get and refund on my licence and apply for the "free" one she gets?
    • JimArnold
    • By JimArnold 19th Mar 08, 1:57 PM
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    student TV licenses
    Interesting that Martin repeats the TV licensing site that a student will need a separate license if they plug their laptop onto an aerial.

    It has always been a requirement to have a licence if you plug into the mains but the aerial is a new one and does not seem to be covered by any legislation

    I have asked the TVL THREE times if this is new legislation and they have avoided answering merely quoting the mains connection

    I suspect that this is just another example of them getting extra fees by confusing people
    TANSTAAFL !
  • moonrakerz
    Interesting that Martin repeats the TV licensing site that a student will need a separate license if they plug their laptop onto an aerial.

    It has always been a requirement to have a licence if you plug into the mains but the aerial is a new one and does not seem to be covered by any legislation
    Originally posted by JimArnold
    I think Martin & JimArnold may have fallen for TV Licensing's double speak. You can have your TV/laptop/DVDR/PC plugged into the mains (you definitely don't need a licence for that !) and/or an aerial and as long as you don't watch it (live) you don't need a licence. The wording on the TVL website is very confusing - deliberately so ?

    This is a strange area now because you need a licence to watch live TV on a mobile phone. I think at one time there were exemptions for small battery powered devices, but with the pace of modern technology, how long before the mobile phone with a 42" screen appeared on the market ?
  • emmablight
    I Pay For My Licence By Direct Debit, My First 6 Months Were Double And Then Went Down. I Am Therefore 6 Months Ahead. I Have Moved House 3 Times Since Setting This Up And Each Time My Licence Has Just Been Transfered. I Asked Tv Licence When I Get Back The 6 Months They Are ''looking After'' For Me And They Said Either When I Cancel My Licence( Imposible As Is Illegal) Or When I Qualify For A Free One (when I'm 65) 38 Years Away. Can Anyone Work Out How Much Interest Bbc Are Earning On My 6 Month License For 38 Years And How Much I Am Losing Out On. Will I Even Remember In 38 Years That I Have Already Overpaid, Who Knows. But The Bbc Certainly Seem To Know What They Are Doing!!
    • weegie.geek
    • By weegie.geek 19th Mar 08, 9:43 PM
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    weegie.geek
    as long as you don't watch it (live) you don't need a licence.
    Originally posted by moonrakerz
    Sorry to be a pedant, and I'm sure it was just an oversight but as long as you don't watch it or record it as it's being broadcast, you don't need the license.

    The wording on the TVL website is very confusing - deliberately so ?
    Absolutely. I bet there are a pile of people who've been tricked into buying a license they don't need because of the dodgy wording on the website and the letters they send out. And even more who've been bullied into it by threats of fines and visits.

    It's shocking that they're allowed to do this. It should be transparent. All the website needs to say is:

    "Do I need a license?

    You need a license if you watch or record television as it's being broadcast."

    Is that so hard?

    This is a strange area now because you need a licence to watch live TV on a mobile phone. I think at one time there were exemptions for small battery powered devices, but with the pace of modern technology, how long before the mobile phone with a 42" screen appeared on the market ?
    How big are your trousers?

    It's not actually that crazy a thing to say, since they're developing devices the size of mobile phones with built-in video projectors. Just think how much fun public transport will be then, with neds projecting porn onto the ceiling... :rolleyes:
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  • Emid
    Why is it that at least 2.41 of the monthly licence fee pays for Radio Stations & Websites, when the licence fee is paid for by TELEVISION USERS?!

    I'm looking forward to the day that this unfair tax is scrapped. I NEVER watch or listen to anything the BBC produces, as I have Sky TV - however I still have to pay for it because I choose to use a television to watch programmes broadcast by other companies!

    Public service my @rse......
  • Ice
    I pay quarterly... sorry but it works for me...and if you watch tv get a licence it's that simple it doesn't matter what you watch just that you are watching it...if I have to have one then so does everyone else ...don't delay get one today...
    actually it really rattle's me when people say they haven't got one...there is just no need for it in this day and age....
    Last edited by Ice; 20-03-2008 at 2:01 AM.

