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    ftbworried
    Please ensure your electrics are up to date!!!!!!!!!
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    • 31st Jan 07, 3:48 PM
    Please ensure your electrics are up to date!!!!!!!!! 31st Jan 07 at 3:48 PM
    Official Insert from MSE Martin

    This post, from a few weeks ago, highlights the importance of keeping your electrics up to date at home. I thought that ftbworried's experience was worth sharing with as many people as possible; it's easy to let electrical repairs slip, but the consequences can be very costly.

    The NICEIC recommends that household electrics are inspected every 5-10 years, yet a survey revealed that many houses haven't been looked at in 30. If your house hasn't been checked you should get an inspector in to take a look.

    Electrical safety law dictates that all modern electrical work be inspected by a registered electrician. If you don't get a certificate for the inspection, you'll be breaking the law, as well as living in a potentially unsafe home.

    Back to the original post:

    We bought our house back in April last year and noticed that we didnt have an RCD box (a box that trips your electric should there be a fault in the circuit etc). We dilly-dallied about, putting off installing one- thinking that it wasn't really worth the cost etc. My Dad has pestered us and pestered us to get one fitted since April 06 and eventually 2 weeks ago we had one fitted.

    Today I went to plug our washing machine in and unbeknown to me, the plug had been damaged in the kitchen move, and the casing along had been damaged and a damaged wire was exposed.

    Not seeing this (and with my hand touching the wire!!) I plugged it into a live socket . I am usually quite a careful person but I was rushing to get some washing on before i went out. I heard a loud 'crack' and I got a strong but short shock (which left a burn on my hand) and the RCD box tripped. If we hadn't had the RCD box fitted then I would have been a gonner, there and then at 23 years old.

    I cannot stress how important it is to make sure (regardless of cost) that your house is up to date with the nessecary safety protections. Don't let costs put you of like it did initially with us...it COULD save your life.


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    Last edited by Former MSE Andrea; 07-07-2008 at 2:57 PM.
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    • gromituk
    • By gromituk 22nd Feb 07, 4:23 PM
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    gromituk
    I'm not sure I can do that unless you expand on what you mean by "for home lighting" as you evidently don't mean what I guessed at in response to your last posting - absolute brightness. Do you mean beam pattern, colour temperature, or something?
    Time is an illusion - lunch time doubly so.
  • ollyk
    I'm not sure I can do that unless you expand on what you mean by "for home lighting" as you evidently don't mean what I guessed at in response to your last posting - absolute brightness. Do you mean beam pattern, colour temperature, or something?
    by gromituk
    I mean Lumens per Watt actually used by the led oR Lumens per Watt of light output?
    • gromituk
    • By gromituk 22nd Feb 07, 5:24 PM
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    gromituk
    Actual light output.
    Time is an illusion - lunch time doubly so.
  • ollyk
    Actual light output.
    by gromituk
    means jack bud. I have to admit led tech has come on and looks like they *might* actually overtake halogens next year, assuming the site I just looked at is up to date, so I guess we are verging on a stalemate.... but I think I am right really
    • roses
    • By roses 2nd Mar 07, 1:27 PM
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    roses
    Well I had a full electric rewire done on my ancient victorian house last year. The guys that did the job, based in North London, did an absolutely fantastic job & were very cheap! I paid 4,000 in London for a full electric rewire which included extra sockets & lighting in the loft, replastering & working in an occupied house which meant putting everything in a working state at the end of each day. It was the cheapest quote out of 4 which I obtained.

    If anyone needs a recommendation then send me a pm
  • Jamsyke
    Trouble with led's is that when lighting up your house, they are no more efficient than tungsten lamps, and less efficient than Halogen. It's getting their, and rapidly but Led tech has some way to go before it could be compared to flourescent lighting!
    by ollyk
    Depends what you mean by efficiency, I would assume you mean the amount of energy they use.

    They are far more efficient than any other type of light bulb in this regard. The drawback is that the light output hasn't quite reached practical levels yet.

    When you say "less efficient than halogen" do you mean less bright than halogen?

    Also, for people worried about using cfl's with dimmers.... there are dimmable versions available, ask a specialist lighting company. I know Megaman do some. These will become readily available in the fullness of time, like everything else.
    • bockster
    • By bockster 6th Mar 07, 9:26 PM
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    bockster
    i don't get all the confusion about efficiency???

    surely it should just be a comparison of watts consumed for a given amount of light output.

    you can argue about the colour or the characteristics of the light after
  • ollyk
    Depends what you mean by efficiency, I would assume you mean the amount of energy they use.

    They are far more efficient than any other type of light bulb in this regard. The drawback is that the light output hasn't quite reached practical levels yet.

    When you say "less efficient than halogen" do you mean less bright than halogen?

    Also, for people worried about using cfl's with dimmers.... there are dimmable versions available, ask a specialist lighting company. I know Megaman do some. These will become readily available in the fullness of time, like everything else.
    by Jamsyke
    well, for one I acknoledged the fact that led's had come on a long way, and that there are examples now that are approaching that of compact flourescents, for efficiency of light output, although to my knowledge still have not exceeded compact flourescent lighting!
    And yes the last time I looked white led's were approx 19 lum/watt where as halogens approx 20 lums / watt.

