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    • Piddles
    • By Piddles 23rd May 19, 9:45 AM
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    100% Carbon Neutral Gas Tariffs
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    • 23rd May 19, 9:45 AM
    100% Carbon Neutral Gas Tariffs 23rd May 19 at 9:45 AM
    Being a rather time poor environmentist(ish), I just tick the 100% Renewable Electricity checkbox on the Energy Saving Club form and get the cheapest option.

    I gather 100% carbon neutral gas tariffs are appearing but there's no option for that (Note to the Energy Saving Club staff: can we have one please!).

    I can't find a list of who does it. Has anyone already done the homework on this?
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    • Ectophile
    • By Ectophile 23rd May 19, 10:16 PM
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    • 23rd May 19, 10:16 PM
    Given that gas is a fossil fuel, and it releases CO2 when you burn it, what on Earth is carbon neutral gas?
    If it sticks, force it.
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    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 23rd May 19, 11:23 PM
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    Biogas, cow farts?
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 24th May 19, 6:54 AM
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    Given that gas is a fossil fuel, and it releases CO2 when you burn it, what on Earth is carbon neutral gas?
    Originally posted by Ectophile
    By gas, I assume you mean methane. Only FF methane is a fossil fuel.

    As silverwhistle points out, cow farts (burps) are carbon neutral methane*. There's gas from enclosed pig farms, anaerobic digestion, sewage treatment works etc etc.

    So long as the source of the gas is from the natural cycle, then it's carbon neutral with just a circular route as the gas is burnt, CO2 is released, CO2 is captured by plants, plants are eaten or processed etc etc.

    One source of bio-methane, would be captured CO2 'mixed' with hydrogen that's been produced using RE leccy, giving you the hydrocarbon known as methane.

    Then there's Ecotricity's plans to produce bio-methane at grass mills. If they could build 5,000 then they believe they could provide all the UK's domestic gas demand -that's future gas demand, which will be lower than today due to better build standards and insulation.

    *Actually that takes us to a bigger issue, which is the loss of forestry etc for animal husbandry, and the production of methane from cows, which whilst it breaks down a bit faster than CO2, is a far, far worse greenhouse gas. So it's neutral (eventually) but creates even more complications. Ain't life fun.
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    • Piddles
    • By Piddles 27th May 19, 4:46 PM
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    • 27th May 19, 4:46 PM
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    • 27th May 19, 4:46 PM
    Many thanks for those responses.

    I've done some limited research, but goodness, it's been hard work. The comparison sites are nowhere with this, and the energy companies themselves tend not to be very forthcoming. They do seem well behind the curve of the developing public discourse. I've tried to find a method of contact for the Energy Saving Club to make this point, but couldn't (unless someone knows better). Without the information, it's going to be hard for consumers to make better choices in terms of climate change.

    Should we be talking green gas or 100% carbon neutral gas. I'm not sure.

    All the following have 100% renewable electricity.

    The winners (100% green gas) seems to be Green Energy UK (largely biomethane from anaerobic digestion), but their quote was a budget busting 75% higher than my current supplier. Engie and their Green Fixed Sept 21 V4 Paperless tariff (24% higher).

    Equal second (green gas and carbon offset mix), was Ecotricity (as mentioned by Martyn1981) - 14% green gas with the commitment to go 100% green gas with their own production in the pipeline (but 30% higher cost). Bulb claims 100% carbon neutral gas - or rather 10% green gas with the remaining 90% carbon offset via ClimateCare (5% lower cost). Good Energy 6% biogas, the rest carbon offset (quotation unavailable).

    Equal third (100% carbon offset) Pure Planet (5% lower cost), British Gas Energy Plus Protection Green May 2020 tariff (6% lower cost) and E-on Fix Online Exclusive v2 with Clean 2 (you pay an extra 2 per month over the regular Fix Online Exclusive v2 tariff) (4% lower cost).

    If I've missed any, let me know and I'll add them.

    So.... I'm going with Bulb.
    Last edited by Piddles; 24-06-2019 at 7:07 PM. Reason: Updating with extra info
    • Piddles
    • By Piddles 29th May 19, 2:14 PM
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    • 29th May 19, 2:14 PM
    Added a rather surprising late entrant: British Gas with their Energy Plus Protection Green May 2020 Tariff. 100% carbon offset gas.
    • Piddles
    • By Piddles 3rd Jun 19, 3:08 PM
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    And.... another new entrant: E-on Fix Online Exclusive v2 with Clean 2 (you pay an extra 2 per month over the regular Fix Online Exclusive v2 tariff) 100% renewable electricity and 100% carbon offset gas.

    There was piece on Radio 4 about energy comparison sites and one of the commentators was saying that only a relatively small proportion of users ticked the 100% renewable electricity boxes . But then a lot of the cheapest tariffs were from the smaller suppliers and they were already 100% renewable electricity .
    • Piddles
    • By Piddles 11th Jun 19, 9:31 PM
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    • 11th Jun 19, 9:31 PM
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    • 11th Jun 19, 9:31 PM
    And straight in at Number 1.... Engie and their Green Fixed Sept 21 V4 Paperless tariff with 100% renewable gas. Though at a 24% premium.
    • Piddles
    • By Piddles 24th Jun 19, 7:05 PM
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    • 24th Jun 19, 7:05 PM
    And another....
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    • 24th Jun 19, 7:05 PM
    Into the second place group goes Good Energy. 6% biogas with the rest carbon offset. Their quotation system wasn't working at time of writing. I'll revisit in a couple of days.
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