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    • MSE Jenny
    • By MSE Jenny 3rd Aug 10, 3:44 PM
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    Free solar panel discussion
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    • 3rd Aug 10, 3:44 PM
    Free solar panel discussion 3rd Aug 10 at 3:44 PM
    This thread is specifically to discuss






    This thread is closed, please use the new Solar panels thread. Thanks
    Last edited by MSE Jenny; 28-06-2011 at 5:41 PM.
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    • alzy
    • By alzy 3rd Aug 10, 10:19 PM
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    • 3rd Aug 10, 10:19 PM
    Looking forward to hear some good news from those that have tried

    Anything that can save money
    • Antispam
    • By Antispam 3rd Aug 10, 10:23 PM
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    • 3rd Aug 10, 10:23 PM
    What it doesn't tell you is that the feed in tariffs are paid for by us the customers
    • joolsleeds
    • By joolsleeds 3rd Aug 10, 10:39 PM
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    • 3rd Aug 10, 10:39 PM
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    • 3rd Aug 10, 10:39 PM
    A useful article.

    I've had some free panels installed by A Shade Greener (ASG), and have been very impressed by the whole set up.

    There are no catches, and since we've had the panels installed about 3 months ago, we've taken 45% of our all the electricity we've used off the roof. Obviously, the days will get shorter and the weather less sunny, but fully expect savings of c.35-40% averaged over the year.

    ASG's installation was very good, and the after installation service is great too. They are very choosy in terms of who's roof they will put their panels on - your roof must be facing the right way, be big enough for the panels (I have 18 panels installed) and the right roof pitch, otherwise its a no-go.

    No strings, other than you are locked in for 25 years, which is a long time. Though the way power prices are going, I expect that the panels would be attractive to house buyers, rather than a put off.

    I remain glad that we had them installed, and that we chose ASG.
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  • msubbu
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    • 3rd Aug 10, 11:03 PM
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    • 3rd Aug 10, 11:03 PM
    What it doesn't tell you is that the feed in tariffs are paid for by us the customers
    Originally posted by Antispam
    What are these and how much do they cost?
  • DeeMGee
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    • 3rd Aug 10, 11:46 PM
    North of the Border
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    • 3rd Aug 10, 11:46 PM
    I think its a fantastic idea but I live in Scotland and wonder if the same options are available up here?
  • GeeBeeEl
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    • 3rd Aug 10, 11:58 PM
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    • 3rd Aug 10, 11:58 PM
    What are these and how much do they cost?
    Originally posted by msubbu
    I think he means that they are paid out from taxpayer funds.

    The feed-in tariff is the cash that the Government pays the householder who is generating solar power, from taxpayer funds.
  • Poosmate
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    • 4th Aug 10, 12:07 AM
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    • 4th Aug 10, 12:07 AM
    No. The Feed-in Tariffs are paid for by the energy suppliers NOT the Government.
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  • kenny62
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    • 4th Aug 10, 12:09 AM
    what about the roof if its damadged or needs replacing who foots that bill ?
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    • 4th Aug 10, 12:09 AM
    A useful article.

    I've had some free panels installed by A Shade Greener (ASG), and have been very impressed by the whole set up.

    There are no catches, and since we've had the panels installed about 3 months ago, we've taken 45% of our all the electricity we've used off the roof. Obviously, the days will get shorter and the weather less sunny, but fully expect savings of c.35-40% averaged over the year.

    ASG's installation was very good, and the after installation service is great too. They are very choosy in terms of who's roof they will put their panels on - your roof must be facing the right way, be big enough for the panels (I have 18 panels installed) and the right roof pitch, otherwise its a no-go.

    No strings, other than you are locked in for 25 years, which is a long time. Though the way power prices are going, I expect that the panels would be attractive to house buyers, rather than a put off.

    I remain glad that we had them installed, and that we chose ASG.
    Originally posted by joolsleeds
    what about the roof if its damadged or needs replacing who foots that bill ? or you get a leak on roof slates or tiles ?
    who foots the bill ?
  • ishtar
    25yrs, then what
    I would like to know if you go for the option of free panels and the company upkeeps the panels for 25years, what happens after this time, what is the cost of maintaining the panels yourself. Or if you buy the panels what is the cost of yearly upkeep? thanks
  • Poosmate
    There was a fab thread about this called something like "Free Solar Power - Is It A Scam". All the questions are answered there. It's well worth a read (that's if it hasn't been deleted by the Forum Police). There was an employee of A Shade Greener who we were chatting with for ages but someone grassed on her and she was banned.

    I'll try to find our old thread.

    Poo
    One of Mike's Mob, Street Found Money 1.66, Non Sealed Pot (5p,2p,1p)6.82? (0 banked), Online Opinions 5/50pts, Piggy points 15, Ipsos 3930pts (25+), Valued Opinions 12.85, MutualPoints 1786, Slicethepie 0.12, Toluna 7870pts, DFD Computer says NO!
  • GeeBeeEl
    There are no catches, and since we've had the panels installed about 3 months ago, we've taken 45% of our all the electricity we've used off the roof. Obviously, the days will get shorter and the weather less sunny, but fully expect savings of c.35-40% averaged over the year.ASG.
    Originally posted by joolsleeds
    Estimates of Electricity bill savings seem to vary between 100 - 400pa !
    As a ball park guide, how much do you think you will save based on current performance ?

    Thanks
  • GeeBeeEl
    No. The Feed-in Tariffs are paid for by the energy suppliers NOT the Government.
    Originally posted by Poosmate
    Sorry Poosmate, but you are mistaken.
    It comes from the taxpayer ( via the Government )
    It is a Government incentive.
  • Gizmosmum
    I would like to know if you go for the option of free panels and the company upkeeps the panels for 25years, what happens after this time, what is the cost of maintaining the panels yourself. Or if you buy the panels what is the cost of yearly upkeep? thanks
    Originally posted by ishtar
    There's very little maintenance involved in solar pv - there's no moving parts - that's what makes them so appealing. If you go for free panels they're yours to keep after 25 years.

