I may have went on a several hour drive in the dark with just sidelights on. Q about penalty points

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  • Cornucopia
    Cornucopia Posts: 16,146
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    edited 6 December 2018 at 5:25PM
    It's not a question about what is theoretically possible. It's a question of what actually happens.

    Even if we are talking deep theory here, then the requirement is for a Notice of Intended Prosecution to be served with 14 days, which would be the relevant timescale if the OP wanted to be absolutely sure that they were not being prosecuted.

    How many people are prosecuted for minor driving offences in this way (excluding the camera offences of Speeding, Red Light and Box Junction)?
  • Deanston
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    Cornucopia wrote: »
    It's not a question about what is theoretically possible. It's a question of what actually happens.

    Even if we are talking deep theory here, then the requirement is for a Notice of Intended Prosecution to be served with 14 days, which would be the relevant timescale if the OP wanted to be absolutely sure that they were not being prosecuted.


    How many people are prosecuted for minor driving offences in this way (excluding the camera offences of Speeding, Red Light and Box Junction)?

    Yet again you're wrong, there is no need for a NIP so the relevant timescale would be six months for the information to be put before a court.
  • Cornucopia
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    Deanston wrote: »
    Yet again you're wrong, there is no need for a NIP so the relevant timescale would be six months for the information to be put before a court.

    And how many cases of this format are brought?
  • Deanston
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    Cornucopia wrote: »
    And how many cases of this format are brought?

    Summary only offences without an NIP? Thousands.
  • Cornucopia
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    Deanston wrote: »
    Summary only offences without an NIP? Thousands.

    Motoring offences?
  • Deanston
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    Cornucopia wrote: »
    Motoring offences?

    Yes..........
  • Cornucopia
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    So these are offences other than:

    Section 2 (dangerous driving)
    Section 3 (careless driving/driving without reasonable consideration)
    Section 22 (leaving the vehicle in a dangerous position)
    Section 28 (dangerous cycling)
    Section 29 (careless cycling)
    Sections 35 and 36 (disobeying certain traffic signs and police signals)

    And under the Road Traffic Regulation Act:

    Sections 16, 17(4), 88(7) and 89(1) (speeding offences)

    or aiding and abetting any of the above.

    Which require a NIP.
  • Deanston
    Deanston Posts: 84 Forumite
    Cornucopia wrote: »
    So these are offences other than:

    Section 2 (dangerous driving)
    Section 3 (careless driving/driving without reasonable consideration)
    Section 22 (leaving the vehicle in a dangerous position)
    Section 28 (dangerous cycling)
    Section 29 (careless cycling)
    Sections 35 and 36 (disobeying certain traffic signs and police signals)

    And under the Road Traffic Regulation Act:

    Sections 16, 17(4), 88(7) and 89(1) (speeding offences)

    or aiding and abetting any of the above.

    Which require a NIP.

    You've got it.
  • Car_54
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    Cornucopia wrote: »
    So these are offences other than:

    Section 2 (dangerous driving)
    Section 3 (careless driving/driving without reasonable consideration)
    Section 22 (leaving the vehicle in a dangerous position)
    Section 28 (dangerous cycling)
    Section 29 (careless cycling)
    Sections 35 and 36 (disobeying certain traffic signs and police signals)

    And under the Road Traffic Regulation Act:

    Sections 16, 17(4), 88(7) and 89(1) (speeding offences)

    or aiding and abetting any of the above.

    Which require a NIP.
    Aiding and abetting is only applicable to indictable offences. Most of those above are not.
  • Deanston
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    Car_54 wrote: »
    Aiding and abetting is only applicable to indictable offences. Most of those above are not.

    Doesn't really matter though does it?

    No lights isn't indictable and doesn't need a NIP.
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