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    • pinkteapot
    • By pinkteapot 19th May 19, 7:21 AM
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    How good is 4G home broadband, really?
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    • 19th May 19, 7:21 AM
    How good is 4G home broadband, really? 19th May 19 at 7:21 AM
    We've seen a house to buy that's perfect for us in every way except one. Broadband speed is 1-3Mbps Estate agent said his office has a 4G business service as that's all they could get, and they run 10 computers off it. He claims to get 40 Mbps.

    I'm really unsure. We use internet for the following currently (we have 300Mb Virgin!!):
    • Netflix/Amazon Prime
    • Working from home one day every 1-2 weeks
    • Facetime - we relocated so it's nice to Facetime family
    • Open University study - I study and it includes a lot of web use, online tutorials (think online conference call with a presentation) and watching videos

    I'm just not convinced 4G internet will be quick enough or reliable enough for this kind of usage. EE and O2 both claim to have a good 4G signal in the area but hubby's mobile is on EE and he had no service downstairs in the house! (I know we could get a signal booster)

    I'm aware it's really expensive - we're prob looking at £100/month for the usage we need. Setting that aside though, will it even work?!

    Any experiences to share?
    Last edited by pinkteapot; 19-05-2019 at 7:26 AM.
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    • pinkteapot
    • By pinkteapot 19th May 19, 7:24 AM
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    • 19th May 19, 7:24 AM
    And just to add - I don't know why this house doesn't have fibre. The exchange is enabled and and other houses in the postcode, including its neighbours, get fibre at 50-60Mbps. I don't know why this one house isn't connected but it suggests to me there was a problem when the fibre roll-out came through so the situation isn't likely to change?

    Also - I've checked and non-4G-wireless services aren't available in the area, so it does seem 4G would be our only option.
    • Croft12
    • By Croft12 19th May 19, 9:03 AM
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    • 19th May 19, 9:03 AM
    And just to add - I don't know why this house doesn't have fibre. The exchange is enabled and and other houses in the postcode, including its neighbours, get fibre at 50-60Mbps. I don't know why this one house isn't connected but it suggests to me there was a problem when the fibre roll-out came through so the situation isn't likely to change?

    Also - I've checked and non-4G-wireless services aren't available in the area, so it does seem 4G would be our only option.
    Originally posted by pinkteapot

    What do the checkers say about broadband?


    https://www.dslchecker.bt.com/




    Have you checkd the 'where and when' for future plans.


    4G if you can get the signal is fine speed is good (esp with external ariel)


    You can get unlimited data deals


    https://3g.co.uk/three-home-fi unlimited data 22pcm


    http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Network/Coverage


    If you can get a signal anywhere they put the router there and wifi in the house will do the rest. An external ariel is better than a booster.
    • AndyPK
    • By AndyPK 19th May 19, 10:25 AM
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    • 19th May 19, 10:25 AM
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    • 19th May 19, 10:25 AM
    If you can't get a signal inside the house, then that not worth looking at.

    It could just be a database error. you can go onto open reach website and get it fixed within 28 days.
    I would have a go, even if you don't own the place. see what happens.
    You can then put an offer in it is still available


    ASDL speed estimates: I notice now fibre is more common, certain providers (plusnet, sky) are offering really low guaranteed ASDL speeds. Where in reality you would get quite a bit more. Amazingly talktalk seem to give more honest figures, so see what minimum guaranteed speed TT will offer, by going part way thru the sign up process.

    As an example I get about 6-7Mbps with EE

    Plusnet will only guarantee 1.7
    Nowtv will only guarantee 2.9
    TalkTalk will guarantee 5.2
    Last edited by AndyPK; 19-05-2019 at 10:33 AM.
    • pinkteapot
    • By pinkteapot 19th May 19, 2:32 PM
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    • 19th May 19, 2:32 PM
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    • 19th May 19, 2:32 PM
    What do the checkers say about broadband?


    https://www.dslchecker.bt.com/
    Originally posted by Croft12
    I hadn't used that site - I'd looked at the availability checker for ordering BT broadband (and others). Anyway, I used the house address as I didn't have the other details asked for on the above, and the results are a bit confusing:

    FTTP on demand: 330 down / 30 up
    WBC ADSL 2+: up to 1 down / -- up / 1 to 3.5 range
    Then some other ADSL options with the same figures

    All of the above are listed as 'Available' in the table. Then underneath it says:

    FTTP is not available.

    For all ADSL and WBC Fibre to the Cabinet (VDSL or G.fast) services, the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage.

