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    • MusicGirl97
    • By MusicGirl97 30th Aug 18, 7:16 PM
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    Universal Credit Job Search Help and Advice
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    • 30th Aug 18, 7:16 PM
    Universal Credit Job Search Help and Advice 30th Aug 18 at 7:16 PM
    Basically guys, I went to my commitment appointment today for UC, and My work coach seems such a lovely lady and was very informative. Basically she told me I had would have to do 35 hours of job searching a week-which of course I Already knew about. However she also told me that if say one day I have only managed to apply for 1-2 jobs and can't find anything else suitable to apply for, then I could write a note in my journal stating i had done so many hours of job searching; because it goes towards the 35 hours, which I didn't know about. My question is; say if I only applied for 3 jobs one day (which lets say took 3 hours), and then spent 2 hours further job searching without any luck. Would i note this down as having did 5 hours worth of job searching or would I class it as 3 hours? because the applications would have taken 2 hours (just an example).

    thank you for any help I receive regarding this matter.
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    • By Ineededaname 30th Aug 18, 8:56 PM
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    Essentially you are just providing a record of what you are doing to look for work and an estimate of the time you have spent. For your specific question you could absolutely record 5 hours, as that would be the time you have spent. You could provide information such as what websites you used and what searches you ran, jobs you found and then which ones you have applied for.

    You can also record anything else you do, it does not just have to be internet job search. If you research how to improve and update your CV, write a cover letter for a position, fill in a paper based application form, pop into your local shop with a CV, ask your mum if she's aware of any jobs, prepare for /travel /attend an interview...etc etc

    I'm sure the coach will discuss things with you if they don't feel you are doing enough. I wouldn't stress too much, as long as you are looking for work and can provide evidence and discuss this with your coach you should be fine.
    • MusicGirl97
    • By MusicGirl97 1st Sep 18, 9:06 PM
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    Just to ask, when it comes to providing evidence to show my job search and applications. Would that just be classed as me noting them down in my journal or at my work search review appointment would I actually have to show emails from the company’s ive applied to etc?!
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    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/720614/admj3.pdf

    paragraph J3102 Evidence of work search includes
    1. evidence from employers, employment agencies or other bodies that the claimant has contacted
    2. the claimant’s activity on Universal Jobmatch
    3. copies of letters or applications that the claimant has sent to employers on-
    line, by post or in person
    4. the claimant's uncorroborated written evidence (claimants should keep a record of their job search and other efforts to find work)
    5. the claimant's own verbal evidence, recorded by an officer of the Jobcentre Plus office.
    • annandale
    • By annandale 2nd Sep 18, 1:18 PM
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    I have been on UC 18 months. I have never been asked to show evidence, copies of letters. There is no such thing as universal jobmatch anymore. Monster lost the contract and the work coach now cannot see your jobsearch online. They used to be able to. If you apply for a job on indeed you will get an email acknowledgement. I cant remember the last time I applied for a job online. My work coaches have been happy as long as I have recorded in my journal daily and listed the websites I have been searching on.

    They also said that they do not expect someone to show a complete breakdown of a 35 hour a week search as that is unrealistic, just that you are making a decent effort (but some people are more pedantic and will expect that).
    • MusicGirl97
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    Thank you very much for your reply. Wel I’ve basically been listing all the websites I’ve been using underneath the notes when I’ve been adding a job on the job applications section. But also in my journal every day I have just been stating how many hours I spent job searching and made sure I put a date on there.

    For example: 2/09/2018-I have spent 4 hours job searching and applying for jobs today using various websites e.g. indeed.com, totaljobs, find a job.gov.uk

    Basically I’ve been putting that sort of thing in my journal everyday. But I don’t know if that’s correct or not lol. Like to word and display it that way.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 2nd Sep 18, 6:48 PM
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    Basically guys, I went to my commitment appointment today for UC, and My work coach seems such a lovely lady and was very informative. Basically she told me I had would have to do 35 hours of job searching a week-which of course I Already knew about. However she also told me that if say one day I have only managed to apply for 1-2 jobs and can't find anything else suitable to apply for, then I could write a note in my journal stating i had done so many hours of job searching; because it goes towards the 35 hours, which I didn't know about. My question is; say if I only applied for 3 jobs one day (which lets say took 3 hours), and then spent 2 hours further job searching without any luck. Would i note this down as having did 5 hours worth of job searching or would I class it as 3 hours? because the applications would have taken 2 hours (just an example).

