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FREE ATTRACTIONS

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WEATHER

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SHOPPING

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SHOWS

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FINE DINING

0.72% • 1 votes

BUFFETS

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WEATHER

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CASINOS

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VALUE FOR MONEY

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HOTELS

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    • photome
    • By photome 31st Dec 11, 9:08 AM
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    Las Vegas guide and MSE thread 2012
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    Las Vegas guide and MSE thread 2012 31st Dec 11 at 9:08 AM
    LAS VEGAS

    .. is not like other places you might have been, where the Hotels are near to the attractions . in Vegas the Hotels are the attractions. most have a huge casino attached , but if you think thats all there is to the place , you are sorely mistaken



    This page cannot hope to cover everything , but hopefully should point you towards some good money saving tips
    How to get there



    Las Vegas is 5235 miles from London , with flight times in the region of 10 hours +

    you could book a package from pretty much any online or high street travel agent that would include flights and hotels. however this is a money saving site so we try to beat those prices by booking things separately .Thats not to say a package deal might not be a cheaper option . it's easy to work out if a deal you have been quoted is value for money . If the price of the package (X) is more than the price of the flight via the Airline (A) + the Price of the Resort ( or similar quality resort) listed in the deal links below (B) then why not save money and book things separately .

    so please before you post the question " is this a good deal ? " please work out the following is X>A+B ? . if you are booking in advance there might not be a deal for your hotel yet , but you should be able to get a reasonable idea of prices by looking at current deals, but be sure to factor in any holidays / sporting events / big conventions ect.

    only three airlines at the time of writing operate direct flights to Las Vegas . British Airways , Virgin and Thomas Cook


    Virgin fly everyday from Gatwick airport and twice weekly fromManchester from 2011 .however be warned this flight is poor quality IMO. the planes used (747's) are old , with cramped uncomfortable seats arranged in a bad configuration ,

    UPDATE
    Virgin Atlantic is to refurbish its fleet at Gatwick with new economy and premium seats and an updated entertainment system.
    The £100 million refit, which also includes its Boeing 747‑400 aircraft operating out of Manchester, is due to be completed by October 2012.
    The premium economy cabin will feature leather seats with a 38-inch pitch, dual-position footrest, lumbar support and adjustable headrest with wings.
    The newly fitted aircraft will also include the IFE touchscreen entertainment system, which allows users to watch a film at the same time as following the moving map on the handset.

    Extra leg room seats - if you would like more leg roomyou can purchase exit row seats at Gatwick airport on selected flights on the day of travel from between £50 and £75 one way depending on the route. Alternatively Virgin Atlantic is creating a number of Economy seats on its Gatwick fleet of aircraft with a larger seat pitch of 34 inches which will also be available to purchase at check in for only £30 one way.

    Upgrade at the airport - if you want to travel with more space and luxury why not upgrade at the airport to Premium Economy. Depending on your economy ticket type an upgrade can be purchased on the day of departure at the airport, prices start from £149 one way. Premium Economy offers passengers a leather seat with a seat pitch of 38 inches. Passengers travelling in Premium Economy benefit from many dedicated services including a dedicated check in, cabin crew and meal service along with priority boarding and luggage.

    Make sure you take the Quidco cashback available if you book with Virgin

    Thomas cook fly 2 times a week from Manchester. but only in the summer

    (a note about Thomas Cook flights , the baggage allowance is a very poor 15kg ( upgradeable to 20kg) , and some flights in June + July could see your flight stopping off at Belfast or Glasgow to pick passengers up , . prices for these flights used to get quite low when they used to fly before May , and you booked late .TIP: try searching for a holiday on the TC site , you get a option without hotel added on .

    Feedback regarding new British Airways direct flight .
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2174765&page=252


    should you consider flying indirect there are many choices available , and far too many to cover here, but please be sure you know what you are letting yourself in for . flying times direct are 10 hours plus . you can probably add a few hours on top of that flying indirect .