    I'm just deciding whether to do it now or wait until the cost comes down in the next 18 months.
    Target of wind & watertight by Sept 2011
  • Poosmate
    Sorry Poosmate, but you are mistaken.
    It comes from the taxpayer ( via the Government )
    It is a Government incentive.
    Originally posted by GeeBeeEl

    Nope! It's paid for by the energy suppliers.

    The Government used to pay grants to people to have this work done but most, if not all of the grants have dried up because people can earn cashback from the energy suppliers buying the power off the people with the solar installations.

    Ask yourself, why would the Government pay you for electricity you are giving to the National Grid? The energy suppliers charge people for that energy so if it worked the way you say, that energy would be generated once and paid for twice.

    It's paid for by the suppliers.

    Oh and the panels are the property of the company that fit them (if they are fitted free by A Shade Greener or Isis (currently)) and then become yours after 25 years. Obviously if you pay for and have installed a system yourself they are yours and will always be yours.

    A Shade Greener will remove the panels twice within the 25 year period free of charge for mainenance of the roof but they will refit them. I guess if they have to be removed a third time the homeowner would have to foot the bill for it.

    Hope that helps and it looks like the Forum Police have deleted the other thread on this subject.

    Poo
    One of Mike's Mob, Street Found Money 1.66, Non Sealed Pot (5p,2p,1p)6.82? (0 banked), Online Opinions 5/50pts, Piggy points 15, Ipsos 3930pts (25+), Valued Opinions 12.85, MutualPoints 1786, Slicethepie 0.12, Toluna 7870pts, DFD Computer says NO!
  • Poosmate
    There's very little maintenance involved in solar pv - there's no moving parts - that's what makes them so appealing. If you go for free panels they're yours to keep after 25 years.

    I'm just deciding whether to do it now or wait until the cost comes down in the next 18 months.
    Originally posted by Gizmosmum

    Gizmosmum, I've been thinking about it too. I don't think the grants will become available again with all the cutbacks but I could be wrong. Also, the price of the Feed-In Tariff is going to go down soon (either April 11 or April 12). It's currently 41.3p per kW generated but will be going down to 36.something.

    I'd like to get mine done before next April, unless I can find where I saw the reduction in rate date. lol

    Hope that helps.

    Poo
    One of Mike's Mob, Street Found Money 1.66, Non Sealed Pot (5p,2p,1p)6.82? (0 banked), Online Opinions 5/50pts, Piggy points 15, Ipsos 3930pts (25+), Valued Opinions 12.85, MutualPoints 1786, Slicethepie 0.12, Toluna 7870pts, DFD Computer says NO!
  • Poosmate
    ok! Der! No wonder I couldn't find the thread, it's located on the Green and Ethical Savings board!

    Here's the link:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2072787

    I would urge anyone to read it.

    There's a bit of arguing and bickering on it but people did wonder if it was a scam at first. Then of course there are always the doomsayers too. But in there is a lot of very good advice and information.

    Hope that helps.

    Poo
    One of Mike's Mob, Street Found Money 1.66, Non Sealed Pot (5p,2p,1p)6.82? (0 banked), Online Opinions 5/50pts, Piggy points 15, Ipsos 3930pts (25+), Valued Opinions 12.85, MutualPoints 1786, Slicethepie 0.12, Toluna 7870pts, DFD Computer says NO!
    • Antispam
    • By Antispam 4th Aug 10, 12:47 AM
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    Antispam
    The feed in tariffs are a rate in which the householder if they have solar panels get a guaranteed rate

    Before April 2010 householder that had solar panels I believe only got a grant to cover some of the costs, the feed in tarrifs pay much better rate over the 20+ years which makes it more attractive hence why some companies now supply panels for free subject to some conditions

    The feed in tariff doesnt come from government I believe but from you or I in way of a tax on our energy bills

    What are these and how much do they cost?
    Originally posted by msubbu
  • Gizmosmum
    Gizmosmum, I've been thinking about it too. I don't think the grants will become available again with all the cutbacks but I could be wrong. Also, the price of the Feed-In Tariff is going to go down soon (either April 11 or April 12). It's currently 41.3p per kW generated but will be going down to 36.something.

    I'd like to get mine done before next April, unless I can find where I saw the reduction in rate date. lol

    Hope that helps.

    Poo
    Originally posted by Poosmate
    I've heard that the utilities are going to jump on the bandwagon big style in the next year or 2. Also heard recently about someone getting 4kw for 9k! On hold shortly then seriously looking at pricing - I have a large south facing roof that could hold a serious amount of pv..
    Target of wind & watertight by Sept 2011
  • GeeBeeEl
    There's very little maintenance involved in solar pv - there's no moving parts - that's what makes them so appealing. If you go for free panels they're yours to keep after 25 years.

    I'm just deciding whether to do it now or wait until the cost comes down in the next 18 months.
    Originally posted by Gizmosmum
    But surely you would be better off purchasing them yourself and getting the circa 8% tax free index linked return on the investment, rather than a financial institution pocketing the cash whilst using your roof ?

    Or if you can't free up the circa 13k, wait for the cheap green loans scheme to kick in, It still doesn't cost you a bean, someone else doesn't end up essentially 'owning' your roof for 25 years and you get the financial benefit of the cash-back once it's paid off ( which is also done via the cashback scheme so you don't need to find any money yourself )
    eg:
    h t t p : / / w w w .yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Leeds-Home-made-power-move.6436873.jp
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