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    • myself321
    • By myself321 27th Sep 07, 10:05 PM
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    halogen heater query
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    • 27th Sep 07, 10:05 PM
    halogen heater query 27th Sep 07 at 10:05 PM
    hi there

    are halogen heaters economic i am looking at one that has 3 bars with 350w per bar ?
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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 27th Sep 07, 10:16 PM
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    • 27th Sep 07, 10:16 PM
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    • 27th Sep 07, 10:16 PM
    I have just posted this on another thread - so to save typing!

    These, like any form of electrical heating that runs on daytime tariff, is the most expensive form of heating to run you can buy.

    It can't be said often enough that any form of electrical heater on a daytime tariff produces exactly the same amount of heat for the money. So it doesn't matter if it is oil filled radiator, convector heater, panel heater, the most expensive hyped system on the market or your grandmother's old 1 bar electric fire.
    Add to that list halogen heaters! No more economical or less economical.

    The advantage of these heaters is they can 'direct' heat towards a person - say in a bathroom or someone working at a bench in an unheated workshop.
    • grey_lady
    • By grey_lady 27th Sep 07, 11:49 PM
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    • 27th Sep 07, 11:49 PM
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    • 27th Sep 07, 11:49 PM
    I found that running one of my wall heaters used up 3 times as many units as running my halogen heater which was enough to heat my living room by itself.

    hth
    Snootchie Bootchies!
  • TimBuckTeeth
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    • 28th Sep 07, 3:47 AM
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    • 28th Sep 07, 3:47 AM
    With 3 bars on it is 1050W so comparable power to some smaller flat panel heaters/electric radiators.
    The benefit of a halogen heater is that they give off radiant heat, so if you are sitting close enough to it you will feel the heat, even if the room itself is cold, with a radiator the room air temperature has to be increased to a comfortable temperature. So depending on how it is used it may be possible to use less power.
    The disadvantage of halogen heaters is that they can burn things that get too close to the front grill so are not suitable for unattended use, and the cheap ones, £15 or so are pretty poor quality and flimsy.
  • melancholly
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    • 23rd Oct 07, 11:31 PM
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    • 23rd Oct 07, 11:31 PM
    Add to that list halogen heaters! No more economical or less economical.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    was just looking for info on halogen heaters - found this article online which seemed quite convincing, but now this comment makes me not so sure!
    http://www.ciao.co.uk/Focus_Halogen_HEAT__Review_5595237

    anyone had any experience of using them and the impact on bills? turning the heating on gets the whole house so for the odd hour a heater in an individual room is a better option - but electric heaters cost a fortune!
  • sugarplumfairy
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    • 7th Dec 07, 3:19 PM
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    • 7th Dec 07, 3:19 PM
    Hi I have storage heaters as my main source of heating but as these are old and don't work properly, I have for the last few years been using halogen heaters. I find them a lot more economical than say storage heaters (can't comment on central heating etc) and as someone else said as they give off a radiant heat you fell warm as soon as they are on. I have also noticed that a lot more people who have central heating are using them as they are instant heat. They also save having to have a light on in the evening, so can be used as a security measure, set them to come on befre you get home of an evening, it will look as if someone is home and the place will be nice and warm. I would prefer to have central heating but that isn't an option for me as we are not allowed mains gas in our flats and oil seems to be too expensive. All in all I do reccomend halogen heaters and several people I know have since bought them.
  • TimBuckTeeth
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    • 11th Dec 07, 11:40 PM
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    • 11th Dec 07, 11:40 PM
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    They also save having to have a light on in the evening, so can be used as a security measure, set them to come on befre you get home of an evening, it will look as if someone is home and the place will be nice and warm. ........
    Originally posted by sugarplumfairy
    I would not recommend setting them to come on before you get home, they shouldn't really be used unattended, especially the freestanding flimsy cheap ones. For security I would set lights to switch on with a timer switch, much safer and cheaper to run.