    Getting a good fare is not straightforward . Factors that can see you getting that good fare are
    Flexibility
    be prepared to travel mid week not at the weekends like everyone else.
    Preparation
    look into you flight upto 11 months before you fly if you can.
    Time of year
    most Brits like to take holidays June till September .
    Research
    asking advice to regular posters on this site .
    Airline Sales and Offers
    airlines know when people start thinking about booking trips , keeping very regular tabs on the airlines websites for sales and fare reductions is a good idea. also some airlines offer reduced fares for frequent flyer's and members of there flying clubs.MSE members have found good fares by booking before Xmas for the following year , when Xmas is over lots of people start planning their holidays.
    Risk
    great fares can be had if you a prepared to wait till very close to your chosen dates with My travel .

    before booking you should check that you qualify for entry to the USA under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) . Also from January 2009 you will need to obtain a ESTA ( Electronic System for Travel Authorization ) to board a flight to the USA . you can find info on ESTA here . you can apply for one HERE
    TIP: Print off your ESTA approval and/or write your ESTA number in your Passport

    Dont forget insurance!

    ]http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/insurance/cheap-travel-insurance

    Where to stay

    The Strip is where most visitors tend to stay , a few casinos worth staying at are slightly off strip and usually have a free shuttle bus to and from the strip.the other main area is called Downtown, where the standard of accommodation is lower ( and cheaper ) than most of the strip.

    Great site for lots of hotel pics including room pics and reviews

    http://www.oyster.com/las-vegas/hotels/#


    if your a first time visitor you really should try to stay on the strip if your budget allows . you can then check out the other areas to see if you would consider them on a return visit.




    A common posted question on the old Las Vegas thread was "where is nice but reasonably priced ". It is a hard question to answer. none of the main strip hotels are likely to make it on to a " Hotels from Hell" show on ITV, but you do get what you pay for. a good starting place is to look at the following link

    http://www.vegas.com/resorts/

    anything with a Four star rating is unlikely to displease the Vast majority of people . but a fair few people will probably be happy with something in the Three star bracket and consider the hotel to be nice.



    A word of warning about using Tripadvisor to pick your hotel. there are nearly 300 hotels reviewed on the site meaning good hotels can end up way down the list in the 30's 40's and below . Also the site lists hotels that are in the Las Vegas area , but no where near the strip. South point for example is listed as 8th best reviewed hotel , and is on Las Vegas Boulevard but it is about a 15 min car ride to the heart of strip and is not walkable in any circumstances .

    The Hotels on the strip to be most wary about are unsurprisingly the cheapest. They are Circus Circus , The Stratosphere , The Rivera , The IP , Excalibur and,Hooters . post for some advice before booking

    There is no set price for the majority of hotel rooms . it's a myth that rooms are given away for next to nothing. rooms are priced on a supply and demand basis . if the hotel is selling rooms at a high price why discount? but if they are not then there is no money to be made from empty rooms.



    prices for your hotel room can vary day to day , let alone week to week. Normal Friday and Saturday night prices are always more expensive than normal weekday prices ( upto 3 times as expensive is not unusual) . other things that can have a big impact on the price you pay to stay at your preferred location are.

    Big sporting events
    Super bowl weekend in January for example or the Rodeo finals at the start of December, March Madness basketball which starts on the 15th in 2011.. also Big Boxing matches (beware the fight set for May 1st 13th 2010)

    Large Conventions
    Events like the The Consumer electronics show , can have 150,000 attending . here is a calendar to try to avoid large convention dates http://www.lasvegastourism.com/conventions_jan.htm

    National and Public Holidays 2012

    January 2New Years Day
    January 16Martin Luther King Day
    February 2Groundhog Day
    February 20Presidents Day
    April 16Emancipation Day
    May 13Mothers Day
    May 28Memorial Day
    June 17Fathers Day
    July 4Independence Day
    September 3Labor Day
    October 8Columbus Day
    November 12Veterans Day
    November 22Thanksgiving Day
    November 23Thanksgiving
    December 25Christmas Day

    also special events like Halloween etc can push prices up.



