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UKPC rejection of appeal - NTK outside POFA time-scales

Hello,

I'm the keeper of a vehicle that was issued with a windscreen PCN from UKPC back on 13th June. I appealed using the standard template provided in the newbies thread.

I got a NTK in the post dated 02/09, followed by an appeal rejection letter dated 04/09... Clearly the NTK is outside of the time-scales required under POFA, so usually I would appeal to POPLA on this basis but the NTK doesn't actually mention POFA at all. It just 'invites' me to pay the charge or provide the name of the driver.

I'm wondering whether the best thing to do is either a) simply ignore the NTK (and the POPLA code), or b) appeal via POPLA saying the NTK is not compliant with POFA? Any advice gratefully received.

Thanks

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  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 41,345 Forumite
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    b) every time. Get this killed off at POPLA, otherwise there's up to 6 years of hassle from UKPC and their henchmen.

    The NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #3 will guide you through the development of your POPLA appeal.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • The_Deep
    The_Deep Posts: 16,830 Forumite
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    Complain to your MP as UKPC are fraudsters and nine times out of ten their tickets are a scam.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11858473/Parking-firm-UKPC-admits-faking-tickets-to-fine-drivers.html

    Be sure to bring this to the attention of the judge if this gets to court.

    Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

    Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted

    Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies
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  • Fruitcake
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    The NTK doesn't mention the PoFA because said NTK is not PoFA compliant.

    Appeal to PoPLA using all the points available to you from post 3 of the NEWBIES as already advised.
    Make non-PoFA compliant NTK point 1, followed by all the other points.
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  • Ok great, thanks all - will submit the appeal then, with non-compliant NTK as my key point.

    Cheers!
  • Coupon-mad
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    Show us your draft first, as POPLA are not that good these days and some Assessors would completely fail to spot a non-POFA PCN if it slapped them in the face.
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  • Ok great thanks, I propose to appeal with the following - hoping this should be a clear win given the non-compliant NTK:

    1. A compliant Notice to Keeper was never served - no Keeper Liability can apply.

    This operator has not fulfilled the 'second condition' for keeper liability as defined in Schedule 4 and as a result, they have no lawful authority to pursue any parking charge from myself, as a registered keeper appellant. There is no discretion on this matter. If Schedule 4 mandatory documents are not served in time (or if the document omits any prescribed wording) then keeper liability simply does not apply.

    The wording in the Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 is as follows:

    ''Right to claim unpaid parking charges from keeper of vehicle:
    4(1) The creditor has the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle. (2) The right under this paragraph applies only if

    (a) the conditions specified in paragraphs 5, 6*, 11 and 12 (so far as applicable) are met;

    *Conditions that must be met for purposes of paragraph 4:
    6(1) 'The second condition is that the creditor (or a person acting for or on behalf of the creditor) - (a)has given a notice to driver in accordance with paragraph 7, followed by a notice to keeper in accordance with paragraph 8. This is re-iterated further 'If a notice to driver has been given, any subsequent notice to keeper MUST be given in accordance with paragraph 8.'

    The NTK must have been delivered to the registered keeper's address within the 'relevant period' which is highlighted as a total of 56 days beginning with the day after that on which any notice to driver was given. The notice to driver was given on 13th June 2019; the NTK is deemed served on 4th September 2019, 82 days after notice to driver was given.

    As this operator has failed to serve a NTK within the statutory timescales, they have chosen to flout the strict requirements set out in PoFA 2012 and consequently failed to meet the second condition for keeper liability. Clearly I cannot be held liable to pay this charge as the mandatory series of parking charge documents were not properly given.


    2. The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who may have been potentially liable for the charge

    In cases with a keeper appellant, yet no POFA 'keeper liability' to rely upon, POPLA must first consider whether they are confident that the Assessor knows who the driver is, based on the evidence received. No presumption can be made about liability whatsoever. A vehicle can be driven by any person (with the consent of the owner) as long as the driver is insured. There is no dispute that the driver was entitled to drive the car and I can confirm that they were, but I am exercising my right not to name that person.

