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    • pfpf
    • By pfpf 9th Sep 18, 10:14 PM
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    New to running, help me with footwear and advice please.
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    • 9th Sep 18, 10:14 PM
    New to running, help me with footwear and advice please. 9th Sep 18 at 10:14 PM
    hello and thanks for reading.
    a little background.

    Jan 2017 weighed in at 21st and inactive, today I'm at 14st 2lbs. I have been a little lower and my target is 13st 5lbs.

    2017 was spent working on the diet (thanks slimming world) with very little exercise other than walking our dog.
    2018 and I added in exercise. I now cycle around 100 miles a week, more when I can and I thoroughly enjoy it. I have a hybrid and a mountain bike and am now happy with the gear I use/wear after a bit of trial and error.

    on to the running.
    I have never run in my life, the very thought has always filled me with dread but finally on 1st sept and after accepting the cycling must have given me some fitness I attended along with some friends my 1st 5k parkrun. I had no clue as to what to expect from a performance/fitness POV.
    I ran 32.27 which I was actually thrilled with, my legs hurt like mad till about Wednesday. I ran again this week @ 31.03 with virtually no leg pain after the event.

    so, on to my questions.

    having only worn my old addidas trainers I'm now looking for something just for my running. ideally £30ish but I am very aware how much running shoes can be. I'd like to start with a cheaper pair if possible until I know i'll be sticking at it. I don't intend running more than 5k.

    i was looking at these but no knowledge what so ever. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sollomensi-Running-Sneakers-Trainers-Athletic/dp/B01IXSTO0C/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?s=shoes&ie=UTF8&qid=1536527494&sr= 1-2-spons&keywords=running%2Bshoes&th=1

    i found during each run i didn't have to stop for rests and my breathing was really good and smooth, someone told me that if i was breathing that easy i wasn't running quick enough. the problem is that although i was breathing well and felt good my legs were just so heavy, like lead weights. is there any advice regarding this issue?

    thanks for reading and hopefully i can get some useful comments.

    pfpf.
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    • elsien
    • By elsien 9th Sep 18, 10:20 PM
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    You're best off trying to find somewhere to try some.
    From experience, a "proper" running shop is no good until you're committed to running and needing to spend a bit more. They don't go that cheap.
    I found a local independent sports shop which had more entry level trainers and tried on a few pairs till I found some that felt better to wear. There was some difference even round a similar price point and the fit is always going to depend on your feet and gait. Went with a pair of New Baiance because they seemed a bit more cushioned than the others I tried. 5k was always my limit as well - got bored too quickly to run any further.
    Last edited by elsien; 09-09-2018 at 10:25 PM.
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    • spikyone
    • By spikyone 10th Sep 18, 12:13 PM
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    • 10th Sep 18, 12:13 PM
    so, on to my questions.

    having only worn my old addidas trainers I'm now looking for something just for my running. ideally £30ish but I am very aware how much running shoes can be. I'd like to start with a cheaper pair if possible until I know i'll be sticking at it. I don't intend running more than 5k.

    i was looking at these but no knowledge what so ever. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sollomensi-Running-Sneakers-Trainers-Athletic/dp/B01IXSTO0C/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?s=shoes&ie=UTF8&qid=1536527494&sr= 1-2-spons&keywords=running%2Bshoes&th=1

    i found during each run i didn't have to stop for rests and my breathing was really good and smooth, someone told me that if i was breathing that easy i wasn't running quick enough. the problem is that although i was breathing well and felt good my legs were just so heavy, like lead weights. is there any advice regarding this issue?

    thanks for reading and hopefully i can get some useful comments.

    pfpf.
    Originally posted by pfpf
    I would strongly advise not to buy a pair of running shoes without trying them on first. You could end up injuring yourself, and IMO it's just not worth it. That £30 could end up putting you off running, whereas a pair of properly fitted shoes that may be more expensive might encourage you to run more.
    There are different types of shoe depending on how your feet and legs move, so if you can, find a shop that will perform a gait analysis. Some mainstream sports shops will offer that service and are more likely to have reduced price trainers. They will probably be less thorough than a specialist shop, but at least you will have an idea of what type of shoe you need.
    As a bare minimum, use the wet foot test to get an idea what type of shoe you might need and look for some shoes of the same type, but whatever type of shoe it indicates, always make sure you try before you buy. For example, I overpronate quite a bit so wear a support/stability shoe, but I can't wear Saucony because they're the wrong shape for my feet.

