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    • Sequeena
    • By Sequeena 13th Jan 10, 7:35 AM
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    Sequeena
    400 are you being serious?!

    Any more taxes and me and my OH will not be able to live, we may as well turn to benefits also

    My mum has had several strokes (her first one being the most major), has a hole in her heart, suffers from arthritis and several other conditions. My father also has arthritis and diabetes. I don't know what most of you are doing but they are managing ok in this cold weather on their benefits.

    I'm all for the cold weather payments they get - it does help them but 400 is absolutely ridiculous.
    Wife and mother
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    April week 1 - 42.78 | week 2 - 53.05
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    • C_Mababejive
    • By C_Mababejive 13th Jan 10, 9:23 AM
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    Disabled can feel the cold as much as elderly especially if you have issues with circulation
    Originally posted by BargainGalore
    I appreciate the sentiment but we cannot have everyone who is classed as disabled being added to the payout list.

    All sorts of ailments can be classed as a disability eg depression,bad back etc.. I have them all and yet i press on. The last two weeks i have been out working daily in the snow and ice.

    Who is going to pay MY gas bill?

    I am not going out sweating my nuts off to pay the bill of someone whos skulking round the house with some minor ailment. It isnt my fault.

    I dont mind helping some poor old dear who lives in extreme poverty in some draughty old house.

    I think such payments should be universally means tested.

    My cure for the cold for the last three weeks when i have been out working is a shovel in my vehicle,a pair of thermal long johns and a thermal vest, a woolly hat and a pair of sunglasses to prevent eye strain from the bright white snow when driving. If that keeps me going when im out working with my bad back,bad neck,elevated stress levels and generally feeling of being knackered then i recommend it for all in the home though you might not need the sunglasses.
    Feudal Britain needs land reform. 70% of the land is "owned" by 1 % of the population and at least 50% is unregistered (inherited by landed gentry). Thats why your slave box costs so much..
    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 13th Jan 10, 9:37 AM
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    Oh deary me, do you? So do young families with little children, where is their help? Where is the help for a number of people with 100's of illnesses that don't class as disabilites?
    If you are severly disabled you will get disability benefit, and therefore will get the CWP.
    If you are on other DLA, then that is what the DLA is for, to help you live a normal life.
    Originally posted by Aputsiaq
    I suggest you look up the criteria for CWP.

    DLA DOESN'T cover everything. Tell that to a friend of mine who receive HRC and doesn't see a penny of that for equipment they need. And social services / ILF want more than what their DLA is.

    If it did cover everything, then why am I having to save up my care component for 2.5 years (yes, really) just so I can read properly? And why are some of us having to use our own money to pay for the equipment we need? By the time I've paid for the food, (because I'm wheat intolerant) wet wipes and nappy sacks, that only leaves me with a couple of quid each week- that will not cover the extra water or heating I need to use.

    Severely disabled people don't all get disability benefits.
    • bryanb
    • By bryanb 13th Jan 10, 9:44 AM
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    Is this thread about Winter fuel payment (as title) or cold weather payment? They are completely separate payments with totally different criteria. They are paid to different groups of people.
    Just to clarify, Winter fuel payment is nothing to do with cold weather, it is paid to all British pensioners, even those in Spain. It is also paid to men 60+ in full employment if they choose to claim.
    Last edited by bryanb; 13-01-2010 at 9:52 AM.
    This is an open forum, anyone can post and I just did !
    • summerof0763
    • By summerof0763 13th Jan 10, 12:55 PM
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    Oh yes,this country is swimming with money. Pity the poor taxpayer. count me out.
    Originally posted by C_Mababejive
    your obviously not disabled,i paid my taxes for years until i pysicaly could no longer work,but wish i was in a position where i could work
    • welshmoneylover
    • By welshmoneylover 13th Jan 10, 1:21 PM
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    And why are some of us having to use our own money to pay for the equipment we need?

    And what is wrong with this? I also use my own money to pay for my own needs.

    By the time I've paid for the food, (because I'm wheat intolerant) wet wipes and nappy sacks, that only leaves me with a couple of quid each week- that will not cover the extra water or heating I need to use.
    Originally posted by sh1305

    People who work are also left with a couple of quid each week once all bills are paid.

    Things are tough for everyone right now.
    Be happy, it's the greatest wealth
    • misty blue
    • By misty blue 13th Jan 10, 1:27 PM
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    i can see both sides of the argument

    firstly i have MS and am bedridden, also i suffer with touch sensitivity so i cannot bear anything touching my skin, very hard when it is freezing cold to try and keep warm, my duvet has to be lifted off me with a blanket lifter .
    i can only wear the lightest of clothing on top and nothing on my legs as they are so sensitive.
    It costs a fortune to keep my room warm, as like i said i cannot bear clothes on me to keep warm, also i have to be turned in bed every 2 hours to stop getting bed sores.
    Yes i get DLA high rate care but this is taken up paying for my care needs and the high living expenses that come with being so ill.

