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    • milkand1sugar
    • By milkand1sugar 24th May 19, 6:33 PM
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    Manager is completely incompetent
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    • 24th May 19, 6:33 PM
    Manager is completely incompetent 24th May 19 at 6:33 PM
    My team is part of several in our company and we have a particular manager who is quite high-ranking, second from the top. Me and my own line manager cannot understand how this person got this job.

    On paper, they have a solid work history, which is fair enough. But it doesn't take long for anyone to understand how unskilled and inexperienced they actually are. They're not capable of effective communication, basic management or dealing with problems, let alone the advanced responsibilities they hold such as formulating commercial strategies and coordinating our teams.

    What's worse is their aggression. They love ranting and blame games, and when it comes to problems they have little to no tolerance for any error, which is usual considering how unnecessarily convoluted our processes are now. They're quite unpredictable and disruptive, and have landed large problems in our laps to just deal with on occasion. This is fine to me because I like my job all the same it's very irritating because none of them really had to happen in the first place.

    A while back there was a scary period where they were hurt in an accident and had to take some time off. Luckily it wasn't life-threatening but it was still serious. At the same time we all drew a sigh of relief as they weren't coming in for a while. I know that sounds bad but that's how bad they are because we knew they weren't coming in to screw something up again.

    What gets me most is how unintelligent they are. They don't seem to have an "awareness" of other peoples' needs or how to handle things like abstract ideas for instance. They're so brutal with people for no reason and they definitely don't seem to offer any quality or good ideas. In fact we're not really sure WHAT they do apart from get paid to mess with people and it's unbelievable and outrageous.

    What is true is that they work hard. That I respect. And they are responsible for a few advanced admin tasks. Yet that's not really enough because only they have registered access to our database for those tasks. The experience we've had is that they clearly incompetent and just are not fit for the job and we're all wondering why how a moron got to be such a high ranking manager. And hasn't been sacked already.

    Our current speculations are:
    - Our higher management is made up of total idiots who can't employ people. I'm doubtful as we do alright at the end of the day
    - Their husband is mates with her own boss. Very unlikely though
    - They're sleeping with higher management. One person here honest to God swears on this
    - They are just mates with a few people who can pull the strings at HR. Possibility as our HR system is corrupt
    - The company cares more about relationships than its own efficiency. Possibility but we can't work out what they even bring in that aspect

    I don't know, thoughts? Also have you worked with managers who obviously are unfit to be in management positions and how did you deal with them?
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    • MovingForwards
    • By MovingForwards 24th May 19, 6:41 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 6:41 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 6:41 PM
    Thought you were talking about the place I quit in February!
    • Les79
    • By Les79 24th May 19, 7:18 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 7:18 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 7:18 PM
    I don't know, thoughts? Also have you worked with managers who obviously are unfit to be in management positions and how did you deal with them?
    Originally posted by milkand1sugar
    Sounds like you are unfit to be in the job role tbh, with an attitude like that!


    Or maybe you should speak to the top brass and ask them whether the people they hired in higher management are "idiots"?
    • elsien
    • By elsien 24th May 19, 7:25 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 7:25 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 7:25 PM
    Gossiping with your manager about someone higher up the food chain is never going to end well.

    If it's affecting you directly, raise it formally in with your manager and let them do their job to resolve it. If that doesn't work, live with it or raise a grievance or leave.

    If it's not directly affecting you, stop stirring and let everyone else resolve their own issues. If they're second in command and you're several steps down, quite simply it's not your role to deal with them unless you're willing to take the chance on making things official.
    Last edited by elsien; 24-05-2019 at 7:29 PM.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • snilloct1957
    • By snilloct1957 24th May 19, 7:32 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 7:32 PM
    Pointy-haired manager
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    • 24th May 19, 7:32 PM
    It sounds like you work in Dilbert's office...
    • milkand1sugar
    • By milkand1sugar 24th May 19, 7:51 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 7:51 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 7:51 PM
    Sounds like you are unfit to be in the job role tbh, with an attitude like that!
    Originally posted by Les79
    Since everyone's guilty of that then we should all be sacked. Everyone is *wrong apart from the manager because... they're just the manager! Ok bud. That perspective just comes across as a little cowardly.

