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    • Moneyineptitude
    • By Moneyineptitude 20th Sep 19, 9:39 AM
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    Rats digging in the garden
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    • 20th Sep 19, 9:39 AM
    Rats digging in the garden 20th Sep 19 at 9:39 AM
    Some of my neighbours have been having issues with rats, due mainly to leaving bags of rubbish in the open which has attracted the !!!!!!s.

    Unfortunately, the rodents seem to have now migrated into my garden and I've found several areas excavated which I've tried to prevent continuing by placing heavy rockery stones on them. This has only slowed their progress. Every morning I find fresh evidence on the path of their digging. The worst affected is under a large tree in the corner of the garden.

    I'm actually afraid to disturb the soil too much in case there is a nest of them and I inadvertently corner them. However what I have tried is raking over the area and piling back the soil they disturb, all of which just seems to make them more determined.

    I've called the local Council exterminator but they are only in my area once a week and I have to wait for several days for them to arrive.

    I'm not confident setting poison or traps myself, but is there anything else I should be doing to deter this vermin?
    I've informed my neighbours, but their gardens are paved patio areas unlike mine and so they are not suffering in the same manner.

    I'll be so disappointed if all of this means I'll have to remove trees and plants which we've enjoyed comfortably for many years...
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    • sgun
    • By sgun 20th Sep 19, 10:39 AM
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    You wont get rid of the rats until you get rid of the food source. Rats actually like digging under slabs and stones so placing them over the holes wont help, its like putting up a big welcome sign. The paved areas of your neighbours are a dream come true for rats, there will be nests under them! Waiting several days for the council doesn't seem like too much of a hardship. Please don't use poison yourself. If you get it wrong then the rats could be eaten by owls or other wildlife (and cats, dogs).

    Rats need food, water and shelter. Take away one of these and they will move on (removing the food source is easiest, get the council environmental health involved if it really is the bin bags) Rats love bird food too.
    • Gloomendoom
    • By Gloomendoom 20th Sep 19, 11:25 AM
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    We have this problem. As said, they love living under paved area and rockeries. I'm in the process of removing mine.

    In the meantime, neighbours' cats are regularly leaving corpses on the path.
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain
    • Moneyineptitude
    • By Moneyineptitude 20th Sep 19, 12:18 PM
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    You wont get rid of the rats until you get rid of the food source. Rats actually like digging under slabs and stones so placing them over the holes wont help, its like putting up a big welcome sign.
    Originally posted by sgun
    Well, I actually put about 40 Kilos of white cobbles on top of one area and had to remove a Hydrangea to do so. As I said, it did slow their progress.
    The paved areas of your neighbours are a dream come true for rats, there will be nests under them!
    Originally posted by sgun
    The problem is that their attitude is therefore "Out of sight out of mind" and they are not as concerned as I.
    Waiting several days for the council doesn't seem like too much of a hardship.
    Originally posted by sgun
    Yes, but I posted here in case there were any suggestions for what to do in the meantime.
    Please don't use poison yourself. If you get it wrong then the rats could be eaten by owls or other wildlife (and cats, dogs).
    Originally posted by sgun
    Yes, that was already my concern.

    Rats need food, water and shelter. Take away one of these and they will move on (removing the food source is easiest, get the council environmental health involved if it really is the bin bags) Rats love bird food too.
    Originally posted by sgun
    The problem is that we have an alleyway at the rear of our property which is continually populated by wheeliebins. With the move to fortnightly collection the bins are often overfull and, as stated in my earlier post neighbours leave bin bags out which the rats can easily get into.
    • naf123
    • By naf123 20th Sep 19, 12:32 PM
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    • 20th Sep 19, 12:32 PM
    placing lots of Dry ice pellets in their burrows will kill them all
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 20th Sep 19, 12:36 PM
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    Re confidence about your own traps, I am a scaredy-cat sort of person but had to call the rat catchers - so I asked to see. There's the plastic box and pellets. You open the lid of the box and there are two sides, you put the pellets in the side that doesn't have the entrance holes in it.

    You half fill it with pellets then don't touch it for a week.

    Then you refill it and leave it a week.