    The surface of the halogen tube is red hot and will easily set fire to things if placed too close or something falls onto it. They do have tip-over safety cut out switches, but if one falls over the residual heat would damage a carpet.
  • tcb1973
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    • 31st Mar 09, 6:21 PM
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    • 31st Mar 09, 6:21 PM
    Regarding the impact of these !!!!!!s on the bill. I ran two, one upstairs and one downstairs as and when I felt like it, due to being told that they were super cheap (3p per hour per bar).

    Just got my leccy bill - doubled! usually around £50 to £70 quid - this quarter £113 smackers.

    Turning them off!
  • eliza332
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    • 7th Apr 09, 12:25 PM
    Halogen heaters versus Gas Central Heating
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    • 7th Apr 09, 12:25 PM
    Is it cheaper to run Gas Central heating throughout the house to keep warm or to use a Halogen heater only in the room you are in?
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 7th Apr 09, 12:55 PM
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    Is it cheaper to run Gas Central heating throughout the house to keep warm or to use a Halogen heater only in the room you are in?
    Originally posted by eliza332
    Welcome to the forum.

    Why run CH throughout the house? simply turn off the radiators in the rooms not in use.

    Any form of electrical heating appliance(including halogen) is about 3 times more expensive than gas.
    • Ken68
    • By Ken68 7th Apr 09, 1:00 PM
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    Ken68
    Is it cheaper to run Gas Central heating throughout the house to keep warm or to use a Halogen heater only in the room you are in?
    Originally posted by eliza332
    Central heating, I would have thought, provided you have sufficient insulation.
    I use one in the morning for about 10 minutes.
    Better still, though the fire brigade aint impressed is a covered electric blanket 'throw', say 80watt.
    Since using this, mainly in the evenings, my gas kwh's have dropped 500 in one month.Potential to save hundreds of pounds p.a. Autumn and spring use mainly.
    Ideal if you live solo and as long as you take care not to ruck the blanket and of course at your own risk. Used in millions of beds nationwide every night, so can't be that much risk.
  • Ruth69
    halogen heaters
    "yes there are cheaper to run".. Normal electric heaters cost a fortune and are about 35p a hour whereas the halogen heaters ( one bar to 3 bars ) Running Cost per Hour = Min - 2.8p / Max - 8.4p Min - 6.3p / Max - 12.6p
    hi there

    are halogen heaters economic i am looking at one that has 3 bars with 350w per bar ?
    Originally posted by myself321
  • Ruth69
    "yes there are cheaper to run".. Normal electric heaters cost a fortune and are about 35p a hour whereas the halogen heaters ( one bar to 3 bars ) Running Cost per Hour = Min - 2.8p / Max - 8.4p Min - 6.3p / Max - 12.6p
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 22nd Nov 09, 8:26 PM
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    "yes there are cheaper to run".. Normal electric heaters cost a fortune and are about 35p a hour whereas the halogen heaters ( one bar to 3 bars ) Running Cost per Hour = Min - 2.8p / Max - 8.4p Min - 6.3p / Max - 12.6p
    Originally posted by Ruth69
    Halogen are only cheaper to run because they are lower powered and give out less heat!

    For the running costs you quote above (i.e. 2.8p/8.4p and 6.3p/12.6p) any form of electrical heater will give exactly the same heat as a halogen heater.

    The 'Normal Electrical heater' costing 35p an hour will give out approx 3 times as much heat as the 12.6p heater.

    With any type of electrical heater you get exactly the same amount of heat for the same running cost.
    • thechippy
    • By thechippy 22nd Nov 09, 8:46 PM
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    Halogen are only cheaper to run because they are lower powered and give out less heat!

    For the running costs you quote above (i.e. 2.8p/8.4p and 6.3p/12.6p) any form of electrical heater will give exactly the same heat as a halogen heater.

    The 'Normal Electrical heater' costing 35p an hour will give out approx 3 times as much heat as the 12.6p heater.