    It's not surprising that your legs are giving out before your lungs if you're cycling a lot already - you probably have good cardio fitness and running uses your muscles very differently to cycling. Contrary to what you've been told, there is nothing wrong with that. Besides, who's to say what's quick enough for you? It doesn't matter how fast you got to the finish, it only matters that you achieved your (realistic) goal and enjoyed the experience. From what you've said you ticked both those boxes, in which case you were running quick enough and should feel very proud of what you've done.

    To stop your legs feeling heavy, the only thing that will really help is running more. It depends how much time you have on your hands and what you want to achieve with your running. Just from doing parkrun every week, or most weeks, you will get stronger and your legs will ache less, but that change will be slower than if you also go running during the week.
    If you're going for additional runs, I would suggest making them slower and longer so that you're not stressing your body too much. Save your speed for parkrun and focus on banking some gentle miles just to get your legs used to it, maybe aim for 5k in 35-40 minutes.
    • parking_question_chap
    • By parking_question_chap 10th Sep 18, 6:50 PM
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    Never buy running shoes without at least trying them on, preferably a little jog around the store.
    • kerri gt
    • By kerri gt 11th Sep 18, 6:29 PM
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    I saw an article / review yesterday for the Declathon branded Kalenji trainers were decent for a pair of entry running trainers. I doubt we'll be seeing Mo Farah in them but they should do while you decide if you want to keep running longer term.

    From experience of not doing so and ended up with a very painful ankle (running support needed for 2yrs and still prone to being sore if I don't check my gait), I would highly recommend trying any trainer on in store before purchasing.
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    • pfpf
    • By pfpf 14th Sep 18, 9:51 AM
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    thanks to you all. I see a pattern of advice here. now to find a store that will do a "fitting". thank you.
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    • RichardD1970
    • By RichardD1970 14th Sep 18, 8:31 PM
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    I agree try Decathlon. We started out with theirs before upping our distance and getting "proper stuff".

    If and when you do go more expensive get a proper gait analysis and try on loads of pair until you gt the right fit. Then you can often get them much cheaper online (https://www.sportsshoes.com/ are very good).

    As for leg stiffness/heaviness, dynamic stretch before running, static stretch after, also try foam rollers, although be prepared to swear lots as it f*****g hurts

    Some people also recommend lying on your back with your legs up a wall after a run but I have never tried it.

    PS. 31 mins is a really good time for just starting out.
    • Glad
    • By Glad 18th Sep 18, 8:28 PM
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    well done on your time I'm a beginner too and managing 34 mins, I run in Asics which I had for £40 from the outlet store, I agree with others that you need to try them on, I'm a size larger than I am in shoes

    my running coach says that when starting out just choose a pair that fits, are comfy and suit the terrain
    Last edited by Glad; 19-09-2018 at 9:12 PM.
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    • indesisiv
    • By indesisiv 19th Sep 18, 9:14 PM
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    my running coach says that when starting out just choose a pair that fits, are comfy and suit the terrain
    Originally posted by Glad
    Top advice this and it doesn't just hold to starting out! Gait analysis in a shop are largely pointless as you can't tell anything about how the entire body is working by just looking at the foot.
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    • scrappy doo1
    • By scrappy doo1 21st Sep 18, 3:22 PM
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    I have always bought Asics trainers for running they are very comfortable
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 21st Sep 18, 3:27 PM
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    I went to Go Outdoors, and got the most comfortable pair in my size, then found another pair of much much fancier running shoes barely worn in a charity shop.
    Both I tried on, both I required to be comfortable stood, walking & running.

    You are already running a load further & lost more weight than I so Blinking Well Done & try 'em on First!
    • pfpf
    • By pfpf 30th Oct 18, 9:16 PM
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    I saw an article / review yesterday for the Declathon branded Kalenji trainers were decent for a pair of entry running trainers.before purchasing.
    Originally posted by kerri gt
    just a quick update for anyone remotely interested. ended up getting a pair of these and they have been doing me very well. haven't missed a PR since starting and even put in some extra midweek runs.

