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Is this an HMO?

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  • 00ec25
    00ec25 Posts: 9,123 Forumite
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    yes you will have a large HMO wef Oct 18


    to repeat my post on your other thread:

    the law was enacted in May 2018 with implementation from 1 Oct 18 and applies the definition from that date to all properties. The grace period originally mentioned at consultation stage has been removed


    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2018/616/made


    all you had to do was google "changes to HMO in 2018" there are plenty of websites that cover it


    https://news.rla.org.uk/extension-of-mandatory-hmo-licensing-set-for-october-2018/


    https://www.cieh.org/media/1798/david-smith.pdf


    https://www.insidepropertyinvesting.com/new-hmo-rules-licensing-2018-official/
  • Comms69
    Comms69 Posts: 14,229 Forumite
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    bobwilson wrote: »
    I'd rather rely on gov website, hence why I'm asking for a link to back up anyone's position.

    If you think the council offer 100% certainty then you've obviously never spoken to people who work at a council. Thanks for telling me not to ask the question on this forum though, I'll ask where ever I like though. Thanks


    That wasn't the question. If you can't answer the question, why are you posting? Go away.



    How to make friends and influence people....
  • bobwilson
    bobwilson Posts: 595 Forumite
    Comms69 wrote: »
    How to make friends and influence people....

    If you think I'm here to make friends & influence people then you misunderstood the op. It's a simple question. If you can't answer it, why are you posting on this thread?
  • bobwilson
    bobwilson Posts: 595 Forumite
    edited 10 August 2018 at 1:02PM
    00ec25 wrote: »
    yes you will have a large HMO wef Oct 18

    ...

    the law was enacted in May 2018 with implementation from 1 Oct 18 and applies the definition from that date to all properties. The grace period originally mentioned at consultation stage has been removed


    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2018/616/made


    all you had to do was google "changes to HMO in 2018" there are plenty of websites that cover it


    https://news.rla.org.uk/extension-of-mandatory-hmo-licensing-set-for-october-2018/


    https://www.cieh.org/media/1798/david-smith.pdf


    https://www.insidepropertyinvesting.com/new-hmo-rules-licensing-2018-official/

    Congratulations! You're the first person to attempt to answer the question. Your gov link doesn't state it's an HMO. From what I can read of your gov link, it says 5 unrelated tenants sharing kitchen or bathroom form a large HMO. Since this is 4 unrelated tenants sharing, what makes you think it's a large HMO?

    The last 3 links on your post are hear-say, since they're not gov info. If ever it came into question, you can't argue with the government "but insidepropertyinvesting.com says this". That's why the op asked for only government links.
  • Comms69
    Comms69 Posts: 14,229 Forumite
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    bobwilson wrote: »
    If you think I'm here to make friends & influence people then you misunderstood the op. It's a simple question. If you can't answer it, why are you posting on this thread?


    Because I don't like it when people waste others time:


    There's a 5th tenant in an independent annexe within the grounds. It has its own kitchen & bathroom, the tenant walks through the garden gate to reach it (not through the house).

    Since we're considering renting out an annexe, they obviously aren't "entitled" to use it, otherwise we wouldn't be asking. In fact the annexe isn't built yet. We won't build it if it's going to make us fall within a licensable HMO.


    These time travelling tenants must be a nightmare!
  • bobwilson
    bobwilson Posts: 595 Forumite
    Comms69 wrote: »
    Because I don't like it when people waste others time:

    Then stop wasting my time.
  • Comms69
    Comms69 Posts: 14,229 Forumite
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    bobwilson wrote: »
    Then stop wasting my time.

    You’re wasting your own time by editing your posts to make it appear as though everyone is wrong...
  • Your home is a large HMO if all of the following apply: it's at least 3 storeys high. at least 5 tenants live there, forming more than 1 household. you share toilet, bathroom or kitchen facilities with other tenants.



    That is the definition given on the gov website.


    How tall is your building?

    Do all your tenants have use of all the facilities included within both the annexe and the main property or is the annexe separately occupied by just 1 tenant?
    in S 38 T 2 F 50
    out S 36 T 9 F 24 FF 4

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  • bobwilson
    bobwilson Posts: 595 Forumite
    Comms69 wrote: »
    You’re wasting your own time by editing your posts to make it appear as though everyone is wrong...

    I'm editing my post to clarify the question. This isn't a competition about who is right or wrong- if you don't know the answer, you don't need to post.
  • bobwilson
    bobwilson Posts: 595 Forumite
    Your home is a large HMO if all of the following apply: it's at least 3 storeys high. at least 5 tenants live there, forming more than 1 household. you share toilet, bathroom or kitchen facilities with other tenants.

    That is the definition given on the gov website.

    Do all your tenants have use of all the facilities included within both the annexe and the main property or is the annexe separately occupied by just 1 tenant?

    Good! You're the second person to answer the actual question :) That's what I've read as well, but it turns out that gov. website information will be out of date as of oct 2018 (1 month's time). New rules come out in oct.

    "independent" means it's separately occupied by just 1 or 2 tenants (couple).

    According to these rules, you could in theory have 5 bedrooms over 3 levels with ensuite bathrooms, no shared facilities & a microwave in each one- and they still wouldn't be a large HMO. Is that right?
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