    With any type of electrical heater you get exactly the same amount of heat for the same running cost.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    Will people ever listen, or understand this..........:rolleyes:

    Anyway, Ta. You just saved me typing in the above myself......
  • Ruth69
    Fully understand what you’re saying … but…. The halogen heaters are warm, and throw out quite a lot of heat... Too warm sometimes on 3 bars….. Electric heaters 35p an hour 3 times as warm as halogen heater total 1 hour of warmth…. halogen heater on full 10/12p an hour… total of 3 hours warmth… So if you’re warm enough, doesn’t it make sense, to have halogen heather even at max 12p a hour for 3hours warmth, rather than35p for one hours warmth, how warm do you need to be...? And if you get too warm with the halogen heater which inevitably you do, turn one bar off using 2 bars which reduces to cost … or just one bar on reducing the cost even more and still warm enough………..even more hours of warmth for a fraction of the cost of electric heaters…. why be hot for one hour when you can be nice and warm for 3....
    Last edited by Ruth69; 23-11-2009 at 12:35 AM.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 23rd Nov 09, 8:26 AM
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    Fully understand what you’re saying … but…. The halogen heaters are warm, and throw out quite a lot of heat... Too warm sometimes on 3 bars….. Electric heaters 35p an hour 3 times as warm as halogen heater total 1 hour of warmth…. halogen heater on full 10/12p an hour… total of 3 hours warmth… So if you’re warm enough, doesn’t it make sense, to have halogen heather even at max 12p a hour for 3hours warmth, rather than35p for one hours warmth, how warm do you need to be...? And if you get too warm with the halogen heater which inevitably you do, turn one bar off using 2 bars which reduces to cost … or just one bar on reducing the cost even more and still warm enough………..even more hours of warmth for a fraction of the cost of electric heaters…. why be hot for one hour when you can be nice and warm for 3....
    Originally posted by Ruth69
    A 3kW heater will have a thermostat.(i.e. it switches on and off when the room is at the correct temperature)

    So it will not be using electricity for much of the time.

    So if a halogen heater keeps you warm for 3 hours, a normal heater will also keep you exactly as warm for those 3 hours for exactly the same cost.
  • mikey72
    The way it heats is different.
    3kw may still be 3 kw, but a radiant heater will not heat the room as well as, say an oil heater. But it will heat you directly, and very quickly, and if you stand in front of it, you will be warmer for a lot less money.
    An oil heater will heat the entire room, and you will then feel warm, but a lot more energy will have been used to get you (and the room as well) up to temperature.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 23rd Nov 09, 7:38 PM
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    The way it heats is different.
    3kw may still be 3 kw, but a radiant heater will not heat the room as well as, say an oil heater. But it will heat you directly, and very quickly, and if you stand in front of it, you will be warmer for a lot less money.
    An oil heater will heat the entire room, and you will then feel warm, but a lot more energy will have been used to get you (and the room as well) up to temperature.
    Originally posted by mikey72
    That has been stated many times - halogen heaters have their uses for an individual.

    They are good in garages for someone working at a bench.

    You could wrap yourself in a 60W electric blanket and keep warm.

    However it doesn't change the basic facts that, say, a 1kW halogen heater produces exactly the same amount of heat as any other 1kW heater
  • mikey72
    That has been stated many times - halogen heaters have their uses for an individual.

    They are good in garages for someone working at a bench.

    You could wrap yourself in a 60W electric blanket and keep warm.

    However it doesn't change the basic facts that, say, a 1kW halogen heater produces exactly the same amount of heat as any other 1kW heater
    Originally posted by Cardew
    So does a 1kw kettle, but I wouldn't heat the room with one.
    The op asked if halogen heaters were economic, and they are, as they heat the individual for a smaller wattage than other methods.
    It's your statement
    "So if a halogen heater keeps you warm for 3 hours, a normal heater will also keep you exactly as warm for those 3 hours for exactly the same cost."
    which is wrong.
    The op can make up their own mind if the room, or just they need heating.
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