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    • MusicGirl97
    • By MusicGirl97 30th Aug 18, 6:16 PM
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    Universal Credit Job Search Help and Advice
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    • 30th Aug 18, 6:16 PM
    Universal Credit Job Search Help and Advice 30th Aug 18 at 6:16 PM
    Basically guys, I went to my commitment appointment today for UC, and My work coach seems such a lovely lady and was very informative. Basically she told me I had would have to do 35 hours of job searching a week-which of course I Already knew about. However she also told me that if say one day I have only managed to apply for 1-2 jobs and can't find anything else suitable to apply for, then I could write a note in my journal stating i had done so many hours of job searching; because it goes towards the 35 hours, which I didn't know about. My question is; say if I only applied for 3 jobs one day (which lets say took 3 hours), and then spent 2 hours further job searching without any luck. Would i note this down as having did 5 hours worth of job searching or would I class it as 3 hours? because the applications would have taken 2 hours (just an example).

    thank you for any help I receive regarding this matter.
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    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 9th Feb 19, 5:35 PM
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    Hi all,

    Just wanted to add that filling in a journal daily to show evidence of job search is not a mandatory requirement.Neither is applying for x amount of jobs;that's not stated in any regulation ive come across.

    "Where a claimant has done all that could reasonably be expected of them – for example they
    have applied for all suitable jobs and undertaken all the activities set out in their Claimant
    Commitment - this will be considered sufficient even if the time taken was less than their
    expected hours."


    There is nothing i am aware of that states anywhere that while on UC you have to message your work coach daily, or post to your journal.Others i know just use notepad type up every day and at the end of 1-2 weeks copy and paste the info all into journal.Also note you do not have to use the journal to show job search activities.Check out freedom of information act requests made to dwp on whatdotheyknow.

    3. There is no recorded information on this issue because it is not a legal requirement of
    claiming UC that a claimant provides a mobile phone number or an e-mail address. UC
    can be paid to a claimant without either of these recorded.

    Also bare in mind just because some jobsworth work coach thinks they can just impose what the hell they like on a claimant,they can't.The law is how it is as are the regulations they conveniently like to bypass this if they can.Id advise anyone trapped on this merry go round of UC to get fully acquainted with as many freedom of information requests as possible.They can be very handy pieces of info to have on you when it comes to being bullied by a work roach.


    “It is not a mandatory requirement for the claimant to provide the required work search evidence via their journal. The claimant must be able to provide written evidence of their work search.

    It is not mandatory for the claimant to upload their CV onto the journal, the claimant must however be able to show a completed and up to date CV. ”

    DWP Response

    It is not a mandatory requirement for the claimant to provide the required work search
    evidence via their journal. The claimant must be able to provide written evidence of their work
    search.

    It is not mandatory for the claimant to upload their CV onto the journal, the claimant must
    however be able to show a completed and up to date CV.




    They like to be control freaks.Dont let them.





    Hope this helps others.
    Originally posted by UCvet
    Please define written evidence because mine has actually written into my agreement that i take my log ins for online jobsearch and my email, i arent even on uc either. Therefore they think they can make me log in in front of them so that they can look at my private online accounts. They haven’t actually done it yet though.
    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 10th Feb 19, 9:56 AM
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    Please define written evidence because mine has actually written into my agreement that i take my log ins for online jobsearch and my email, i arent even on uc either. Therefore they think they can make me log in in front of them so that they can look at my private online accounts.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    I must say I'd have disputed that at the time of agreeing the commitment, either that or create a separate email account for jobsearch.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 10th Feb 19, 4:53 PM
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    I must say I'd have disputed that at the time of agreeing the commitment, either that or create a separate email account for jobsearch.
    Originally posted by pmduk
    Occasionally they will review your agreement and ask if you want to change anything. Saying yes is a waste of time because they always refuse to change what you want to change. The question is if they use it to sanction you could you beat it based on the idea of inadmissible evidence or would you still get sanctioned if what they found was iffy. When i say iffy i mean one of the things they like to sanction people for. I have heard of one person being sanctioned because they didn’t spend long enough on each page of jobs on find a job website.
    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 10th Feb 19, 5:46 PM
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    I have heard of one person being sanctioned because they didn’t spend long enough on each page of jobs on find a job website.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    I think they might be a bit of an iffy tale, without tracking software on the PC concerned I don't see a way of them knowing how long you spend on each page of a website.

