Anyone used Rointe heaters?

Cardew · 20 January 2011 at 12:35AM

supertuber wrote: »

I DO NOT WORK FOR ELTI but I have invested over £20,000 in their rads and they rock. I suppose you heat your house with fan heaters? haha, i dont think so.

If you are content with your £20,000 purchase, why get so upset and resort to personal insults?

Is it so important to you that people believe you have made a great choice?

If they fully meet your expectations, that is what this money saving forum is all about; people making wise decisions.

Prospective purchasers can read these posts decide who has a vested interest in the success of these radiators and if they are good value.

grahamc2003 · 20 January 2011 at 12:58AM

supertuber wrote: »

Wow you REALLY don't know anything about HEATING. What does electric have to do with it?? They STORE heat you imbecile hence why they only use 17 mins in the hour. Heat loss in all my rooms was accurately calculated to determine the correct size and power rad so again you argument falls flat on its face. I had the heat loss calculated by 3 heating companies.

Typical modern 40cm room with two exterior walls, 2 double glazed windows ... heat loss 3.5 out of 10 = 1.4 kw rad. 1.4 x 10p = 14p per hour
28% or that is under 4p an hour. Want to see my bill??

I DO NOT WORK FOR ELTI but I have invested over £20,000 in their rads and they rock. I suppose you heat your house with fan heaters? haha, i dont think so.

A second chartered engineer confirming what the first chartered engineer implied that you know nothing of the basic physics, which is that for 1kwh of electricity, you get 1kwh of heat. It simply doesn't matter one iota whether the fins on your radiators are coated with rare aluminium powder or custard, nor whether you've spent 20 quid or twenty grand on them.

We don't need to see your bill because whatever it is, if you had used the same amount of electricity in the cheapest heater you can find, your room would have been heated to the same level.

Donkeydaz · 20 January 2011 at 8:53PM

Hey guys, quite a heated discussion going on here...no pun intended

New to the site and looking for some advice/help.

I am a 3rd year mature electrician apprentice and live in a flat with my partner and our 2 year old child. After living in this new property during the cold winter it is extremely cold and is costing a fortune to heat with the small heaters we have.

My landlord is willing to pay for heaters and for all materials to put heaters in the flat, and i have agreed to install them labour free.

We have a large open plan lounge/dining room in the loft. 9m x 4m and 2 bedrooms both about 4m x 4m. I originally was looking at getting the Dimplex Duo Night Storage Heaters. 2 x 500N in the lounge/diner and 2x 400N, 1 per bedroom.

And then i saw these Rointe heaters in my local wholesaler which caught my eye. The Installation and materials needed to install the dimplex system is much more work and more materials than this system, and are very big and not nice to look at, the Rointe system looks good and will require less work to install.

The flat i live in is above a shop, the ground floor is the shop, then the 1st floor is the store room, and my flat is on the 3rd and 4th, if i was to install the Dimplex system it would require alot of work as a 16mm cable would need to be installed from the basement up to my floor which is going to be a nightmare, or the Rointe system i can install a 2nd board in our bedroom next to the exsisting board and be alot easier.....so now im in a muddle on which to get.

Im under the impression that if i was to get the Rointe Rads i could get them to heat the rooms up during the night time, and then during the day set the room temperature to very very low so the rad doesnt heat the room but keeps the oil warm and just trickels every few hours, then heats back up again intime for when we get home from work to save money???

Or am i better to go for the Dimplex system?
The property is a old builing, solid walls, no insulation and windows are old sash wooden windows.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Cheers
DonkeyDaz

Cardew · 20 January 2011 at 10:36PM

Would your landlord be happy to pay Rointe prices?

Rointe are not storage heaters like the Dimplex Duoheat.

Surely the Rointe heaters would be a doddle to install - they are just radiators and be no different to any other simple panel heater etc. You could even have heaters with a 13 amp plug.

Presumably you are on an Economy 7 tariff to contemplate Dimple -Duoheat?