    Then you refill it and hopefully you'll see there's no need to do it any more.

    At first you'll see MORE rats, as they think it's a party of free food.... then they stop.

    It's always good to feel able to do it yourself.

    I asked the rat person "what are the chances of finding a dead one inside there when I open it?" and she said "I've never seen one yet, so practically zero". They go in, eat and run off.
    • Moneyineptitude
    • By Moneyineptitude 20th Sep 19, 1:19 PM
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    placing lots of Dry ice pellets in their burrows will kill them all
    Originally posted by naf123
    I've read about this being used in American cities. I'll look into this more closely after the Council has attended..
    • sgun
    • By sgun 20th Sep 19, 5:25 PM
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    Rats absolutely hate peppermint essential oil. Soak cotton wool.in it and poke it down the holes. Beware, I did have a rat run out once over my arm whilst doing this. I don't mind rats though. They cant chew through wire wool so that is also something to try. Personally I wouldn't kill them, if the alley is as bad as it sounds get the council involved ( who will bait them but should also be able to look at enforcement).
    • keith969
    • By keith969 20th Sep 19, 7:13 PM
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    Rats only respond to industrial strength poison, forget the rubbish that Rentokil sells in a e,g, Robert Dyas, they will gobble it up and come back to eat more the next day. Basically there are 2 different rat/mouse poisons. Rats are immune to one of them.

    Cant recall the name of the stuff, was in closed sachets and was blue. I can probably find the name if interested

    It's the only way I got ride if mine.
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    • J B
    • By J B 20th Sep 19, 7:40 PM
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    Rats only respond to industrial strength poison, forget the rubbish that Rentokil sells in a e,g, Robert Dyas, they will gobble it up and come back to eat more the next day. Basically there are 2 different rat/mouse poisons. Rats are immune to one of them.
    Originally posted by keith969

    Try this


    https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/sis.html?_nkw=TOMCAT+2+RAT+POISON+BLOX+Rodent+Bait +Mouse+784g+Tub+Ready+to+Use+Blocks+&_id=183747614 656&&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l46251
    • snowcat75
    • By snowcat75 20th Sep 19, 8:48 PM
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    Rats only respond to industrial strength poison, forget the rubbish that Rentokil sells in a e,g, Robert Dyas, they will gobble it up and come back to eat more the next day. Basically there are 2 different rat/mouse poisons. Rats are immune to one of them.

    Cant recall the name of the stuff, was in closed sachets and was blue. I can probably find the name if interested

    It's the only way I got ride if mine.
    Originally posted by keith969
    Baits are now controlled, You need to be registered as a professional to buy anything other than small quantity's.

    There are around 40 actives legal in the UK for rodenticides.

    Rats have the potential on any site to become resistant to any of these, the most common cause of site pacific resistance is poor baiting, and people will put down baits in insufficient quantys to kill the rat, if it doesn't become resistant it will become bait shy, as there intelligent enough to realise that its the bait making them ill.


    Really unless you wish to take the training so you can buy the correct baits, then the only alternative is to get someone in. A single rat needs 18g+ of bait to kill.


    If the OPs spotting rats then the infestation is large, there normally shy nontonal creatures, and there only about in daylight if there's a large number of them and there short of food, or they've been baited and disorientated.

    I despise rats.... Your want them gone..... there one step away from moving indoors and now as the weather is about to turn there natural instinct will be signalling them to head into buildings... dispatch them before cold weather sets in.
    • Moneyineptitude
    • By Moneyineptitude 20th Sep 19, 10:00 PM
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    If the OPs spotting rats then the infestation is large, there normally shy nocturnal creatures, and there only about in daylight if there's a large number of them and there short of food, or they've been baited and disorientated.
    Originally posted by snowcat75
    I'm not seeing them, only evidence of their excavations..
    • Gloomendoom
    • By Gloomendoom 21st Sep 19, 7:31 AM
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    If the OP is spotting rats then the infestation is large, there normally shy nontonal creatures, and there only about in daylight if there's a large number of them and there short of food, or they've been baited and disorientated.
    Originally posted by snowcat75
    Not always the case. Juveniles do come out in daylight and aren't that shy.