    I mean no offence to you, it just sounds like one of these urban myths that grows out of nowhere.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 10th Feb 19, 6:04 PM
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    I think they might be a bit of an iffy tale, without tracking software on the PC concerned I don't see a way of them knowing how long you spend on each page of a website.

    I mean no offence to you, it just sounds like one of these urban myths that grows out of nowhere.
    Originally posted by pmduk
    On find a job everything is timed. It says what time you were on each page of jobs. So for example if you were on page 1 at 5.53pm and then page 2 at 5.54pm they may argue you didnt spend long enough looking at the jobs. This is surely beatable isnt it because theres no stipulation on how long you spend doing any one task except maybe in total which is 35 hours on uc.
    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 11th Feb 19, 6:31 AM
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    Thank goodness I've always maintained good relationships with work coaches. Fortunately, I've never had an issue, touch wood.
    • tomtom256
    • By tomtom256 11th Feb 19, 9:24 AM
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    On find a job everything is timed. It says what time you were on each page of jobs. So for example if you were on page 1 at 5.53pm and then page 2 at 5.54pm they may argue you didnt spend long enough looking at the jobs. This is surely beatable isnt it because theres no stipulation on how long you spend doing any one task except maybe in total which is 35 hours on uc.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    But work coaches don't have access to this to see what you are or aren't doing. Talk about scaremongering.
    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 11th Feb 19, 9:51 AM
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    But work coaches don't have access to this to see what you are or aren't doing. Talk about scaremongering.
    Originally posted by tomtom256
    If you read the thread the WC had demanded all logins as part of the jobseeker's commitment.
    • tomtom256
    • By tomtom256 11th Feb 19, 12:49 PM
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    If you read the thread the WC had demanded all logins as part of the jobseeker's commitment.
    Originally posted by pmduk
    Yes which would go against DWP policy, they can only request the customer to login in front of the WC on a WAD, which they can refuse, they cannot demand to be given login details and passwords.

    I also don't believe that Find a Job would keep a record of this in a log on the customers account for anybody to see.

    So as I say, scaremongering.
    • MarkN88
    • By MarkN88 11th Feb 19, 3:16 PM
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    Find a Job records the individual job adverts you have viewed, on what date and the time, it also records the searches you have made, for example it will say "Newcastle Page 2" and next to it states the date and time viewed. So therefore it is easy to see how long you spend on each page because you can work it out from looking at the times.

    However, that doesn't suggest you are not spending enough time on pages, if you look at that page and move on a minute later that is because the job titles are not relevant to you, so of course your not spending more time on the page.

    As already mentioned work coaches do not have access to your account anyway.

    I don't claim UC I claim JSA but I'm still asked for evidence, so all I do is screenshot the confirmation emails and screens when I have applied for a job on my phone, and even if I have completed it on a computer or my laptop I just access my emails on my phone and screenshot the email, I then save them all in photos in a folder called Jobs and my coach looks at it every fortnight.

    I also take any letters I have received confirming anything, offering interviews or rejections and any jobs I want to emphasise that I have applied for I print the email and take that.

    Remember too that your work coach will want to know you have spent your time on job seeking activities not just applying for jobs, so the total time they ask you to spend doing stuff is meant to mean time spent on job seeking activities not just applying for jobs.

    E.G.

    1. Updating CV and creating cover letters
    2. Company research
    3. Careers appointments
    4. Attending interviews
    5. Completing courses, at college or distance learning
    6. Voluntary work
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 11th Feb 19, 4:35 PM
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    Thank goodness I've always maintained good relationships with work coaches. Fortunately, I've never had an issue, touch wood.
    Originally posted by pmduk
    Work coaches vary. Some are unscrupulous. I guess no matter how correct you are some may still try anything.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 11th Feb 19, 4:43 PM
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    But work coaches don't have access to this to see what you are or aren't doing. Talk about scaremongering.
    Originally posted by tomtom256
    They have put in my agreement that i will take my log in details to signing with me so that they can make me log in so that they can have a look. They havent done it yet but somebody told me they had been sanctioned for supposedly not spending long enough on each page. Of course i dont know the whole story. Perhaps they had not applied for anything saying there wasnt anything suitable. That could lead to such a situation i guess.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 11th Feb 19, 4:47 PM
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    Yes which would go against DWP policy, they can only request the customer to login in front of the WC on a WAD, which they can refuse, they cannot demand to be given login details and passwords.