    Popular times
    a lot of this has to do with the weather . July and August are often disliked because of the intense heat. January and December are also quite months ( pools often close down in October till March ) . That said Las Vegas is a year round destination. Many consider the best months to visit as April, May , Sept , and October . Prices for UK flights in traditional UK holiday months of June to Early Sept always seem to much more expensive than April or May ( excluding bank holidays and Easter of course) , yet April and May are better times to visit . By not going in the Traditional UK holiday season , you could save a considerable amount of money on your flight, meaning more money to spend on your hotel.

    finding a good deal on a room usually only requires a small amount of searching. Booking through the Hotels direct has BIG advantages . first you are cutting out the middleman . second all of the hotels operate the same booking policy, that you only need to pay your first nights rate as a deposit and the deposit is 100% refundable if you cancel upto 72 hours before you stay. this is generally the rule with all hotel offers but there are exceptions . Some offers have recently have been NO REFUND offers and The Rivera charges a small cancellation fee at the time of writing. Be sure to check all terms and Conditions before you book to be sure .Offers can become available any time , but generally start appearing 12 weeks before your dates


    There are several websites that list offers and discounts for hotels. remember these sites simply list the deals that Casinos release so there is no need for a flashy website.Unless stated the offers usually take you to a direct booking with the Casino

    http://www.vegas-promotions.com/
    http://www.vegashotelhunt.com/
    http://casinotripreports.com/smf/index.php?topic=57.0
    http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/for...splay.php?f=13
    http://www.openvegas.com/vegas/forum...splay.php?f=17
    http://www.vegashotelspecial.com/
    http://www.harrahs.com/hot-deals/
    http://www.vegas-hotels-online.com/
    http://casinotripreports.com/smf/ind...3e&topic=57.90
    http://www.smartervegas.com/
    http://www.earlyvegas.com/promo_codes.html
    http://www.vegasuncovered.com/pages/special_offers.htm
    http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/trav...6400/?start=40
    http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hotel...promos-35.html

    Also some hotels now have Facebook pages , that sometimes have deals on . see post 4

    please be careful about posting on these boards though as some are for the posting of deals only , not for questions on deals etc.


    also give the 3rd party sites a try , people sometimes get good prices .


    http://www.atlaschoice.com/new/
    http://www.netflights.com/
    http://www.cityandshow.com/
    http://www.travelrepublic.co.uk/
    http://www.hotels.com/


    don't forget Quidco if you use these


    some deals say they require you to be a member of the Players club to book. usually if you can book it without a players club ID, then they won't generally ask for it at check in.
    FAQ number 4 on the Fatwallet page (http://www.fatwallet.com/t/63/704925/10193203#m10193203) covers this subject well. but the important thing is NOT to bombard the hotel with phone calls and e mails about honoring the booking without a players club card. otherwise they might pull the offer ect ( or tip them off to very thing you are concerned about) . people on this thread have done these type of bookings without being signed up members .. no problem .you can of course join the club before checking in if you want . personally i would not worry , but don't be tempted to call the hotel if you book it and you are worried

    when you have found and booked a hotel , it's a good idea to keep checking the new offers as they come in on the various threads, as you might find a better deal for the same dates . If the better offer is for the same hotel , you can probably get the hotel to match the better price under your existing booking by calling them up ( don't forget to use the MSE International call checker !!) . Really good offers may not hang around if there is a lot of interest , so get in early if you see a new one thats a great deal .

    Moving hotels is also a good idea if you find great deals for different blocks of nights , and is not as much hassle as you might think.


    A recent and unwelcome addition to the cost of some hotels is the Resort Fee . a mandatory amount per room per night that covers the cost of things like Wi-fi or Gym access . full list of which hotels charge what and what for here . be sure too factor in this cost if applicable .
    Tip: Casino Gym's are something that are generally not free , so if you plan on making use of the Gym most days the resort fee might work out better value .

    Some people ask if it is better to find a hotel when you arrive , this is most defiantly not a good idea. besides the fact that you need to have your 1st nights stay booked up , to enter the USA under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) , simply showing up at a casino without a booking will almost certainly mean you being charged "Rack Rate " for a room , which is pretty much the most you can end up paying.

