Your browser isn't supported
It looks like you're using an old web browser. To get the most out of the site and to ensure guides display correctly, we suggest upgrading your browser now. Download the latest:

Welcome to the MSE Forums

We're home to a fantastic community of MoneySavers but anyone can post. Please exercise caution & report spam, illegal, offensive or libellous posts/messages: click "report" or email forumteam@.

Search
  • FIRST POST
    • bradgshea
    • By bradgshea 17th Apr 18, 11:56 AM
    • 1Posts
    • 0Thanks
    bradgshea
    PIP - Question criteria is vague?
    • #1
    • 17th Apr 18, 11:56 AM
    PIP - Question criteria is vague? 17th Apr 18 at 11:56 AM
    Hello all,

    I have an upcoming PIP assessment and am currently looking at the scoring criteria and I find some of the terms a bit vague, especially on the mobility.

    For example: d. Cannot follow the route of an unfamiliar journey without another person, assistance dog or orientation aid. 10 points.

    Would a GPS count as an orientation aid? What would count as an unfamiliar journey?

    Does anyone else find the criteria vague also? Or is this done intentionally?
Page 1
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 17th Apr 18, 12:24 PM
    • 3,414 Posts
    • 3,295 Thanks
    poppy12345
    • #2
    • 17th Apr 18, 12:24 PM
    • #2
    • 17th Apr 18, 12:24 PM
    Hello all,

    I have an upcoming PIP assessment and am currently looking at the scoring criteria and I find some of the terms a bit vague, especially on the mobility.

    For example: d. Cannot follow the route of an unfamiliar journey without another person, assistance dog or orientation aid. 10 points.

    Would a GPS count as an orientation aid? What would count as an unfamiliar journey?

    Does anyone else find the criteria vague also? Or is this done intentionally?
    Originally posted by bradgshea
    A GPS doesn't count as an aid for PIP descriptors. This is because lots of people use these in everyday life. An orientation aid is something like a cane that a blind person would use.

    An unfamiliar journey is where you wouldn't go alone because you're not familiar with it. This guide may help you with all the descriptors and what they mean. It's part 2 that applies here.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 17th Apr 18, 6:22 PM
    • 2,408 Posts
    • 2,796 Thanks
    Alice Holt
    • #3
    • 17th Apr 18, 6:22 PM
    • #3
    • 17th Apr 18, 6:22 PM
    Also the activity looks at your ability to make an unfamiliar journey by public transport.

    The assessment guide poppy linked to states "Orientation aids are specialist aids. Ordinary satellite navigation systems such as those found in mobile phones do not count as specialist. Maps or lists of directions do not count as specialist. ......"

    The descriptors in the guide are now out of date following the court ruling that including the phrase "excluding psychological distress" was discriminatory.
    Last edited by Alice Holt; 17-04-2018 at 6:29 PM.
    • tyler2027
    • By tyler2027 17th Apr 18, 7:30 PM
    • 62 Posts
    • 77 Thanks
    tyler2027
    • #4
    • 17th Apr 18, 7:30 PM
    • #4
    • 17th Apr 18, 7:30 PM
    Hi,

    May I clarify a couple of points........

    - although the activity refers to the ability to use public transport, it is not underpinned by law. Within the assessors guide what is not law is down to guidance which the DWP can use or not. And it appears "not" is the more likely response.

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/forum1?view=topic&catid=10&id=122009&start=6#21040 4

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/forum1?view=topic&catid=10&id=120361#204436

    - technically the guide descriptors are out of date following the ruling ...but the DWP are abiding by this version poppy has posted as being the current one they are following....pending "new" guidance being published. Which will of course then be exactly like it was before......they don't even need to do "new" assessment guide, they could just bring the previous version back into play(bangs head on wall)

    post 33
    https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/12365/P30/

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3744-dwp-advise-failed-pip-claimants-to-try-again-but-admit-they-will-still-unlawfully-turn-them-down


    Ty
    Last edited by tyler2027; 17-04-2018 at 7:34 PM.
Welcome to our new Forum!

Our aim is to save you money quickly and easily. We hope you like it!

Forum Team Contact us

Live Stats

482Posts Today

5,104Users online

Martin's Twitter