Deemed 50% Export v Actual Export
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You won't be surprised to know that I've already mapped out the last 7 months of the Octopus Agile tariff pricing against the last 7 months of my energy usage/import broken down into 30 min chunks to compare like for like.
Hi Zarch - couple of questions about Agile if I may....
1. How much do the rates vary for the same period day by day? That is, can you safely bet that you'll always get much the same rate (give or take a bit) at much the same time, or does it vary significantly from one day to the next (with the exception of the occasional blip)?
2. What's the typical spread of rates - i.e. not between the highest you've ever seen and the lowest you've ever seen, but the spread between the average high for a day and the average low for a day?
The significance of these questions for me is that although I'm on Economy 7, I don't have a separate time switched circuit and can buy my cheap electricity whenever it's best.
Thanks, Mike0 -
I reckon the future off peak overnight demand is going to be dictated by EVs.
Hi Nick - I'm with you on this, but can't make my mind up on how quickly this change will happen.....
Firstly, only being able to buy an EV from 2030, 2040 or whenever doesn't mean that there will only be EV's on the road as it will be another decade or so before exiting vehicles are scrapped.
Secondly, it does depend on consumer behaviour. For most of us on this forum, choosing the best energy supplier is a no-brainer, but there are still an awful lot of people who have never switched. This isn't just elderly or vulnerable non-car drivers, I know lots of people who haven't swicthed. If this group haven't even looked at different energy providers what will it take to persuade them to choose a tarriff that saves money on overnight EV charging?
My gut feeling is that although EV ownership will grow rapidly, within the timescale of my existing FIT contract and battery-life (10 to 15 years) the change won't be enough for EVs to have taken over the roads.....0 -
Hi Zarch - couple of questions about Agile if I may....
1. How much do the rates vary for the same period day by day? That is, can you safely bet that you'll always get much the same rate (give or take a bit) at much the same time, or does it vary significantly from one day to the next (with the exception of the occasional blip)?
2. What's the typical spread of rates - i.e. not between the highest you've ever seen and the lowest you've ever seen, but the spread between the average high for a day and the average low for a day?
The significance of these questions for me is that although I'm on Economy 7, I don't have a separate time switched circuit and can buy my cheap electricity whenever it's best.
Thanks, Mike
Hi Mike,
Give me a bit of time as i'm working a bit of a project to display all the agile data i've collated (15 months data for each region).
In the meantime...... Octopus release tomorrows prices at around 5pm the day before. So before you go to bed you'll know what tomorrow is going to cost.
Yes, the data follows a very similar pattern give or take a penny here and there.
For an example, here's a few days worth from Yorkshire region for each half hour (ending in the time listed).
2019-05-11T22:00:00Z 9.261
2019-05-11T21:30:00Z 10.5
2019-05-11T21:00:00Z 10.29
2019-05-11T20:30:00Z 12.075
2019-05-11T20:00:00Z 12.075
2019-05-11T19:30:00Z 11.676
2019-05-11T19:00:00Z 12.075
2019-05-11T18:30:00Z 12.012
2019-05-11T18:00:00Z 25.494
2019-05-11T17:30:00Z 23.835
2019-05-11T17:00:00Z 24.024
2019-05-11T16:30:00Z 22.26
2019-05-11T16:00:00Z 21.798
2019-05-11T15:30:00Z 20.79
2019-05-11T15:00:00Z 7.56
2019-05-11T14:30:00Z 7.35
2019-05-11T14:00:00Z 7.602
2019-05-11T13:30:00Z 7.98
2019-05-11T13:00:00Z 7.707
2019-05-11T12:30:00Z 9.66
2019-05-11T12:00:00Z 9.66
2019-05-11T11:30:00Z 10.521
2019-05-11T11:00:00Z 10.206
2019-05-11T10:30:00Z 10.752
2019-05-11T10:00:00Z 11.676
2019-05-11T09:30:00Z 11.97
2019-05-11T09:00:00Z 12.012
2019-05-11T08:30:00Z 12.075
2019-05-11T08:00:00Z 11.865
2019-05-11T07:30:00Z 11.13
2019-05-11T07:00:00Z 9.66
2019-05-11T06:30:00Z 8.61
2019-05-11T06:00:00Z 8.19
2019-05-11T05:30:00Z 8.19
2019-05-11T05:00:00Z 7.98
2019-05-11T04:30:00Z 8.19
2019-05-11T04:00:00Z 7.98
2019-05-11T03:30:00Z 8.19
2019-05-11T03:00:00Z 7.98
2019-05-11T02:30:00Z 8.19
2019-05-11T02:00:00Z 7.98