    Arrival


    McCarren Airport is right next to the strip . Shuttle Buses operate to all the main casinos . A Taxi is by far the most popular way to get to your hotel though. you can find a good estimate of the fare to your Hotel here http://vegas.taxiwiz.com/?lang=en
    TIP: instruct the Airport taxi driver to NOT take the tunnel



    Check in
    you can check in from the airport at some Casinos.
    when you check in the clerk will will assign you a room . some rooms of the same class are more desirable than others. Strip Views are always more sought after , as are corner rooms or rooms overlooking a casino attraction ( the Bellagio fountains for example) . also try to get a room that is not situated directly next to a elevator.you should try to do as much research on the rooms within your casino as possible to find out what to ask for
    Cash is King is Las Vegas.. the following sites give advice on how to try and obtain a upgrade or a better positioned room by tipping the check in clerk using The $20 Trick.This works more often than not , but you may find it harder to get a upgrade by doing this if you have a long stay, or if the hotel is fully booked .Also don't expect to get a Penthouse suite from a standard room booking , you will probably only get one or two steps up the luxury ladder

    http://www.frontdesktip.com/

    http://www.thetwentydollartrick.com/

    http://vegasuncovered.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/las-vegas-20-free-room-upgrade-trick/
    note: The MGM Grand is known to be a difficult place to use the $20 trick

    regardless of if you tip of not , if your not happy with the room , complain and get one you are happy with.
    Last edited by photome; 30-08-2012 at 7:06 AM.
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    • photome
    • By photome 31st Dec 11, 1:27 PM
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    Thanks to all suggestions for change, I will have a look and amend when I have more time, off to football shortly
    • tarkytarks
    • By tarkytarks 31st Dec 11, 7:16 PM
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    Hi we're in vegas at the mo so I thought I'd reply to the chap on the end of the 2011 thread asking about going to the GC as we went to the south rim on Thursday/Friday. It was a 5 hour drive but we stopped a couple of times - yes it's quite a boring drive but the satalite radio and lots of podcasts kept us entertained en route. We left vegas about 10am and got there by 4pm (this included an hour stopped for some lunch and a couple of other times). We stayed at the holiday inn express in the Grand Canyon Village south (Tuyason) which was about 10/15 min drive to the rim of the park. We went into the national park once we got there - about 30 mins before sunset so had time for daylight photos as well as ones of the sun setting. We ate at Sophies Mexican Kitchen in the village on the way back out to the hotel afterwards. I was still pretty tired from the flight on Wednesday so we passed out asleep by 9pm on Thursday! Then we were up and back in first thing the next morning for another drive around / explore before we headed back to Vegas. The drive going back felt much more boring than going there - at least it was all new scenery etc on the way

    It's worth doing in my opinion - unless you are regular holidayers in this part of the US then when else are you likely to get the opportunity to see the Grand Canyon?
  • carlw
    Hi we're in vegas at the mo so I thought I'd reply to the chap on the end of the 2011 thread asking about going to the GC as we went to the south rim on Thursday/Friday. It was a 5 hour drive but we stopped a couple of times - yes it's quite a boring drive but the satalite radio and lots of podcasts kept us entertained en route. We left vegas about 10am and got there by 4pm (this included an hour stopped for some lunch and a couple of other times). We stayed at the holiday inn express in the Grand Canyon Village south (Tuyason) which was about 10/15 min drive to the rim of the park. We went into the national park once we got there - about 30 mins before sunset so had time for daylight photos as well as ones of the sun setting. We ate at Sophies Mexican Kitchen in the village on the way back out to the hotel afterwards. I was still pretty tired from the flight on Wednesday so we passed out asleep by 9pm on Thursday! Then we were up and back in first thing the next morning for another drive around / explore before we headed back to Vegas. The drive going back felt much more boring than going there - at least it was all new scenery etc on the way

    It's worth doing in my opinion - unless you are regular holidayers in this part of the US then when else are you likely to get the opportunity to see the Grand Canyon?
    Originally posted by tarkytarks
    Thanks, ive arranged car hire & a hotel for 1 night. Were staying at The Best Western Squire Inn, which got good reviews on Trip advisor. I beleive thats near the hotel you stayed in. I am planning on driving over Hoover Dam on the way there, and taking the slightly longer route down The Old Route 66. Ive read its nothing special, but still like the romance of driving Route 66. Ill take the quicker route back. What was the weather like, ive read snow is common Dec/Jan?

