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  • moonrakerz
    Oh I see, Is this something I'm stuck with or can I change over to night and day rates like most people seem to be on? The meter was fitted only a couple of months ago by british gas but we are about to change to Eon for both fuels, do Eon do a day and night rate and if so would that mean another meter installation?
    Originally posted by mikeopvc
    If you wish to go onto Economy 7, or similar, you will need two meters. BUT... this only becomes economical if you use a lot of electricity at night, storage heaters etc, because you will pay more for your daytime units than you would on a single rate !
  • espresso
    If you wish to go onto Economy 7, or similar, you will need two meters.

    Usually only one meter that records two sets of readings.

    BUT... this only becomes economical if you use a lot of electricity at night, storage heaters etc, because you will pay more for your daytime units than you would on a single rate !

    Define a lot. It varies from region to region an supplier to supplier but with some the break even point is only 10% night units.
    Originally posted by moonrakerz
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    • mikeopvc
    • By mikeopvc 18th Mar 08, 3:34 PM
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    mikeopvc
    Basically best to just stay on single rate and turn off everything at night, inc costly under floor heating.
    Why the heck I've had it on during the night for the last 3 months I'll never know, oh well another lesson learnt. DOH!
  • sharoncs
    Ive used 2500+ for electricty from 14 Dec to 12 March - I take it this is too high?! I've only got a 2 bed terrace thats empty all day!
    • burnsguitarman
    • By burnsguitarman 18th Mar 08, 4:12 PM
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    burnsguitarman
    Any economy 7 meter (you will have 2 dials) works by having a tariff for day rate which is higher than non E7, and automatically switches over to night rates (which are cheaper) at a pre determined time set by your supplier. These tariffs are only suitable for someone having storage heaters or similar. These heat up over the night period and release the heat during the day. If you don't have storage heaters and dont use lots of electricity for any thing else overnight, you will certainly be paying more than you need for your electricity. In which case you need to speak to your supplier about changing tariffs as soon as possible.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 18th Mar 08, 4:46 PM
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    Cardew
    Ive used 2500+ for electricty from 14 Dec to 12 March - I take it this is too high?! I've only got a 2 bed terrace thats empty all day!
    Originally posted by sharoncs
    The size of your property doesn't affect electricity consumption if you don't use electricity for heating.

    If 2,500kWh(units) in 3 months excludes heating and Hot water then it is very high - about 3 times national average.

    If it does include heating and HW then it is good.
  • moonrakerz
    ........... Originally Posted by moonrakerz
    If you wish to go onto Economy 7, or similar, you will need two meters.

    Usually only one meter that records two sets of readings.

    BUT... this only becomes economical if you use a lot of electricity at night, storage heaters etc, because you will pay more for your daytime units than you would on a single rate !

    Define a lot. It varies from region to region an supplier to supplier but with some the break even point is only 10% night units.

    ....
    Originally posted by espresso
    I used to be pedantic, but I just nit-pick now ! :rolleyes:
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 18th Mar 08, 7:38 PM
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    Cardew
    Define a lot. It varies from region to region an supplier to supplier but with some the break even point is only 10% night units.
    :rolleyes:
    Originally posted by moonrakerz
    Hey moonrakerz,

    Can I join in the nitpicking mode?

    I have never seen a figure as low as 10%, but of course will take your word that it is possible. I would be interested to see that tariff and consumption some time though.

    So entering 'nitpicking mode' !!

    The break even point often is irrelevant, what matters is the overall cost.

    i.e. there is no point in selecting a tariff with a 10% break even point and paying, say, £500pa on your consumption, when a tariff with a 20% break even point costs you, say, £450 for the same level of consumption.

    To illustrate I am on a fixed tariff that is probably the cheapest in UK, yet for my level of consumption the break even point is 36%. Going to another tariff with a 10% break even point would cost me more overall.

    Actually I did once try to work out some figures on the question of 'break even point' but it gets immensely complicated with all the variable factors; so - I gave up.
    • mikeopvc
    • By mikeopvc 18th Mar 08, 8:03 PM
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    mikeopvc
    Can I nitpick too, I'm obsessed with kwh usage now. I've been switching things off and on in my house to see how fast the little red light on my meter flashes, I found that using all 4 electric hobs makes it flash at a rate of 2 per second. Based on this evidence I think it may be less expensive to go out for a sunday roast.
  • espresso
    Can I nitpick too, I'm obsessed with kwh usage now. I've been switching things off and on in my house to see how fast the little red light on my meter flashes, I found that using all 4 electric hobs makes it flash at a rate of 2 per second. Based on this evidence I think it may be less expensive to go out for a sunday roast.
    Originally posted by mikeopvc
    It should be stated on the meter but normally they flash at a rate of 1000 flashes per kWh. If you check the wattage figures for your four electric hobs, your meter flashes should agree.



    I do enjoy my Sunday roast though!


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  • moonrakerz
    I have never seen a figure as low as 10%, but of course will take your word that it is possible. I would be interested to see that tariff and consumption some time though.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    Actually, the 10% figure wasn't mine; the "quote" function wouldn't let me "quote" a "quote", so I had to cut and paste. My text is in the black, espresso's in red.