    I despise rats.... Your want them gone..... there one step away from moving indoors and now as the weather is about to turn there natural instinct will be signalling them to head into buildings... dispatch them before cold weather sets in.
    Agree with this. I'm not to bothered with them outside but if they come inside, they die. I don't bother with poison for rats and mice, I think it is a cruel death. I use spring traps which are quick and efficient.

    Unlike mice, if you kill one rat inside the house, the others are likely to take the hint and move elsewhere.
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    • keith969
    • By keith969 21st Sep 19, 11:34 AM
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    Adults come out too here. They are hardly shy. I've tried several things - but the only one that seems to work is serious rat poison, put under the shed so protecting birds etc. I've tried traps and they do not work - outside. Fortunately they do not get inside....
    For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong.
    • snowcat75
    • By snowcat75 21st Sep 19, 1:24 PM
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    Not always the case. Juveniles do come out in daylight and aren't that shy.



    Agree with this. I'm not to bothered with them outside but if they come inside, they die. I don't bother with poison for rats and mice, I think it is a cruel death. I use spring traps which are quick and efficient.

    Unlike mice, if you kill one rat inside the house, the others are likely to take the hint and move elsewhere.
    Originally posted by Gloomendoom
    And also adults but as a rule, if your seeing them during the day the population is high, I actually had a doped one around the yard last night which met its maker with a piece of 4x2 (rifle not to hand) there now coming from the fields where they have been in the summer looking for there overwinter place. I always have boxes both around the house and they yard with either Difenacoum or Brodifacoum whole wheat with aniseed attractant, spring traps are fine for localised infestations, but bait is far better for long term control as boxes can be left for months and just inspected to see if any infestation has started..... If rats are hungry there return no matter what's happened to others even seen them eating the body's of other rats.


    Mice are actually far worse harder to bait as there feed in many different areas, and able to live on much less food, spring backs, glue traps all can have there place but best of all is the 2 domestic cats which come in the house and 4 ferules , females making far better mousers than the males. generally the female house cat leaves at least 2 on the doorstep nightly.....


    Fortunately I have the bits of paperwork to allow me to do my own control. As I said its now difficult to do it on a DIY basis.
    Last edited by snowcat75; 21-09-2019 at 1:30 PM.
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 21st Sep 19, 1:31 PM
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    My rats were coming out in daylight. The "worst" thing I saw was when one dashed out from under the shed, got half way across the garden and then "leapt" in the air by over 2' and ran back across the garden. My God those things can leap on a sixpence!

    So glad I didn't see any after the first year....
    • Gloomendoom
    • By Gloomendoom 21st Sep 19, 1:35 PM
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    Just speaking from my experience.

    Killed this one and the others b*ggered off, never to return.

    Picture of a dead rat - do not look if you are of a sensitive nature.
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    • keith969
    • By keith969 21st Sep 19, 1:44 PM
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    Used to use a .22 air rifle, would kill a rat at 50 yards, sadly now do not live in an area where that is possible .
    For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong.
    • snowcat75
    • By snowcat75 21st Sep 19, 6:02 PM
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    My rats were coming out in daylight. The "worst" thing I saw was when one dashed out from under the shed, got half way across the garden and then "leapt" in the air by over 2' and ran back across the garden. My God those things can leap on a sixpence!

    So glad I didn't see any after the first year....
    Originally posted by PasturesNew
    last year we were on a demolition job at a local farm, it involved pulling out all the old grain silo system, I had 4 lads working the job on the second day we were getting ready to lift out a conveyor, 2 of the lads had one end resting on there shoulders whilst we made good the other, This huge rat ran up the conveyor cross there necks then down one guys back.... This 20 year old lad screamed like a 6 year old girl.... Not sure that's the story he told his mates in the pub though
    • J B
    • By J B 21st Sep 19, 7:56 PM
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    ... if you kill one rat inside the house, the others are likely to take the hint and move elsewhere.
    Originally posted by Gloomendoom

    and the smell may make you want to move yourself!
    Last edited by J B; 22-09-2019 at 5:08 PM. Reason: smell, not small!
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