    PR PB down to 25:13 which I still have to pinch myself about bearing in mind my OP.

    thanks everyone.
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    • carolinerunner
    • By carolinerunner 8th Nov 18, 10:46 PM
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    Well done pfpf!! It's great that you're doing it - the more you do, the more at ease you will feel with it all. A running club may be an idea for a bit more advice, support and camaraderie. There's bound to be one where you live. Then there are loads of other races you can enter... and so it goes on! No need to run super-fast or super-far, I find running every other day for about 35-40 minutes keeps my weight stable and I don't get aches after running. Find your 'enough and not too much' level and try to stay somewhere near that. And vary your runs so you don't get bored, new locations, different terrain, alone/with company etc. You'll be running happily when you're 99!
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    • wazza99
    • By wazza99 9th Nov 18, 8:11 AM
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    Big Asics fan myself, luckily we have an outlet near us where you can get a decent pair for £50 and often around £30, never found another brand as comfy but they do seem to wear the soles quickly. Went for a look at the Decathlon ones but wasn't impressed and tbh no cheaper than Asics.
    • dont_use_vistaprint
    • By dont_use_vistaprint 9th Nov 18, 9:16 AM
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    Well done on your awesome progress , you 5k times for a new runner are great, Iv'e no doubt you will running in 24-25mins before too long.

    On the shoes, if you think you will continue to be a heavy runner - like me 13/14st you need good support , well made and not light / performance shoes, so realistically you need to be looking £50 upwards min. You will feel the difference when you put on good shoes and be motivated to run more.

    Asics Gel Pulse if its smooth and you road run, or maybe a trail shoe if the park run is not smooth and you run off road between park runs.

    Regarding the legs, get some 100m hill sprints and heavy squats into your training. Hit the free weights and bodyweights - squats, deadlifts, presses, dips and pull-ups do wonders for overall fitness, strength, endurance, stamina...forget those silly machines in gyms,waste of time.
    Last edited by dont_use_vistaprint; 09-11-2018 at 9:19 AM.
    • dont_use_vistaprint
    • By dont_use_vistaprint 9th Nov 18, 9:22 AM
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    Big Asics fan myself, luckily we have an outlet near us where you can get a decent pair for £50 and often around £30, never found another brand as comfy but they do seem to wear the soles quickly. Went for a look at the Decathlon ones but wasn't impressed and tbh no cheaper than Asics.
    Originally posted by wazza99
    I love ASICS, when the Pulse 6 or 7 were going to end of line, I bought 3 pairs online, lasted about 2 years. They do wear on rough but are designed for sealed roads. If I cant get ASICS I use Adidas and for fell running Soloman, the only 3 brands I use
    • wazza99
    • By wazza99 9th Nov 18, 4:05 PM
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    I love ASICS, when the Pulse 6 or 7 were going to end of line, I bought 3 pairs online, lasted about 2 years. They do wear on rough but are designed for sealed roads. If I cant get ASICS I use Adidas and for fell running Soloman, the only 3 brands I use
    Originally posted by dont_use_vistaprint
    Can't use Adidas myself, always find them to slim fitting, perhaps your right on the sealed roads, as a lot of my runs do use towpaths/gravel, i find the cushioning goes after about 3-4 months anyway, at £50(max) a pair on average i really dont mind after all its my hobby and £10-£15 a month is all i ever spend, not much outlay in running :-) running in Asics GT2000's atm only cost £37..

    Happy running all !!!
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 9th Nov 18, 6:29 PM
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    ASICS rule as far as I'm concerned!


    OP - as you progress you may want to consider whether you need more specialist shoes. I've been running for forty years (very tiring!) but I had to give up for several months owing to really bad shin splints and knee pain. The problem is that my feet are totally flat and I over-pronate really badly. This also throws my hips and knees out of alignment. (Interestingly my brother has the exact opposite problem and is an extreme supinator).


    I tried to remedy this with support/motion control shoes, but it didn't work. Ten years ago I visited a podiatrist and he prescribed orthotics to put in neutral/cushioned shoes. I never suffered from shin splints or knee pain again.


    By the way - congratulations on your progress. Your improvement is a real achievement!
    • veryintrigued
    • By veryintrigued 11th Nov 18, 4:10 PM
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    A decent running shop will ask you to take your old trainers too so they can see where and if you pronate by looking at the wear on your shoe as well as gait and biomechanics.

    Getting fitted ASAP is the key to selecting the right shoe for you.

    I like a local running store - genuine keen and patient runners who will sort you out whether you're a newbie or experienced.

    You're paying for good advice which will help to injury proof you and you can then use to buy the same trainers possibly cheaper online later after you've worn the initial pair to death Whilst keeping contact with said store so they can track wear and see if these are working for you.

    Independents for me all the way - you been successful means they'll be successful.

    Happy running.
    Last edited by veryintrigued; 11-11-2018 at 4:13 PM.
    • katteegord
    • By katteegord 11th Nov 18, 6:44 PM
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    Never buy running shoes without at least trying them on, preferably a little jog around the store.



    Almost agree , always try 10 minutes at least
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