    thank you for any help I receive regarding this matter.
    Originally posted by MusicGirl97
    I am sure it has been said but i will say anyway. The requirement is 35 hours of any job seeking related activity. So it can include attending courses, attending the jobcentre, researching a job, updating your cv, preparing for an interview etc. Upto half can be voluntary work. Travel time is included also i believe.
    Silly requirements like this minimum 35 hours thing just encourages dishonesty and distracts peoples focus from quality jobseeking. Instead it becomes a tick box exercise. For example if you are 30 minutes short and nothing left to do comes to mind what are you going to do? Well you can tell the truth and get sanctioned or just say you took 30 minutes longer on one of your applications.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 2nd Sep 18, 6:54 PM
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    I have been on UC 18 months. I have never been asked to show evidence, copies of letters. There is no such thing as universal jobmatch anymore. Monster lost the contract and the work coach now cannot see your jobsearch online. They used to be able to. If you apply for a job on indeed you will get an email acknowledgement. I cant remember the last time I applied for a job online. My work coaches have been happy as long as I have recorded in my journal daily and listed the websites I have been searching on.

    They also said that they do not expect someone to show a complete breakdown of a 35 hour a week search as that is unrealistic, just that you are making a decent effort (but some people are more pedantic and will expect that).
    Originally posted by annandale
    Personally i would choose to show a break down and say i spent 2 hrs on this, 1hr on that. This is because if you just state what you did with no timings it leaves it open to negative interpretation by an unscrupulous advisor. Of course i am speaking as someone who has not experienced uc yet.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 2nd Sep 18, 6:58 PM
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    I have a question about uc.
    With the online journal do you have to be seen to put something in it everyday or can you do it weekly or even monthly so long as it is upto date by the day your payment is issued.
    I am just thinking you could be ill one day and make up the hours on another day. Or your internet could go down.
    • MusicGirl97
    • By MusicGirl97 2nd Sep 18, 8:50 PM
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    Donnajunkie basically I just post on my journal everyday. And I think they wouldn’t mind that at all, for example if you did one journal entry that had 2 days worth of work search on it.

    And as for breaking the hours down, I started off doing that but then it becomes too annoying. So I tend to just say how many hours I spent searching and applying for jobs and then if I was updating a cover letter or something like that I would say underneath how long I took to do that.

    I have another question; obviously I have to do 35 hours a week which is 7 days. Anyways on Thursday which would be the last day of my job search hours for that week. I have an appointment, so would the advisor expect me to have my 35 hours complete by the morning appointment? Or by the end of That day?
    • annandale
    • By annandale 2nd Sep 18, 10:33 PM
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    Personally i would choose to show a break down and say i spent 2 hrs on this, 1hr on that. This is because if you just state what you did with no timings it leaves it open to negative interpretation by an unscrupulous advisor. Of course i am speaking as someone who has not experienced uc yet.
    I have been told I do not have to do this and I have been on UC since last January. I record searches for jobs and jobs applied for. If a work coach wanted me to do it another way, I would do it another way.

    My work coach said its fine as long as I show that I am applying for a decent number of jobs and that he does not expect every minute of the 35 hour a week search to be accounted for. That that is unrealistic.

    With the online journal do you have to be seen to put something in it everyday or can you do it weekly or even monthly so long as it is upto date by the day your payment is issued.
    My work coach expects 5/7, they would be concerned about a large gap, say 4-5 days or so. They aren't interested if your internet goes down, they would expect you use a friends PC or go to the library or use the job centre computers if you are near enough to use them.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 3rd Sep 18, 6:18 PM
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    Donnajunkie basically I just post on my journal everyday. And I think they wouldn’t mind that at all, for example if you did one journal entry that had 2 days worth of work search on it.

    And as for breaking the hours down, I started off doing that but then it becomes too annoying. So I tend to just say how many hours I spent searching and applying for jobs and then if I was updating a cover letter or something like that I would say underneath how long I took to do that.