    On the other hand the extra money for cold weather payments i get no matter how small is very much appreciated.
    I worked 3 jobs before i took ill, and wish i was capable of work now, but alas i am not.

    yes my heating bill is huge, yes i find it hard to pay, but it has always been the case that you use more heating in the winter months so the bills are higher.
    my disablity makes it hard for me to keep warm, but where do we draw the line.
    It would be nice to get a fuel allowance like pensioners do, but we dont , some might think its wrong, others not, i myself think life is too short to worry about it .

    yes it is hard but life is hard for everyone, not only us disabled people.
    Last edited by misty blue; 13-01-2010 at 1:59 PM.
    • sheeps68
    • By sheeps68 13th Jan 10, 2:06 PM
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    I too see both sides of the story and the line has to be drawn somewhere.

    I dont thnk the use your DLA to pay for extra heating holds any weight as that is to pay for additional and care needs. Yes it certainly helps pay for those and for that we are greatful. But for example my DLA low care is to pay for ready prepared veg, practical help to undertake basic tasks eg assistance shopping & going out, personnal care needs, fund my medical equipment - I have to purchase myself, prescriptions... I could go on but I think that is enough to show it doesnt meet those needs yet alone pay for extra heating. 18:65 a week clearly isn't a huge amount. I'd also be working full time in a role a grade higher if it wasn't for disability.

    For now I just get on with living but it would be helpful if really clear who qualifies for what. Lets be real we live in the real world and lifes not fair.
    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 13th Jan 10, 2:13 PM
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    We're told that we have to use our DLA - why do we have to, yet once we reach 60 (or is it 65?) we don't have to do this? Or do we suddenly have more costs when we reach that age?
    • misty blue
    • By misty blue 13th Jan 10, 2:18 PM
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    We're told that we have to use our DLA - why do we have to, yet once we reach 60 (or is it 65?) we don't have to do this? Or do we suddenly have more costs when we reach that age?
    Originally posted by sh1305

    and pensioners have to use their pensions
    Last edited by misty blue; 13-01-2010 at 2:21 PM.
    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 13th Jan 10, 2:18 PM
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    and pensioners have to use their pensions
    Originally posted by misty blue
    No, they get the winter fuel allowance.
    • misty blue
    • By misty blue 13th Jan 10, 2:23 PM
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    No, they get the winter fuel allowance.
    Originally posted by sh1305
    but they dont get DLA do they ?
    and they only get winter fuel allowance during the winter, not all year round like DLA
    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 13th Jan 10, 2:24 PM
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    DLA does NOT have a heating component. People on DLA generally have extra costs associated with their disabilities.
  • moonsilk2
    I am 68 and get DLA does this mean I qualify for cold weather payments? Its a simple yes or no,as reading the other posts are a bit confusing.
    • misty blue
    • By misty blue 13th Jan 10, 2:34 PM
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    misty blue
    i can see both sides of the argument

    firstly i have MS and am bedridden, also i suffer with touch sensitivity so i cannot bear anything touching my skin, very hard when it is freezing cold to try and keep warm, my duvet has to be lifted off me with a blanket lifter .
    i can only wear the lightest of clothing on top and nothing on my legs as they are so sensitive.
    It costs a fortune to keep my room warm, as like i said i cannot bear clothes on me to keep warm, also i have to be turned in bed every 2 hours to stop getting bed sores.
    Yes i get DLA high rate care but this is taken up paying for my care needs and the high living expenses that come with being so ill.

    On the other hand the extra money for cold weather payments i get no matter how small is very much appreciated.
    I worked 3 jobs before i took ill, and wish i was capable of work now, but alas i am not.

    yes my heating bill is huge, yes i find it hard to pay, but it has always been the case that you use more heating in the winter months so the bills are higher.
    my disablity makes it hard for me to keep warm, but where do we draw the line.
    It would be nice to get a fuel allowance like pensioners do, but we dont , some might think its wrong, others not, i myself think life is too short to worry about it .

    yes it is hard but life is hard for everyone, not only us disabled people.
    Originally posted by misty blue
    DLA does NOT have a heating component. People on DLA generally have extra costs associated with their disabilities.
    Originally posted by sh1305
    if you read my post above you will see i am severely disabled,
    in answer to your post pension doesnt include a heating componant either, i am not a pensioner, i am disabled but i do not understand why there is such bad feeling having to pay our heating bills out of the money we get,
    if i was working i would have to pay for heating out of my wages.
    My benefits are for living expenses including heating .
    Last edited by misty blue; 13-01-2010 at 2:37 PM.
  • DX2
    I am 68 and get DLA does this mean I qualify for cold weather payments? Its a simple yes or no,as reading the other posts are a bit confusing.
    Originally posted by moonsilk2
    Not a simple yes or no I'm afraid! Do you get pension credit?
    • fedupconsumer
    • By fedupconsumer 13th Jan 10, 2:36 PM
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    Is this for real?