    Gossiping with your manager about someone higher up the food chain is never going to end well.
    Originally posted by elsien
    Can I ask if you have ever had a job? I'm afraid to suggest that gossip is a fact of life in the workplace. Your tone suggests that you seem required to "nanny" and "parent". Even though it might have been your experience that others like this, everyone back here are adults who are quite comfortable to think for themselves. So cut it out.

    As explained, HR is not reliable. And there would never be a point in taking things to them as we don't understand how they got employed and still are. Common sense dictates they have some power or someone had some power and there are factors outside competence that got them the job. This is the mystery at hand which I am scouting for answers for.
    Last edited by milkand1sugar; 24-05-2019 at 7:59 PM. Reason: *incorrect word
    • elsien
    • By elsien 24th May 19, 8:10 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 8:10 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 8:10 PM
    Since everyone's guilty of that then we should all be sacked. Everyone is *wrong apart from the manager because... they're just the manager! Ok bud. That perspective just comes across as a little cowardly.


    Can I ask if you have ever had a job? I'm afraid to suggest that gossip is a fact of life in the workplace. Your tone suggests that you seem required to "nanny" and "parent". Even though it might have been your experience that others like this, everyone back here are adults who are quite comfortable to think for themselves. So cut it out.

    As explained, HR is not reliable. And there would never be a point in taking things to them as we don't understand how they got employed and still are. Common sense dictates they have some power or someone had some power and there are factors outside competence that got them the job. This is the mystery at hand which I am scouting for answers for.
    Originally posted by milkand1sugar

    Yep, you're coming across as extremely adult at present.
    You don't want to take any of the options in dealing with it, so why not drag your gossiping onto a public forum. That should help.
    Last edited by elsien; 24-05-2019 at 8:14 PM.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • Les79
    • By Les79 24th May 19, 8:26 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 8:26 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 8:26 PM
    Since everyone's guilty of that then we should all be sacked. Everyone is right apart from the manager because... they're just the manager! Ok bud. That perspective just comes across as a little cowardly.
    Originally posted by milkand1sugar

    Cowardly eh?


    I've done my time in crap jobs in the past, 10 years of them.


    Incompetent managers? TICK
    Being bullied? TICK
    Workplace rife with gossip? TICK


    I probably had the odd rant like yours here, but it all boiled down to one thing; DO SOMETHING BETTER WITH YOUR LIFE. Become one of these "unintelligent" people yourself... Or go find an employer who treats you better. You are, after all, an "adult" and, presumably, not a coward.


    The clich! 'life is unfair' is so true! Not all jobs are given on merit, and not all merit is rewarded. If you can accept that it becomes slightly easier to deal with stuff like this.


    How long did it take you to write your rant message here? 30 mins? Or how much time do you spend "gossiping" on a daily basis? Could have done a job application in that time, or looked into further education, or even chilled out with a hobby you like.


    My perspective is that of someone in a decent job, one which regularly hires mid 20s people fresh out of their PHD/masters when, at that age, I was scrubbing the McDonalds' bogs and being shouted at by 18 year old pipsqueaks for not doing it quick enough.


    There was lots of "gossiping" and slagging people off in places like that, but I always wanted better FOR ME so never engaged with such trashy thinking. If my boss is "unintelligent" then so be it, tolerate it and work on MYSELF.
    • milkand1sugar
    • By milkand1sugar 24th May 19, 9:01 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 9:01 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 9:01 PM
    Cowardly eh?
    Originally posted by Les79
    Yes.