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    • Stephenbw
    • By Stephenbw 20th Mar 08, 10:07 AM
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    Then there are an awful lot of nations without any pride

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_license

    I would be quite happy to pay a license fee for all the freeview channels directly to the broadcaster rather than via the ads that fund commercial TV.

    As for those who claim that they never watch or listen to anything broadcast by the BBC, I have a hard time understanding why anyone would choose to not watch something because it is on the BBC.

    I choose the programmes I watch, not the channel.
    Last edited by MSE ForumTeam3; 31-08-2016 at 11:47 AM. Reason: Quoting deleted post
  • cogder
    Then there are an awful lot of nations without any pride

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_license

    I would be quite happy to pay a license fee for all the freeview channels directly to the broadcaster rather than via the ads that fund commercial TV.

    As for those who claim that they never watch or listen to anything broadcast by the BBC, I have a hard time understanding why anyone would choose to not watch something because it is on the BBC.

    I choose the programmes I watch, not the channel.
    Originally posted by Stephenbw
    I NEVER watch, listen or anything to anything the BBC broadcasts, I wish I could just subscribe to the BBC if you want to watch those channels, I think in this day and age we should be able to choose what we have to pay for with regards to the TV, I don't pay for the sky movies for example.

    It's not that I choose to not watch anything BECAUSE it's on the BBC, it's because the BBC offers me nothing I wish to watch or listen to.

    If it's a "TV Licence" then why doesn't the money goto all the channels instead of an out of date, out of touch TV company that spends money hand over fist on drivel. Maybe if they were supported by ads, then they'd be a bit more conservative with what they spend their money on.

    Ah.... rant over
    • Stephenbw
    • By Stephenbw 20th Mar 08, 12:30 PM
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    I NEVER watch, listen or anything to anything the BBC broadcasts, I wish I could just subscribe to the BBC if you want to watch those channels, I think in this day and age we should be able to choose what we have to pay for with regards to the TV, I don't pay for the sky movies for example.
    Originally posted by cogder
    The logical extension of this is to pay for each programme, as there must be Sky programmes you are paying for but don't watch.


    It's not that I choose to not watch anything BECAUSE it's on the BBC, it's because the BBC offers me nothing I wish to watch or listen to.
    Originally posted by cogder
    What on earth do you watch? The BBC has the broadest range of TV (and Radio) programmes of any broadcaster. I find it hard to believe that there is nothing that appeals to you.
    • JimArnold
    • By JimArnold 20th Mar 08, 12:38 PM
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    I think Martin & JimArnold may have fallen for TV Licensing's double speak. You can have your TV/laptop/DVDR/PC plugged into the mains (you definitely don't need a licence for that !) and/or an aerial and as long as you don't watch it (live) you don't need a licence. The wording on the TVL website is very confusing - deliberately so ?

    This is a strange area now because you need a licence to watch live TV on a mobile phone. I think at one time there were exemptions for small battery powered devices, but with the pace of modern technology, how long before the mobile phone with a 42" screen appeared on the market ?
    Originally posted by moonrakerz
    I haven't fallen for anything - but I suspect Martin has - I am currently on my 4th e mails to the TVL asking them where the legislation about aerials can be found Each time they quote about mains connections and totally ignore the question about aerials

    When my eldest daughter was at UNi watching tv legally on her battery operated laptop the TVL man who knocked at the door knew nothing about the portable exemption and tried to threaten her with legal action. I eventually got a grudging apology from the TVL and a promise that they would revise their training. At first they maintained that their man was technically correct because you do need a licence to watch TV on a laptop or portable - its just that my licence covers all my familly who normally live at home

    This is far from a trivila matter if you have 3 kids = say 10 years at University you can waste 1355 (at current rates)

    I don't suppose there is much chance of BBC watchdog taking it up - how about Martin on ITV or Five ?
    TANSTAAFL !
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