    I have another question; obviously I have to do 35 hours a week which is 7 days. Anyways on Thursday which would be the last day of my job search hours for that week. I have an appointment, so would the advisor expect me to have my 35 hours complete by the morning appointment? Or by the end of That day?
    Originally posted by MusicGirl97
    I am not on uc but off the top of my head it could be quite easy to fill 5 hours and demonstrate it. For example spent one hour jobseeking, spent two hours working on an application then spent another two hours working on another application.
    Does it specify the hours must be done across each of the 7 days or could you do the hours monday to friday? Regarding your question with jsa i would show upto the end of the previous day. Signing day activity would be day one of the next period of jobseeking, afterall your appointment could be at 9am so not really possible to get 5 hours in beforehand for that day. However i would check as there maybe criteria that affects that thinking that i am not aware of.
    Last edited by donnajunkie; 03-09-2018 at 6:28 PM.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 3rd Sep 18, 6:27 PM
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    I have been told I do not have to do this and I have been on UC since last January. I record searches for jobs and jobs applied for. If a work coach wanted me to do it another way, I would do it another way.

    My work coach said its fine as long as I show that I am applying for a decent number of jobs and that he does not expect every minute of the 35 hour a week search to be accounted for. That that is unrealistic.
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    My work coach expects 5/7, they would be concerned about a large gap, say 4-5 days or so. They aren't interested if your internet goes down, they would expect you use a friends PC or go to the library or use the job centre computers if you are near enough to use them.
    Originally posted by annandale
    My thinking reagrding showing timings is more to cover yourself. For example if you dedicate 5 hours to applying for 3 jobs and say what time each took you are more covered than just writing down the 3 jobs because a bad advisor might say you could have done them in 2 hours. Of course this could just be overly paranoid and as you say, what you do has been fine for you.
    Thanks for the answer to my question. I guess what i wonder is is it defined in the rules how often you must update your journal.
    • annandale
    • By annandale 4th Sep 18, 1:17 AM
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    The thing is. It does not take 3 hours to apply for a job on certain websites. If you have a cv on indeed it takes less than a minute if your cv is tailored to the job. My experience is is that as long as I have been applying for a decent number of jobs every week or fortnight and logging into my account regularly they are fine with that. It takes longer to fill in some applications yes. But that tends to be with external applications. For example if I apply for 30 jobs in a week my work coach isn’t going to split hairs as to how long that took me. If I applied for ten they might. And also. There are often very slow times. Where very little new is posted. So you will be recording more searches than applications
    • annandale
    • By annandale 4th Sep 18, 1:18 AM
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    No. It’s not defined in the rules. It very much depends on your work coach.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 4th Sep 18, 6:22 PM
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    The thing is. It does not take 3 hours to apply for a job on certain websites. If you have a cv on indeed it takes less than a minute if your cv is tailored to the job. My experience is is that as long as I have been applying for a decent number of jobs every week or fortnight and logging into my account regularly they are fine with that. It takes longer to fill in some applications yes. But that tends to be with external applications. For example if I apply for 30 jobs in a week my work coach isnt going to split hairs as to how long that took me. If I applied for ten they might. And also. There are often very slow times. Where very little new is posted. So you will be recording more searches than applications
    Originally posted by annandale
    I have known people to dedicate a whole day to one application. When i attended an info session about uc it was made clear that they expect people to do more than just click the apply button. Although they were a bit unscrupulous and claimed you must show printouts or emails of every single thing you do. I am not disagreeing here just throwing some thoughts and experiences into the discussion.
    • annandale
    • By annandale 5th Sep 18, 9:28 AM
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    If I applied for as little as 7 jobs in a week because I spent an entire day on one application I would be looking at a potential sanction. That is the reality of it. Most work coaches would expect more than one application to be submitted per day.
    • MusicGirl97
    • By MusicGirl97 5th Sep 18, 4:08 PM
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    I have spoken to a friend that is on universal credit and he did say that it depends fully on the workcoach. As in, some work coaches want you To break down the 5 hours and say exactly what you were doing for each hour. However some don’t. He’s had two work coaches and one was very strict and needed a complete break down but the newest one he has, she just basically looks at his job application section and journal section and makes sure he’s spent at least 5 different days applying for a couple of jobs each day and she’s happy!

    But he told me not to worry because it’s my first work search appointment tomorrow and she will correct me about the way she expects it to be. And as for applications I haven’t been saying it took an hour to do every application but when I apply on the official company websites it does often take me an hour because I constantly have to amend my CV as I apply and I do cover letters for every application. I applied for Royal Mail the other day and it was such a big application and it took me an hour and a half to complete it. But I will make sure to take note of what she expects to be written in the journal.

