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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 19th Nov 19, 7:44 AM
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    Battery Electric Vehicle News Thread
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    • 19th Nov 19, 7:44 AM
    Battery Electric Vehicle News Thread 19th Nov 19 at 7:44 AM
    I thought a more specific thread/title might be useful for posting news on BEV's (and EV's in general), given that we have threads to discuss the minutia about EV ownership, but perhaps a thread just for the news might be useful.

    Disclaimer from the start, BEV news can easily become Tesla heavy, so posts, especially mine, might appear a bit 'fanboi' but that's really just because they tend to dominate the news. However, there seems to be an ever growing amount of competition both in terms of BEV's and BEV news.

    Have fun.
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 19th Nov 19, 7:47 AM
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    And straight off, the biggest news currently is probably the launch of Ford's Mustang Mach E, which is an SUV, and (I think personally) could be a huge, huge hit:

    Great artists steal: Why Ford’s Mustang Mach E was inspired by Tesla in all the right ways

    Maybe they were just blowing sunshine…at me…but the Ford executives I spoke with absolutely think this is the future of the Mustang and of the wider Ford product line. They readily admit that everything Ford has done up until today in electrification was compliance focused and not at all compelling from a drive standpoint. Sorry, Focus Electric drivers.

    Everything changed when Jim Hackett took over from Mark Fields as Ford CEO a little over two years ago. One Hackett quote stuck out at me at the time, and rings true after seeing the Mustang Mach E finished product:

    “The biggest challenge, is to have everybody see the future,” Hackett said. “It’s our right to win there. We don’t have to cede that to anybody. Tesla, anybody.”
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 19th Nov 19, 7:50 AM
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    • 19th Nov 19, 7:50 AM
    A short vid on the Arcimoto (think Twizzy on three wheels). Loads of potential for inner city commuting.

    I'm sure there are better 'proper' car reviews out there, but this short vid from Gali from Hyperchange is more at my level, and shows off the vehicle as they have some fun on the streets of New York:

    First FUV Test-drive In NYC! đŸ—½The Arcimoto Has Arrived!
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 19th Nov 19, 8:25 AM
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    • 19th Nov 19, 8:25 AM
    Some quick Tesla news, we have more info on the European Gigafactory,

    Details About Tesla Gigafactory 4 Emerge In German Press

    some tidbits on the ever growing sightings of TMY's,

    More Glimpses Of Tesla Model Y Near Tesla Fremont Factory

    and no link, but just a mention that the 21st is the launch date for the Tesla pickup, now named the CYBRTRK.

    Could be a gamechanger, could be some sort of Blade Runner* freak that looks ridiculous, but it's going to make the news either way.

    Launch date of Nov 2019 supposedly to coincide with Blade Runner.
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    • NigeWick
    • By NigeWick 19th Nov 19, 9:27 AM
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    And straight off, the biggest news currently is probably the launch of Ford's Mustang Mach E
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    Which allegedly does 1.9 miles per kWH. The very least I get form my Hyundai Kona is 3.2 miles per kWh.
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    • NigeWick
    • By NigeWick 19th Nov 19, 9:29 AM
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    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    I wonder when they'll build a Gigafactory in Africa?
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    • EVandPV
    • By EVandPV 19th Nov 19, 11:29 AM
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    Which allegedly does 1.9 miles per kWH. The very least I get form my Hyundai Kona is 3.2 miles per kWh.
    Originally posted by NigeWick

    1.9 miles, ouch !!
    Currently getting 3.5 in a Zoe, even at -5°C.




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    • ABrass
    • By ABrass 19th Nov 19, 12:14 PM
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    Which allegedly does 1.9 miles per kWH. The very least I get form my Hyundai Kona is 3.2 miles per kWh.
    Originally posted by NigeWick
    It wouldn't be a Mustang if it didn't have rubbish mpg.
    • 1961Nick
    • By 1961Nick 19th Nov 19, 12:25 PM
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    • 19th Nov 19, 12:25 PM
    1.9 miles, ouch !!
    Currently getting 3.5 in a Zoe, even at -5°C.




    Originally posted by EVandPV
    It's not particularly quick either (in BEV terms)!

