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    • nicetomeetyou
    • By nicetomeetyou 17th Jun 19, 5:53 PM
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    what circumstances can you get high rate PIP mobility
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    • 17th Jun 19, 5:53 PM
    what circumstances can you get high rate PIP mobility 17th Jun 19 at 5:53 PM
    if you have mental health issues? If a person becomes aggressive in public because of overwhelming fear/threat when psychotic and must be accompanied by trained care staff (becomes unwell 2/3 times a year) but when well doesn't need much support to access the community does that still entitle a award for high rate PIP? It is noted that the person has severe social anxiety especially around groups of teenagers and has been know to get off bus at earlier stops to avoid groups getting lost, this is well documented in care plans.. Does that warrant high rate mobility?
    Last edited by nicetomeetyou; 17-06-2019 at 5:55 PM.
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    • calcotti
    • By calcotti 17th Jun 19, 6:25 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 6:25 PM
    You need to score at least 12 points from these descriptors:

    1. Planning and following journeys
    a. Can plan and follow the route of a journey unaided. 0 points
    b. Needs prompting to be able to undertake any journey to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 4 points
    c. Cannot plan the route of a journey. 8 points
    d. Cannot follow the route of an unfamiliar journey without another person, assistance dog or orientation aid. 10 points
    e. Cannot undertake any journey because it would cause overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 10 points
    f. Cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, an assistance dog or an orientation aid. 12 points

    2. Moving around
    a. Can stand and then move more than 200 metres, either aided or unaided. 0 points
    b. Can stand and then move more than 50 metres but no more than 200 metres, either aided or unaided. 4 points
    c. Can stand and then move unaided more than 20 metres but no more than 50 metres. 8 points
    d. Can stand and then move using an aid or appliance more than 20 metres but no more than 50 metres. 10 points
    e. Can stand and then move more than 1 metre but no more than 20 metres, either aided or unaided. 12 points
    f. Cannot, either aided or unaided, (i) stand; or (ii) move more than 1 metre. 12 points

    In each of the two categories above the descriptor that applies gives the number of points for that category. Add the two numbers together, if more than 12 high rate mobility applies.

    The assessment is based on what applies for more than half the time so someone who is well most of the time will not score any points.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 17th Jun 19, 7:56 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 7:56 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 7:56 PM
    if you have mental health issues? If a person becomes aggressive in public because of overwhelming fear/threat when psychotic and must be accompanied by trained care staff (becomes unwell 2/3 times a year) but when well doesn't need much support to access the community does that still entitle a award for high rate PIP? It is noted that the person has severe social anxiety especially around groups of teenagers and has been know to get off bus at earlier stops to avoid groups getting lost, this is well documented in care plans.. Does that warrant high rate mobility?
    Originally posted by nicetomeetyou
    Based on that then most likely not.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#mobility-activities
    • venison
    • By venison 17th Jun 19, 8:12 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 8:12 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 8:12 PM
    If it only happens 2/3 times a year then I'm afraid that isn't 50% of the time.
    If you are not part of the solution then you must be part of the problem.
    • nicetomeetyou
    • By nicetomeetyou 17th Jun 19, 8:24 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 8:24 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 8:24 PM
    Only happens 2/3 times a year has have extensive input from community nursing and paid support workers to remain in the community. Was told don't need to attend face-to-face assessment but they wanted to know about aggressiveness in the community and what do staff do to safeguard public and person, was told when delusional is never unsupported in the community.
    • nicetomeetyou
    • By nicetomeetyou 17th Jun 19, 10:20 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 10:20 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 10:20 PM
    Thank you Poppy, that site is very useful.

    I was a talking about me when I made these posts.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 17th Jun 19, 10:24 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 10:24 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 10:24 PM
    Once the report is returned to DWP you can ring to request a copy, this will give you some idea what the decision is likely to be because they mostly go with the report.



    You'll still have to wait for a decision but once it's made if you're not happy then you have 1 month from that date to request the MR.
    • nicetomeetyou
    • By nicetomeetyou 17th Jun 19, 10:30 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 10:30 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 10:30 PM
    Once the report is returned to DWP you can ring to request a copy, this will give you some idea what the decision is likely to be because they mostly go with the report.
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    Originally posted by poppy12345
    I won't be able to get the report as I have a county council appointee and he won't let me have it sent to me anyway.

    Can I ask, if they've made a face-to-face decision do they normally award standard rate care PIP or have they come to a decision to award a highe awardr as they have enough evidence for a higher awarder so they don't need an assessment?
    Last edited by nicetomeetyou; 17-06-2019 at 10:32 PM.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 17th Jun 19, 10:39 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 10:39 PM
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    • 17th Jun 19, 10:39 PM

    Can I ask, if they've made a face-to-face decision do they normally award standard rate care PIP or have they come to a decision to award a highe awardr as they have enough evidence for a higher awarder so they don't need an assessment?
    Originally posted by nicetomeetyou
    That's impossible to answer that question. No one could possible guess what the decision is likely to be. I'm afraid you'll need to wait for the decision letter.
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