    While we are in full nit-picking mode ! to respond fully to espresso's post:-

    1. You do have TWO meters for Economy 7 - you can't get two readings off one meter ! the two meters may well be in the same housing but they are still two meters.
    In the stone age when I was a lad, you used to have two separate housings, one black and one white if I remember.
    2. My use of the word "lot" came from the fact that the OP didn't seem to use much power at night so the usage would have to increase a "lot" by the use of storage heaters or such to make it worthwhile.

    I hope you were paying attention, because I may be asking questions later !
    • mikeopvc
    • By mikeopvc 18th Mar 08, 8:36 PM
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    Electric hobs were inherited so can't check, I'll turn them all back on and count a thousand flashes and see if the reading changes. lol
    • noonesperfect
    • By noonesperfect 18th Mar 08, 8:53 PM
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    noonesperfect
    We seem to be rather high users in spite of being fairly careful
    We have no gas so use oil central heating boiler to heat water in the summer as well as through the winter for heating/water. Immersion has been broken for years so we don't use that.
    We do have several 300w security halogens which are expensive. None of our appliances are all that new so they're probably not as cheap to run as the newer stuff. I use tumble drier as sparingly as possible.
    There's someone in 24/7 so the kettle is on regularly!

    22.5kw average over 400+ days
  • farhad1965
    Ours is 17.42 kilowatt hours per day. 4 people in a 4 bed detached house.

    • sheilavw
    • By sheilavw 18th Mar 08, 9:01 PM
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    sheilavw
    When our last bill came we were averaging 40 units a day. I queried it and they said you must be all electric you are using double the average family. No I said. The culprit was an oil fired keeping conservatory warm, we had it on all the time, the meter was whizzing round. We have now put a timer on it, Using now about 20 or slightly more on a weekend.
    • mikeopvc
    • By mikeopvc 18th Mar 08, 9:05 PM
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    mikeopvc
    I got you all beat with my 30 a day habit, I actually should start a new site.
    MONEY WASTING EXPERT
    Serious detective work going on at my house tommorrow, theres got to be a hidden immersion on constant or something similar.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 18th Mar 08, 9:09 PM
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    Cardew
    Actually, the 10% figure wasn't mine; the "quote" function wouldn't let me "quote" a "quote", so I had to cut and paste. My text is in the black, espresso's in red.
    Originally posted by moonrakerz
    You did WHAT!

    That is simply not cricket old chap.
  • sassybabee33
    Checked again today, husband says im obsessed,lol! Last 24 hours used 12 units,thats more like it!

    I just put it down to there being 6 of us in a 4 bed detatched house.
    • mikeopvc
    • By mikeopvc 19th Mar 08, 9:38 AM
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    mikeopvc
    sassybabee33, my says I'm obsessed too. I have the meter cupboard door open to monitor the reading and also the flash rate of the red light. If I see it flashing rapidly I'm like "whos got something switched on? turn it off your wasting electric" Very sad I know but I'm really baffled by my high usage, I've used 14 units since 6pm last night.
  • espresso
    Can I join in the nitpicking mode?

    I have never seen a figure as low as 10%, but of course will take your word that it is possible. I would be interested to see that tariff and consumption some time though.

    The tariff was EDF Seaboard in this recent thread here.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    Actually, the 10% figure wasn't mine; the "quote" function wouldn't let me "quote" a "quote", so I had to cut and paste. My text is in the black, espresso's in red.

    Tut Tut indeed.


    While we are in full nit-picking mode ! to respond fully to espresso's post:-

    1. You do have TWO meters for Economy 7 - you can't get two readings off one meter ! the two meters may well be in the same housing but they are still two meters.


    [Pedant mode ON]
    Well actually you are wrong! If you look at the meter pictured above, you will see a live & neutral supply in, a live & neutral load out and a timeswitch control wire. There is only one metering element in the box but it's output is directed to different memory registers and displays, dependant on the timeswitch control wire. Read the specification for these meters and you will find proof of this, only one metering element.
    [/Pedant mode OFF]



    In the stone age when I was a lad, you used to have two separate housings, one black and one white if I remember.


    Some areas still do have separate white meters but remember that meters, depending on their type have a service life of up to 25 years, so that point depends rather on your age.

    2. My use of the word "lot" came from the fact that the OP didn't seem to use much power at night so the usage would have to increase a "lot" by the use of storage heaters or such to make it worthwhile.

    I hope you were paying attention, because I may be asking questions later !


    Yes I'm paying attention but I still believe that there a lot of people who have never actually 'done the sums regarding E7' and simply believe that without storage heaters, it is an uneconomic tariff. There are lots of appliances that are powered up 24/7. Some consumers have an additional large chest freezer, tropical fish tanks and heat lamps used for other exotic pets etc, garden pool heaters and filtration pumps etc. PC servers and many other types of electronic equipment i.e. surveillance cameras/video recorders, high power security lights etc. etc. the list goes on and on but obviously does not apply to all. I'm simply saying that to say, no storage heaters, no E7 is not always the case.

    Originally posted by moonrakerz
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