    Even working taxpayers are struggling to pay heating bills right now.

    Personally, I could do with some help :confused:
    Originally posted by welshmoneylover
    But the majority of them are able bodied and in good health where others on this sub forum are very very ill and cold weather can mean the difference from crippling pain to a reduction of pain and a ability to function,

    "Oh deary me, do you? So do young families with little children, where is their help? Where is the help for a number of people with 100's of illnesses that don't class as disabilities?"

    So sorry but families and elderly people always get all the help because its a vote winner. What some people fail to get their heads around carers and helpers not paid by the state save the economy 89 billion, 89 billion, im sorry but what the government are doing is immoral, illegal and is tantamount to leaving the most vulnerable people in society in a perpetual state of ill health. We get told your liars your faking your illness, putting up with constant assessments, back and forth hospitals for care and appointments, go through huge physiological problems a by product of chronic health. We dont want to be disabled , many would love someone to wave a magic wand to get better but the rubbish we have to go through on a daily basis can be debilitating.

    Disabled people have laws to protect them from inferior service young familes dont.

    " What a disgusting and ridiculous idea. Many disabled people are already given ten to fifteen times the winter fuel allowance in extra"

    Where from good grief you would think that disabled people are rolling in money simply what you have posted is a lot of rubbish, show us where you have based this from?

    People have mentioned DLA covering the cost of heating, its for paying for care and mobility neither covers heating. So that argument is a no starter and can be quashed, the government are using it as an excuse not to pay up and distances themselves from actually addressing the problem.

    WFP should be means tested and there is nothing to say it would cost more to do so, simply looking at the assesment of income when applying for other benefits has effectively done the work for them. Simple solutions but the powers that be dont want to address the obvious disparity.

    "and pensioners have to use their pensions"

    Pensionersget 95.25 moe than the average disabled person on ESA or IB and they get WFP'S as well , many might have company pentions too.

    "I appreciate the sentiment but we cannot have everyone who is classed as disabled being added to the payout list."

    That is a good point where the people with chronic and long term disabilites should be cattered for but for those signed of work for less than 6 months should be omitted.
    Last edited by fedupconsumer; 13-01-2010 at 2:40 PM.
    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 13th Jan 10, 2:49 PM
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    Indie Kid
    if you read my post above you will see i am severely disabled,
    in answer to your post pension doesnt include a heating componant either, i am not a pensioner, i am disabled but i do not understand why there is such bad feeling having to pay our heating bills out of the money we get,
    if i was working i would have to pay for heating out of my wages.
    My benefits are for living expenses including heating .
    Originally posted by misty blue
    DLA doesn't go far though. And for most of us, it doesn't cover half of the costs we need. Why do I have to pay the heating out of my DLA; yet if I was a pensioner on DLA I wouldn't have to?

    If I was working and not on benefits, I would have much more money than I do.

    Where from good grief you would think that disabled people are rolling in money simply what you have posted is a lot of rubbish, show us where you have based this from?
    Over a year, LRC is around 970. But as we all know, it doesn't go far.
    • C_Mababejive
    • By C_Mababejive 13th Jan 10, 2:51 PM
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    your obviously not disabled,i paid my taxes for years until i pysicaly could no longer work,but wish i was in a position where i could work
    Originally posted by summerof0763
    Yes i have disabilities (or at least i have conditions talked about on here as disabilities) but i self manage and still work normally.
    Feudal Britain needs land reform. 70% of the land is "owned" by 1 % of the population and at least 50% is unregistered (inherited by landed gentry). Thats why your slave box costs so much..
    • C_Mababejive
    • By C_Mababejive 13th Jan 10, 2:53 PM
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    C_Mababejive
    and pensioners have to use their pensions
    Originally posted by misty blue
    And i have to use my wages....
    Feudal Britain needs land reform. 70% of the land is "owned" by 1 % of the population and at least 50% is unregistered (inherited by landed gentry). Thats why your slave box costs so much..
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