    In this case, no other party apart from an evidenced driver can be told to pay. As there has been no admission regarding who was driving, and no evidence has been produced, it has been held by POPLA on numerous occasions, that a parking charge cannot be enforced against a keeper without a valid NTK.

    As the keeper of the vehicle, it is my right to choose not to name the driver, yet still not be lawfully held liable if an operator is not using or complying with Schedule 4. This applies regardless of when the first appeal was made and regardless of whether a purported 'NTK' was served or not, because the fact remains I am only appealing as the keeper and ONLY Schedule 4 of the POFA (or evidence of who was driving) can cause a keeper appellant to be deemed to be the liable party.

    The burden of proof rests with the Operator to show that (as an individual) I have personally not complied with terms in place on the land and show that I am personally liable for their parking charge. They cannot.

    Furthermore, the vital matter of full compliance with the POFA was confirmed by parking law expert barrister, Henry Greenslade, the previous POPLA Lead Adjudicator, in 2015:

    Understanding keeper liability
    'There appears to be continuing misunderstanding about Schedule 4. Provided certain conditions are strictly complied with, it provides for recovery of unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.

    There is no 'reasonable presumption' in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort. Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time. Unlike, for example, a Notice of Intended Prosecution where details of the driver of a vehicle must be supplied when requested by the police, pursuant to Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, a keeper sent a Schedule 4 notice has no legal obligation to name the driver. [...] If {POFA 2012 Schedule 4 is} not complied with then keeper liability does not generally pass.'

    Therefore, no lawful right exists to pursue unpaid parking charges from myself as keeper of the vehicle, where an operator cannot transfer the liability for the charge using the POFA.

    This exact finding was made in 6061796103 against ParkingEye in September 2016, where POPLA Assessor Carly Law found:
    ''I note the operator advises that it is not attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and so in mind, the operator continues to hold the driver responsible. As such, I must first consider whether I am confident that I know who the driver is, based on the evidence received. After considering the evidence, I am unable to confirm that the appellant is in fact the driver. As such, I must allow the appeal on the basis that the operator has failed to demonstrate that the appellant is the driver and therefore liable for the charge. As I am allowing the appeal on this basis, I do not need to consider the other grounds of appeal raised by the appellant. Accordingly, I must allow this appeal.''

    3. The signs in this car park are not prominent, clear or legible from all parking spaces and there is insufficient notice of the sum of the parking charge itself

    Will copy the text from Coupon-mad’s entry on NEWBIES…..


    4. No evidence of Landowner Authority - the operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice

    Will copy the text from Coupon-mad’s entry on NEWBIES…..
  • MistyZ
    MistyZ Posts: 1,820 Forumite
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    'No landowner Authority' from the Newbies' thread is usually fine just as it is.

    But customise the signage section. If, as used to be the case with me, you tend not to critique signage (even if it completely fails to alert you to parking T&Cs!), take a very good look at the signage in that car park either in person or via street view. Consider everything .... 'user-friendliness', compliance with standards, positioning, lighting (if relevant) .... base your critique on the points in the ready-made version.

    Ideally, take photographs or capture screenshots from street view to embed in your POPLA appeal and make reference to them in your signage section.
  • Coupon-mad
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    I would just add, in case you get a really dumb POPLA Assessor:
    The NTK must have been delivered to the registered keeper's address within the 'relevant period' which is highlighted as a total of 56 days beginning with the day after that on which any notice to driver was given. The notice to driver was given on 13th June 2019; the NTK is deemed served on 4th September 2019, 82 days after notice to driver was given. Not only is it a month too late but it also fails to include the statutory wording set out in para 8 and makes no mention of any right to seek keeper liability. It is a non-POFA PCN and POPLA will not be able to find that it has been properly given or that this keeper can be held liable.
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