    Carl
  • pattyb
    photome thankyou for taking on the 2012 thread, i love hearing all the news and great information on this site, will be going back to vegas in 2 weeks and check in everyday for ideas and other peoples experiences. Have a great new year and thanks again
  • carlw
    Hi we're in vegas at the mo so I thought I'd reply to the chap on the end of the 2011 thread asking about going to the GC as we went to the south rim on Thursday/Friday. It was a 5 hour drive but we stopped a couple of times - yes it's quite a boring drive but the satalite radio and lots of podcasts kept us entertained en route. We left vegas about 10am and got there by 4pm (this included an hour stopped for some lunch and a couple of other times). We stayed at the holiday inn express in the Grand Canyon Village south (Tuyason) which was about 10/15 min drive to the rim of the park. We went into the national park once we got there - about 30 mins before sunset so had time for daylight photos as well as ones of the sun setting. We ate at Sophies Mexican Kitchen in the village on the way back out to the hotel afterwards. I was still pretty tired from the flight on Wednesday so we passed out asleep by 9pm on Thursday! Then we were up and back in first thing the next morning for another drive around / explore before we headed back to Vegas. The drive going back felt much more boring than going there - at least it was all new scenery etc on the way

    It's worth doing in my opinion - unless you are regular holidayers in this part of the US then when else are you likely to get the opportunity to see the Grand Canyon?
    Originally posted by tarkytarks
    Also what is the rough cost of fuel? Online it seems to suggest its charged per gallon (4.5 litres) about $3.40. Thats about £0.50 a litre isnt it? Can that be right?

    Thanks

    Carl
    • hcb42
    • By hcb42 31st Dec 11, 8:44 PM
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    $3.40 a gallon seems reasonable, just back in the last 24 hours, and visited the GC.

    We were filling the car up for well under $40...compared to £75 for our car in UK...
    • ferf1223
    • By ferf1223 31st Dec 11, 8:51 PM
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    http://www.vegasgasprices.com/

    If you really want to shop around.

    One thing to remember that always annoys me - you cannot pay at the pump with a UK credit card most places in Vegas as you have to enter the billing zip code at the pump for security purposes...so you have to pre-pay inside, so you have to guess how much you want...if you spend less than you paid you can go in and get the balance back, but it's a faff. I think I looked before an most of the intermediate cars we rent have about 17 - 18 gallon tanks.

    Also, when we have checked (most recently a few days ago) we found that renting with CH3000 and chosing the option that includes a tank of fuel (so you can return the car empty) and additional drivers seems to work out to be a good deal - additional cost on the rental was working out less than an 18-gallon tank of fuel once converted down.
    Does remembering a time that a certain degree of personal responsibility was more or less standard means that I am officially old?
  • Spursman180
    Also what is the rough cost of fuel? Online it seems to suggest its charged per gallon (4.5 litres) about $3.40. Thats about £0.50 a litre isnt it? Can that be right?

    Thanks

    Carl
    Originally posted by carlw
    Don't forget a US gallon is only 80% of an imperial gallon.
    • Stageshoot
    • By Stageshoot 31st Dec 11, 9:57 PM
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    http://www.vegasgasprices.com/

    If you really want to shop around.

    One thing to remember that always annoys me - you cannot pay at the pump with a UK credit card most places in Vegas as you have to enter the billing zip code at the pump for security purposes.
    Originally posted by ferf1223
    00000 as a ZIP Works fine at Pay At The Pump for UK Credit Cards in the US
    Over 100k miles of Electric Motoring and rising,
  • carlw
    Don't forget a US gallon is only 80% of an imperial gallon.
    Originally posted by Spursman180
    thanks i didnt know that, so its about £0.58 thats still really cheap.