    I also don't believe that Find a Job would keep a record of this in a log on the customers account for anybody to see.

    So as I say, scaremongering.
    Originally posted by tomtom256
    On find a job you have 3 sections, jobs viewed, job searches and applications. In each it records the time by each action you do. So logging in in front of them would allow them to see everything you do including the timings.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 11th Feb 19, 5:09 PM
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    Find a Job records the individual job adverts you have viewed, on what date and the time, it also records the searches you have made, for example it will say "Newcastle Page 2" and next to it states the date and time viewed. So therefore it is easy to see how long you spend on each page because you can work it out from looking at the times.

    However, that doesn't suggest you are not spending enough time on pages, if you look at that page and move on a minute later that is because the job titles are not relevant to you, so of course your not spending more time on the page.

    As already mentioned work coaches do not have access to your account anyway.

    I don't claim UC I claim JSA but I'm still asked for evidence, so all I do is screenshot the confirmation emails and screens when I have applied for a job on my phone, and even if I have completed it on a computer or my laptop I just access my emails on my phone and screenshot the email, I then save them all in photos in a folder called Jobs and my coach looks at it every fortnight.

    I also take any letters I have received confirming anything, offering interviews or rejections and any jobs I want to emphasise that I have applied for I print the email and take that.

    Remember too that your work coach will want to know you have spent your time on job seeking activities not just applying for jobs, so the total time they ask you to spend doing stuff is meant to mean time spent on job seeking activities not just applying for jobs.

    E.G.

    1. Updating CV and creating cover letters
    2. Company research
    3. Careers appointments
    4. Attending interviews
    5. Completing courses, at college or distance learning
    6. Voluntary work
    Originally posted by MarkN88
    Showing screen shots is not much different to showing your account really. Plus I dont tell them i have a mobile as that makes for an easy sanction if they phone you on it and you miss the call. They can use it as a basis of not being contactable. Whereas if they just have your home number they cant possibly argue that you should be there at all times to answer calls.
    • MarkN88
    • By MarkN88 11th Feb 19, 6:40 PM
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    I just personally find the screenshots easier.

    Plus you are evidencing what you have applied for and not giving them the opportunity to look at search logs.

    Anyway if they tried that with me it wouldn’t work as I never use it there’s never anything on it.

    My work coach even agrees. So she’s aware she would find no search history if she checked.
    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 12th Feb 19, 7:39 AM
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    I don't even use Find a Job, I have several searches set up on it and then use the daily emails from that. Nothing gets recorded as I don't sign into the site, where possible, I apply directly to the employer.
    • MarkN88
    • By MarkN88 12th Feb 19, 8:21 AM
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    So what does your work coach accept from you as evidence?
    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 12th Feb 19, 10:13 AM
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    I have a word document and I just add daily to that with a list of what I've done. TBH, my circumstances are such they understood that I was unlikely to find work following a road accident and offered to waive worksearch requirements during the 18 months or so of rehab.

    I wanted to maintain it to keep me in a 'work state of mind', perhaps this has helped their relaxed approach with me.
    • MarkN88
    • By MarkN88 12th Feb 19, 1:01 PM
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    It is mad how different work coaches accept different things as evidence and what they expect of people, It would be better if it was more consistent for everyone, bit they should always take into account everyone's individual circumstances.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 12th Feb 19, 5:21 PM
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    I just personally find the screenshots easier.

    Plus you are evidencing what you have applied for and not giving them the opportunity to look at search logs.

    Anyway if they tried that with me it wouldn’t work as I never use it there’s never anything on it.

    My work coach even agrees. So she’s aware she would find no search history if she checked.
    Originally posted by MarkN88
    You are lucky because most even reasonable ones usually expect people to use it.
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