Donkeydaz · 20 January 2011 at 11:02PM

I live in Guernsey, so ours is a little different. >>

Super Economy 12
The Super Economy 12 Tariff is divided into two rates. The normal rate is effective during peak periods during the day when demand for electricity is high. The lower rate is effective during two periods of the day, the afternoon and at night, when demand is low. The tariff is particularly suitable for customers with storage heating systems.
Low Rate Periods
A 10 hour period between 7:45pm and 8:15am*2
A 2 hour period between 12:00 noon and 4:40pm*2
*2 According to the time band available at the time of application. Please contact the Meter Section on 241990 for further information on available time bands.
Standing Charge £14.82 per quarter*1 Normal rate 13.98 pence per unit Low rate 5.80 pence per unit
the heaters i can get are pretty cheap, as we live on a island we get VAT free and of course get cheaper again for trade price.

grahamc2003 · 21 January 2011 at 8:26PM

You may be correct that they are quicker to install, don't need floorboards ripping up etc etc. That is not what is irritating to me and others obviously informed on here.

You are still spouting what is just rubbish about the effectiveness of these heaters. Yes, they are 100% efficient, just as all other electric heating is. For the same electriity cost, they produce exactly the same amount of heat as the cheapest heater. If they are 1kw, and they cycle off for 43 minutes every hour and maintain the temperature, then that means your room loses heat at about 300w, and any form of heating supplying 300w would produce the same result. You could even heat using 3x100w light bulbs. (btw, that level of heat loss seems unbelievably low to me if the ambient temperature is anything like it is where I am - are you overegging your omlette in other areas too?).

The 'refractory ceramics' (lol!) inside your heaters cannot change the physics. They cant generate heat. They are not magic. They may delay the heat release a while - but storage heaters delay the heat release for a much longer period, if that's what you want.

I'm afraid there's nothing special with your heaters, except the marketing, a meaningless website and meaningless buzzwords like 'refractory ceramics' and judging by your reaction, you seem unwilling to accept that. You've paid 20 grand for some heaters which produce the same heat as twenty quids worth, and I don't think you should encourage others on a money saving site to do the same by posting incorrect statements.

If you're happy with them, then fine. Only please don't try making out they are somehow cheaper to run than any other electric heaters when you have been told by several people suitably qualified that they aren't.

Cardew · 21 January 2011 at 9:03PM

supertuber wrote: »

I don't mean to sound rude and I apologise if I have been but I get irritated when people slate a product they actually don't know anything about.

They STORE heat you imbecile

Mmmm

Your posts, and your website, are just full of meaningless drivel.

Just for the information of anyone who finds these posts on ELKA heaters via Google, as has been stated many times, these hugely overpriced heaters produce no more heat, for the same running costs, than any other heater - from a £10 fan heater upwards.

Personally I have little doubt you have a financial interest in the marketing of these heaters.

If you haven't, then you will have no objection to others being warned about the ridiculous claims and advised not to waste their money.

steviegee1982 · 28 January 2011 at 11:04AM

Hi All (and especially Cardew).

You helped me last year when i was looking to change my storage heaters and you put me off buying Rointe radiators.

I didnt change at all in the end as my job went to short-time so I thought I'd better save my money!!! Anyway, the elctrican rang me yesterday to see if I wanted to look at changing again.

In the conversation he said that he had heard that Rointe had been investigated by the Advertising Standards Agency and had lost a case.

I googled 'Rointe standards' and found a link to the Advertising Standards website......it turns out that Rointe have indeed been investigated by The Advertising Standards.

Rointe could not offer any proof of their 60% energy savings claim and they arent allowed to say that anymore.

So I would like to say a big thank you to all of you for your advice which has saved me hundreds of pounds on heaters making claims they cant back up.

T H A N K Y O U :T

fb1969 · 28 January 2011 at 12:03PM

As a regular reader of this part of the forum I read this thread with interest and appreciate the knowledgeable posts from Cardew and grahamc.

I've just pootled off to google and found this in relation to steviegee's post www.asa.org.uk/ASA-action/Adjudications/2011/1/Rointe/TF_ADJ_49624.aspx

grahamc2003 · 28 January 2011 at 12:26PM

I just love the bit about explosions! They said, effectively, that gas boilers caused 400,000 explosions in 2008 ...

According to statistics, in 2008 there were more than 400,000 explosions of different magnitudes when using combustion for boilers or water heaters

And how did they get that figure? Well, they searched in Google or similar using 'gas' and 'explosion' and managed to get 400,000 web pages containing those words!

I'd say there is zero doubt that these guys are out to knowingly mislead people.

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