    Thanks

    Carl
    • ferf1223
    • By ferf1223 31st Dec 11, 10:26 PM
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    00000 as a ZIP Works fine at Pay At The Pump for UK Credit Cards in the US
    Originally posted by VickyHurn
    really?! that's awesome - will try that next time.
    Does remembering a time that a certain degree of personal responsibility was more or less standard means that I am officially old?
    • hcb42
    • By hcb42 31st Dec 11, 10:29 PM
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    I can confirm 90210 also works.

    the power of television.
    • stoneman
    • By stoneman 1st Jan 12, 1:37 AM
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    Just getting ready to go out tonite for NYE in Vegas. Weather has really played ball, nice sunny and quite warm today and set to be above average tonite. Staying at Carriage House so going to walk up, probably come back here and watch all the fireworks from the comfort of the car park.
    Looking forward to going out for our run about 8am tomorrow and seeing if the streets are littered with drunks. Went to Belagio last night and not one CW in site, I mean not even at the tables. Disgusting.
    The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.
    • Froggitt
    • By Froggitt 1st Jan 12, 9:42 AM
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    Also, when we have checked (most recently a few days ago) we found that renting with CH3000 and chosing the option that includes a tank of fuel (so you can return the car empty) and additional drivers seems to work out to be a good deal - additional cost on the rental was working out less than an 18-gallon tank of fuel once converted down.
    Originally posted by ferf1223
    Also, if youre doing a lot of driving, do say 2 x 4 day rentals rather than one 8 day rental......you get a full tank with each!!!
    illegitimi non carborundum
    • bubble113
    • By bubble113 1st Jan 12, 11:18 AM
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    Happy New Year to you all!

    Thanks Photome for the 2012 thread.

    Was hoping to visit in March and August this year but due to unforseen circumstances can only do August but still very happy to be able to go!

    I like to go direct from Manchester so very limited to airline choice (TC nd VA), Virgin fly on days that suit me better so was going to wait for sale but ended up booking just before Xmas.

    Flight was approx 900pp economy (sorry no pound sign) so tried miles+money and it brought it down to 493+2000 miles pp Total of 1900 +8000 miles for 3 adults+1child. Booked it, only 222 days to go!
    Last edited by bubble113; 01-01-2012 at 11:21 AM.
    • Froggitt
    • By Froggitt 1st Jan 12, 11:40 AM
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    What was the weather like, ive read snow is common Dec/Jan?

    Carl
    Originally posted by carlw
    One of my fave photos.......Buddhist monks playing snowballs in the Grand Canyon National Park, in sandals, brown sackcloth robes etc

    illegitimi non carborundum
    • ferf1223
    • By ferf1223 1st Jan 12, 1:00 PM
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    I can confirm 90210 also works.

    the power of television.
    Originally posted by hcb42
    Huh. I really had no idea...I guess because when I lived in the US I used my actual zip code...I just assumed that it had to match the billing details on the card...thinking back it seems like years and years ago I did try my old US zip code with my UK card and it didn't work so I thought that was that. Will definately give it a try again next time!
    Does remembering a time that a certain degree of personal responsibility was more or less standard means that I am officially old?
    • hcb42
    • By hcb42 1st Jan 12, 2:34 PM
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    Huh. I really had no idea...I guess because when I lived in the US I used my actual zip code...I just assumed that it had to match the billing details on the card...thinking back it seems like years and years ago I did try my old US zip code with my UK card and it didn't work so I thought that was that. Will definately give it a try again next time!
    Originally posted by ferf1223
    We had assumed that too, we were down to no fuel and 20 miles to go, late at night, back to Flagstaff, really thought we were going to run out, hubby had given up at first petrol station, which was unmanned. At next one we tried that et voila!



    ...
    And I can confirm that at 7000 feet the snow is currently packed near Grand Canyon! And the cold air takes your breath away. I had left a bottle with a few oz of water in it in the car overnight, had an ice pop in the morning (Got back to UK on 30th Dec)
    • adamg
    • By adamg 1st Jan 12, 4:08 PM
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    Just won £2000 on william hill online casino! what a start to the new year now do i book vegas or save for my wedding??
    Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature. If you’re not sure why please read the forum rules or email the forum team if you’re still unsure - MSE ForumTeam
  • Spursman180
    Just won £2000 on william hill online casino! what a start to the new year now do i book vegas or save for my wedding??
    Originally posted by adamg
    Great start to the year, marry the girl while your lucks in.
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