    I'm not too sure about the interior ... although Mustang's have never set a very high bar in that respect.
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    • almillar
    • By almillar 19th Nov 19, 1:22 PM
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    Which allegedly does 1.9 miles per kWH

    How on earth can they know that? It's not even out in the US until 2021. If that's the number that a journalist saw on a screen after a test drive or something, ignore it - we all know we drive more economically than on a test drive, where you would specifically be testing the performance of the car. You can get 1.9 out of your car if you try hard enough!
    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 19th Nov 19, 2:15 PM
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    How on earth can they know that? It's not even out in the US until 2021. If that's the number that a journalist saw on a screen after a test drive or something, ignore it - we all know we drive more economically than on a test drive, where you would specifically be testing the performance of the car. You can get 1.9 out of your car if you try hard enough!
    Originally posted by almillar
    Hi

    Agree .... from the breadcrumbs I've seen/read so far, the offering seems to be in ~75kWh & ~100kWh variants with suggested estimated range of 300miles+ (presumably 100kWh version) which would naturally suggest 3miles+/kWh .... all breadcrumbs of course as what's currently out there are pre-production models with the final bodywork/offerings & specifications having not been finalised or confirmed .... can't see why over 3miles/kWh shouldn't be in the right ball park though so it's likely that 1.9 is either pure petrol-head journalistic mischief or, as you say, there's more performance testing 'fun' included in the figures than the average journey would contain ...

    HTH
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 19th Nov 19, 4:17 PM
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    No idea on the mpkWh (is that a thing? Perhaps m/kWh - still looks wrong), but, having watched a few blogs of the electric news channels and their views/opinions, the important takeaway seems to be that Ford is serious, it's absolutely not a compliance car ...... hopefully!

    Good news I suspect, but don't all shout at me if I've been fooled again (nobody mention the Chevy Bolt, please.)
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    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 19th Nov 19, 4:40 PM
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    Also interesting is the news out of Volkswagen that the new ID3 is 40% cheaper to build than the Egolf: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric/vw-ceo-says-new-id-3-car-40-cheaper-to-build-than-electric-golf-idUSKBN1XS1BN


    Let's hope that is reflected in customer pricing!
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 20th Nov 19, 7:14 AM
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    Fanboi warning - but I saw this last night and couldn't stop chuckling at just how much different the BEV World is v's ICE.

    Following an over the air update, the power output of the TM3 has been increased resulting in the mid-range model's 0-60mph dropping from 5.6s to 4.9s and the performance TM3 drops from 3.2s to 2.8s.

    You buy a car, and it gets better ............ mind blowing, but I love it.
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    • Zarch
    • By Zarch 20th Nov 19, 9:09 AM
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    Skoda has revealed pricing and specification details of its new Citigo iV pure-electric citycar. Featuring a range of up to 170 miles on a charge, the Citigo iV starts at £20,455 excluding £3,500 Plug-in Car Grant (PiCG). So £16,995 with grant.

    https://www.zap-map.com/skoda-citigo-iv-prices-announced/
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    • JKenH
    • By JKenH 20th Nov 19, 9:28 AM
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    Skoda has revealed pricing and specification details of its new Citigo iV pure-electric citycar. Featuring a range of up to 170 miles on a charge, the Citigo iV starts at £20,455 excluding £3,500 Plug-in Car Grant (PiCG). So £16,995 with grant.

    https://www.zap-map.com/skoda-citigo-iv-prices-announced/
    Originally posted by Zarch
    Thank you. That sounds just the ticket for my wife to replace her Picanto. She likes driving the Leaf but not parking it. The price seems much more reasonable than the old VW eUp.
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    • NigeWick
    • By NigeWick 20th Nov 19, 9:41 AM
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    How on earth can they know that?
    Originally posted by almillar
    Like a lot of "news" on BEVs, it's just an estimate.
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    • EVandPV
    • By EVandPV 20th Nov 19, 11:02 AM
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    Skoda has revealed pricing and specification details of its new Citigo iV pure-electric citycar. Featuring a range of up to 170 miles on a charge, the Citigo iV starts at £20,455 excluding £3,500 Plug-in Car Grant (PiCG). So £16,995 with grant.

    https://www.zap-map.com/skoda-citigo-iv-prices-announced/
    Originally posted by Zarch

    That's not bad at all considering the batteries are around £6k.
    Decent range too.
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    • almillar
    • By almillar 20th Nov 19, 1:02 PM
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    Like a lot of "news" on BEVs, it's just an estimate.
    But it's a very low estimate, as above. So what did they base it on? As I said, they'd be better not 'estimating' these things, and we just won't know the range (that we can compare against other cars) until it's been through the official testing. Worthless otherwise and just gets people whooped up.
    • joefizz
    • By joefizz 20th Nov 19, 1:38 PM
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    A short vid on the Arcimoto (think Twizzy on three wheels). Loads of potential for inner city commuting.
    Originally posted by Martyn1981

    Have a look at the US NEV sector, had a go in the GEM which is owned by polaris which make loads of different sort of small vehicles in the US (quads, atvs etc). Unfairly compared to a golf cart but used widely in various commercial applications and adopted by some communities as the local get around transport option.



    One I would have loved to have a go in but didnt get the chance was the polaris slingshot, ice powered but could well be an ev platform. Wouldnt really suit our climate (even with the grand tourer version).
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