    Also there are different ways of measuring the efficiency of light output that many people use different methods of presenting their data to suit their marketing strategy. A classic example is the above poster basing their assumptions on Lumens per Watt of light output - as used by the led manufacturers!
  • rygon
    But talking about how bright they are has nothing to do with efficiency..just how bright they actually are!!!!!
    As bockster said efficiency is the ratio of input and output.
    Smile and be happy, things can usually get worse!
    • gromituk
    • By gromituk 6th Mar 07, 11:19 PM
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    gromituk
    So, having just yourself used lumens/watt to justify your own assertion that fluorescents are more efficient than LEDs, what exactly do you base your assumptions about efficiency on then, ollyk?
    Time is an illusion - lunch time doubly so.
  • norman
    all super vg stuff BUT WATCH OUT FOR THE ELASTOPLAST nutters.....IE I once walked approx 300 yards from my back door to post a letter and almost at the mail box I saw a bloke trimming his front hedge with a vg hedge trimmer. I had lived in that street for 15 years but never met him so naturally stopped for a chat. There had been a little rain but conditions underfoot were passable and then I noticed he had, at one time cut through the cable at the point where it passed by his ankles AND REPAIRED IT WITH ELASTOPLAST. I did have a polite chat with the guy but could not persuade him that what he had done was wrong. He did admit that his appliance was not protected by any kind of circuit breaker.

    As I am on a TECHIE kind of thread, can anybody point me to where I may buy a rechargeable lantern that comes on automatically when there is a power cut? THANKS. I have looked all over the place.
    What goes around - comes around
    give lots and you will always recieve lots
  • norman
    what happened there ?...... IE ABOVE.................I was on a thread about rewiring and fitting new RCBs or circuit breakers
    What goes around - comes around
    give lots and you will always recieve lots
    • roses
    • By roses 8th Mar 07, 12:13 PM
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    roses
    I have had a few PMs about which company I used for my rewire so I thought I would post here.

    I used http://www.firstcoat.co.uk/, who are based in North London. I think they cover within the M25.

    I paid £4000 for a full electrical rewire inc moving furniture, replastering & working in an occupied house. They are fully certified & I got a safety certificate at the end. They were the cheapest of the 3 quotes I got & were extremely professional & did a fantastic job.
    • Markee
    • By Markee 10th May 07, 2:56 PM
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    Markee
    Hi all,

    As a 16th Edition qualified electrician I could bore (and scare) you with lots of horror stories (thankfully, no fatalities) where I have had to sort out DIY disasters.

    Needless to say, you should never take chances with electricity - never attempt ANY electrical work unless you know what you are doing - I mean REALLY know what you are doing!

    I would be happy to give any advice, if anyone needs it.

    Mark
  • odds-n-sods
    HI Mark:

    How about a light socket which has fused to the bulb due to a 100W lightbulb being put in instead of a 60W?? Does this need an electrician to sort out?? If so, can you let me know where to find the relevant information to inform my landlord. Thanks!
  • odds-n-sods
    ( and we didn't do it, previous tenants have and the bulb still works!)
  • real1314
    I'm not a spark, but putting a 100w bulb in an mains light fitting should not be a problem from that aspect.

    The reason for the restriction on the bulb rating is due to the type of shade/cover. Not because the bulb is likely to fuse to the bulb holder.

    imo. (based on experience, common sense, but not on qualified electrical experience)
  • changkra
    Frightening, that really brings it home to you as i don't have one on mine and have also been dallying due to the cost, I wont be putting it off any longer.
    • baldelectrician
    • By baldelectrician 3rd Jun 07, 9:36 PM
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    baldelectrician
    Official Insert from MSE Martin

    Electrical safety law dictates that all modern electrical work be inspected by a registered electrician. If you don't get a certificate for the inspection, you'll be breaking the law, as well as living in a potentially unsafe home.
    Originally posted by ftbworried
    The IEE wiring regulations specify that all electrical works be certified, this is (unfortunately) not a requirement in law.
    I would strongly recommend people use a registered electrician.
    It is a common misconception that people must use a NICEIC contractor (as they have a really good customer relations department).
    Part P does not apply to Scotland, there are a few competent person schemes for Part P.
    A different scheme operates in Scotland.

    Remember it is the responsibility of the person ordering the work to make sure it complies.

    You should use a competent person for the work, links below

    In Scotland:
    Individuals regitered;
    http://www.sbsa.gov.uk/register/ListAC.asp
    Companies
    http://www.sbsa.gov.uk/register/SearchCo.asp?T=Construction&ID=2

    In England and Wales:
    http://www.competentperson.co.uk
    Last edited by baldelectrician; 03-06-2007 at 9:46 PM.
  • ban-all-sheds
    Are there alternatives to NICEIC? If so, what are they?
    Originally posted by ollyk
    There is a list of scheme organisers on the http://www.competentperson.co.uk website listed above. Even though the site is owned by the Electrical Contractors Association, it does seem to be unbiased in its listings.

    Be aware that a site that many LABC sites will point you at - http://www.partp.co.uk , is not unbiased and will only return BREC-ECA members in searches.

    And if we're on the topic of getting changes/clarifications made, I'd like to point out that neither

    "Electrical safety law dictates that all modern electrical work be inspected by a registered electrician."

    or

    "If you don't get a certificate for the inspection, you'll be breaking the law"

    are true.
    .

    If I'd known I was going to be so thirsty this morning I'd have drunk more beer last night.
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