    You don't want to take any of the options in dealing with it, so why not drag your gossiping onto a public forum. That should help.
    Originally posted by elsien
    We're all tired of their behavior, it's out of control. It's really unfair and difficult to everyone. Plus its clear that they simply don't have the skill to do what they're supposed to do. What's the options? Put up and shut up?
    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 24th May 19, 9:04 PM
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    The upshot is that your manager is an incompetent fool, but has achieved a higher ranking position within the company because they are less stupid than the people they have been employed to manage. Perfectly normal.
    • Potbellypig
    • By Potbellypig 24th May 19, 9:05 PM
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    OP - Once you realise that in life it's not what you know, it's who you know, you'll be better off.
    • Les79
    • By Les79 24th May 19, 9:07 PM
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    Yes.
    Originally posted by milkand1sugar
    At least I'm not ignorant by ignoring 99% of someone's post
    • milkand1sugar
    • By milkand1sugar 24th May 19, 9:15 PM
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    OP - Once you realise that in life it's not what you know, it's who you know, you'll be better off.
    Originally posted by Potbellypig
    For sure. Except their reputation is horrible. They've been fired at least twice and confirmed fired from their last position. Usually when you commit acts of serious abuse you go down and stay down. They just walk on it. Big salary. Company car and benefits. Cash bonuses. Insane money. You'll all be jealous. I'm too, but more like: why is this happening?

    less stupid than the people they have been employed to manage
    Originally posted by LilElvis
    Bored of the attack replies tbh
    • milkand1sugar
    • By milkand1sugar 24th May 19, 9:24 PM
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    smh at the replies this isn't a contest
    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 24th May 19, 9:27 PM
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    Bored of the attack replies tbh
    Originally posted by milkand1sugar
    Seriously? How do you think this ridiculous, gossiping guff makes you look?

    Our current speculations are:
    - Our higher management is made up of total idiots who can't employ people. I'm doubtful as we do alright at the end of the day
    - Their husband is mates with her own boss. Very unlikely though
    - They're sleeping with higher management. One person here honest to God swears on this
    - They are just mates with a few people who can pull the strings at HR. Possibility as our HR system is corrupt
    - The company cares more about relationships than its own efficiency. Possibility but we can't work out what they even bring in that aspect
    Originally posted by milkand1sugar
    • milkand1sugar
    • By milkand1sugar 24th May 19, 9:49 PM
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    Seriously? How do you think this ridiculous, gossiping guff makes you look?
    Originally posted by LilElvis
    I am ready to pay money to provide intelligent answers for your post and mine at this point since they are not forthcoming so far
    • Les79
    • By Les79 24th May 19, 10:04 PM
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    I am ready to pay money to provide intelligent answers for your post and mine at this point since they are not forthcoming so far
    Originally posted by milkand1sugar
    Bet you're going to have a right !!!!! about the "unintelligent" people on MSE on Monday morning aren't you? Tuesday if you're working in a bank...
    • deannatrois
    • By deannatrois 25th May 19, 1:48 AM
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    I've not worked for a totally incompetent manager. I have worked for managers with communication skills developed in a bog, and bullies. But one thing they had in common was being able at office politics. They knew how to say what needed to be said to those higher up than them.., and blaming people lower than them is part of that. It sounds like from what you say, there could be some justification for that.

    You won't be able to change how things happen at work, its too powerful a force.

    Your only options are to change jobs or become unemployed or join the game and be better at the office politics than they are. I'm afraid it doesn't sound like you will be able to do that right now. Stop being critical, look at what they DO do that keeps them in their job, even if you hate their guts. It must be something. In today's world, sleeping with a superior is not going to keep you in a job. That sort of thinking is just going to keep the situation going. It all sounds rather defensive on your part.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 25th May 19, 9:46 AM
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    I'm not sure what business it is of yours how this manager got the job.

    If you don't like their management style then leave.

    Presumably if they're that incompetent then their manager will soon catch on and take the necessary action
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    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 25th May 19, 12:02 PM
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    You need to identify which stakeholders are the ones that need to address the problem.
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