2019-05-11T01:30:00Z 8.085
2019-05-11T01:00:00Z 8.19
2019-05-11T00:30:00Z 8.19
2019-05-11T00:00:00Z 7.77
2019-05-10T23:30:00Z 8.841
2019-05-10T23:00:00Z 10.29
2019-05-10T22:30:00Z 9.933
2019-05-10T22:00:00Z 9.03
2019-05-10T21:30:00Z 10.164
2019-05-10T21:00:00Z 8.82
2019-05-10T20:30:00Z 11.088
2019-05-10T20:00:00Z 11.046
2019-05-10T19:30:00Z 11.088
2019-05-10T19:00:00Z 12.222
2019-05-10T18:30:00Z 12.39
2019-05-10T18:00:00Z 26.67
2019-05-10T17:30:00Z 26.145
2019-05-10T17:00:00Z 26.061
2019-05-10T16:30:00Z 24.57
2019-05-10T16:00:00Z 24.78
2019-05-10T15:30:00Z 22.05
2019-05-10T15:00:00Z 8.127
2019-05-10T14:30:00Z 7.791
2019-05-10T14:00:00Z 8.064
2019-05-10T13:30:00Z 8.253
2019-05-10T13:00:00Z 8.316
2019-05-10T12:30:00Z 9.24
2019-05-10T12:00:00Z 9.45
2019-05-10T11:30:00Z 10.416
2019-05-10T11:00:00Z 9.87
2019-05-10T10:30:00Z 10.5
2019-05-10T10:00:00Z 10.08
2019-05-10T09:30:00Z 11.34
2019-05-10T09:00:00Z 12.096
2019-05-10T08:30:00Z 13.02
2019-05-10T08:00:00Z 12.222
2019-05-10T07:30:00Z 13.377
2019-05-10T07:00:00Z 12.81
2019-05-10T06:30:00Z 11.382
2019-05-10T06:00:00Z 9.03
2019-05-10T05:30:00Z 9.87
2019-05-10T05:00:00Z 9.03
2019-05-10T04:30:00Z 8.904
2019-05-10T04:00:00Z 8.19
2019-05-10T03:30:00Z 8.19
2019-05-10T03:00:00Z 7.98
2019-05-10T02:30:00Z 8.19
2019-05-10T02:00:00Z 8.295
2019-05-10T01:30:00Z 8.295
2019-05-10T01:00:00Z 8.4
2019-05-10T00:30:00Z 8.295
2019-05-10T00:00:00Z 8.29517 x 300W panels (5.1kW) on a 3.68kW SolarEdge system in Sunny Sheffield.
12kW Pylontech battery storage system with Lux AC controller
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I think the change will happen when there are more vehicle options between the Tesla/iPace at one end and the i3/Leaf at the other. That middle ground is poorly populated at the moment & it’s an area where high mileage drivers spend their money/car allowance. These are the people who are going to make the real difference to overnight demand because they will be charging every night. It’ll probably be another 5 years before there are a significant number of offerings with the desired performance & range in that price bracket.Hi Nick - I'm with you on this, but can't make my mind up on how quickly this change will happen.....
Firstly, only being able to buy an EV from 2030, 2040 or whenever doesn't mean that there will only be EV's on the road as it will be another decade or so before exiting vehicles are scrapped.
Secondly, it does depend on consumer behaviour. For most of us on this forum, choosing the best energy supplier is a no-brainer, but there are still an awful lot of people who have never switched. This isn't just elderly or vulnerable non-car drivers, I know lots of people who haven't swicthed. If this group haven't even looked at different energy providers what will it take to persuade them to choose a tarriff that saves money on overnight EV charging?
My gut feeling is that although EV ownership will grow rapidly, within the timescale of my existing FIT contract and battery-life (10 to 15 years) the change won't be enough for EVs to have taken over the roads.....
I drive 33000 miles a year and an EV would be ideal for me. The only problem is that I can’t justify an iPace and that’s the only vehicle that tempts me at the moment.4kWp (black/black) - Sofar Inverter - SSE(141°) - 30° pitch - North LincsInstalled June 2013 - PVGIS = 3400Sofar ME3000SP Inverter & 5 x Pylontech US2000B Plus & 3 x US2000C Batteries - 19.2kWh0 -
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Reed_Richards wrote: »What is this huge increase between 15:00 and 15:30 all about?
That's the main premise of the tariff.
https://octopus.energy/agile/
High prices (when UK wide demand is highest) and lower prices at all other times.
So if you can shift your usage away from around 4pm - 7pm you should be better off. So solar and ultimately batteries should help with this for much of the year.17 x 300W panels (5.1kW) on a 3.68kW SolarEdge system in Sunny Sheffield.
12kW Pylontech battery storage system with Lux AC controller
Creator of the Energy Stats UK website and @energystatsuk Twitter Feed0 -
End of school day.Reed_Richards wrote: »What is this huge increase between 15:00 and 15:30 all about?2kWp Solar PV - 10*200W Kioto, SMA Sunny Boy 2000HF, SSE facing, some shading in winter, 37° pitch, installed Jun-2011, inverter replaced Sep-2017 AND Feb-2022.0
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