    I imagine next week I will be making a lot of journal entries saying I spent more time searching than applying. Because I’ve applied for a lot this week and some of the same adverts will be there next week of course.
    • UCvet
    • By UCvet 9th Feb 19, 3:11 PM
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    Hi all,

    Just wanted to add that filling in a journal daily to show evidence of job search is not a mandatory requirement.Neither is applying for x amount of jobs;that's not stated in any regulation ive come across.

    "Where a claimant has done all that could reasonably be expected of them – for example they
    have applied for all suitable jobs and undertaken all the activities set out in their Claimant
    Commitment - this will be considered sufficient even if the time taken was less than their
    expected hours."


    There is nothing i am aware of that states anywhere that while on UC you have to message your work coach daily, or post to your journal.Others i know just use notepad type up every day and at the end of 1-2 weeks copy and paste the info all into journal.Also note you do not have to use the journal to show job search activities.Check out freedom of information act requests made to dwp on whatdotheyknow.

    3. There is no recorded information on this issue because it is not a legal requirement of
    claiming UC that a claimant provides a mobile phone number or an e-mail address. UC
    can be paid to a claimant without either of these recorded.

    Also bare in mind just because some jobsworth work coach thinks they can just impose what the hell they like on a claimant,they can't.The law is how it is as are the regulations they conveniently like to bypass this if they can.Id advise anyone trapped on this merry go round of UC to get fully acquainted with as many freedom of information requests as possible.They can be very handy pieces of info to have on you when it comes to being bullied by a work roach.


    “It is not a mandatory requirement for the claimant to provide the required work search evidence via their journal. The claimant must be able to provide written evidence of their work search.

    It is not mandatory for the claimant to upload their CV onto the journal, the claimant must however be able to show a completed and up to date CV. ”

    DWP Response

    It is not a mandatory requirement for the claimant to provide the required work search
    evidence via their journal. The claimant must be able to provide written evidence of their work
    search.

    It is not mandatory for the claimant to upload their CV onto the journal, the claimant must
    however be able to show a completed and up to date CV.




    They like to be control freaks.Dont let them.





    Hope this helps others.
    Last edited by UCvet; 09-02-2019 at 3:21 PM.
    • tomtom256
    • By tomtom256 9th Feb 19, 5:56 PM
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    Hi all,

    Just wanted to add that filling in a journal daily to show evidence of job search is not a mandatory requirement.Neither is applying for x amount of jobs;that's not stated in any regulation ive come across.

    "Where a claimant has done all that could reasonably be expected of them for example they
    have applied for all suitable jobs and undertaken all the activities set out in their Claimant
    Commitment - this will be considered sufficient even if the time taken was less than their
    expected hours."


    There is nothing i am aware of that states anywhere that while on UC you have to message your work coach daily, or post to your journal.Others i know just use notepad type up every day and at the end of 1-2 weeks copy and paste the info all into journal.Also note you do not have to use the journal to show job search activities.Check out freedom of information act requests made to dwp on whatdotheyknow.

    3. There is no recorded information on this issue because it is not a legal requirement of
    claiming UC that a claimant provides a mobile phone number or an e-mail address. UC
    can be paid to a claimant without either of these recorded.

    Also bare in mind just because some jobsworth work coach thinks they can just impose what the hell they like on a claimant,they can't.The law is how it is as are the regulations they conveniently like to bypass this if they can.Id advise anyone trapped on this merry go round of UC to get fully acquainted with as many freedom of information requests as possible.They can be very handy pieces of info to have on you when it comes to being bullied by a work roach.


    It is not a mandatory requirement for the claimant to provide the required work search evidence via their journal. The claimant must be able to provide written evidence of their work search.

    It is not mandatory for the claimant to upload their CV onto the journal, the claimant must however be able to show a completed and up to date CV.

    DWP Response

    It is not a mandatory requirement for the claimant to provide the required work search
    evidence via their journal. The claimant must be able to provide written evidence of their work
    search.

    It is not mandatory for the claimant to upload their CV onto the journal, the claimant must
    however be able to show a completed and up to date CV.




    They like to be control freaks.Dont let them.





    Hope this helps others.
    Originally posted by UCvet
    What a thread resurrection.

    No you don't have to provide it via journal, but as you have to provide evidence, why not just use the tool given and make easy for yourself?

    Same goes for the CV, why not just upload?

    Have you ever thought it was a test to check your IT skills and/or generally just help you to get used to using IT, which in turn would actually help some claimants get better at IT and in turn help with job searches etc.
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