    This line is on a Market A Exchange.
    Soooo... FTTP isn't available but FTTP on demand is? I don't understand the difference - will do some googling. Though if none of the broadband providers will sell me more than 1-3Mbps I'm not sure if it helps...

    After we mentioned we had concerns about the broadband the EA asked the vendor to do a few speed tests and they're getting 1.8-3.8Mbps - in line with what the checkers said we could get.

    If we go for another look we'll look more closely at just how good our 4G phone signal was upstairs. You're right - they could put the router up there if need be.

    I'll have a look into antennae and learn a bit more on that too.

    Thanks for the pointers all.
    • Carrot007
    • By Carrot007 19th May 19, 2:39 PM
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    • 19th May 19, 2:39 PM
    Soooo... FTTP isn't available but FTTP on demand is? I don't understand the difference - will do some googling.
    Originally posted by pinkteapot

    It means they will fit it if you pay, expect aroun 10K if you go that route.


    As for is 4G there anygood, go and test it on your mobile. No other way will do.
    • informer365
    • By informer365 19th May 19, 5:54 PM
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    • 19th May 19, 5:54 PM
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    • 19th May 19, 5:54 PM
    In my area my phone receives super fast 4G+ services. (Three)

    I use a hotspot off my phone, and speed is very good. I use it to work from home and its fine. Ive streamed video and its fine.

    I haven't tried streaming HD movies or TV shows however.
    • pinkteapot
    • By pinkteapot 19th May 19, 6:10 PM
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    It means they will fit it if you pay, expect aroun 10K if you go that route.
    Originally posted by Carrot007
    This is interesting actually... If 4G annoyed us we'd probably be tempted (depending on the exact quote). It's a ~£400k house so in relative terms that's not a completely insane investment, especially if we want to sell in years to come when even more people will be put off by terrible internet... It's interesting in the sense that it is at least physically possible to get fibre - at a cost!

    I would hope for a 5G rollout in a few years but this is in a rural area so I'm not holding my breath.

    Re 4G being any good - appreciate it largely depends on signal in the area. What I was getting at originally was whether anyone here is in a good signal area, uses 4G home broadband and finds it OK for the sorts of usages I mentioned.
    • BananaRepublic
    • By BananaRepublic 19th May 19, 6:44 PM
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    • 19th May 19, 6:44 PM
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    • 19th May 19, 6:44 PM
    I use Vodaphone 4G with my iPhone as a wifi hotspot. I checked and we have 4G and 3G indoors. I pay £20 a month for 100GB data. I got 4G for a week. It was very very fast. Now I only get 3G, anywhere. It’s about 7 Gbps, fast enough, but not instant. They seem to be blocking my access to 4G and are no help.

    And even with 3G I can watch NHL hockey games and films no issues there.
    • Croft12
    • By Croft12 20th May 19, 9:57 AM
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    This is interesting actually... If 4G annoyed us we'd probably be tempted (depending on the exact quote). It's a ~£400k house so in relative terms that's not a completely insane investment, especially if we want to sell in years to come when even more people will be put off by terrible internet... It's interesting in the sense that it is at least physically possible to get fibre - at a cost!

    I would hope for a 5G rollout in a few years but this is in a rural area so I'm not holding my breath.

    Re 4G being any good - appreciate it largely depends on signal in the area. What I was getting at originally was whether anyone here is in a good signal area, uses 4G home broadband and finds it OK for the sorts of usages I mentioned.
    Originally posted by pinkteapot

    The cost of Fttpod is whatever it costs. So it can be from low thousands to very high figures. You can get a desktop quote to find out roughly. You can usually get a rough idea if you know where the nearest fibre joint is.



    Remember that USO starts next year so if you were getting 1-3Mb the gov will pay >3k to get you a faster connection (and you can top that up if it costs more) So I've no doubt you will be able to get something better. they may give you 4G if its an option or they may do fttp. All depends on the costs
    • Takmon
    • By Takmon 21st May 19, 10:24 AM
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    I use Vodaphone 4G with my iPhone as a wifi hotspot. I checked and we have 4G and 3G indoors. I pay £20 a month for 100GB data. I got 4G for a week. It was very very fast. Now I only get 3G, anywhere. It’s about 7 Gbps, fast enough, but not instant. They seem to be blocking my access to 4G and are no help.

    And even with 3G I can watch NHL hockey games and films no issues there.
    Originally posted by BananaRepublic
    7 Gbps would be incredibly fast so i'm assuming you mean 7 Mbps
    • Uxb1
    • By Uxb1 22nd May 19, 8:45 PM
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    I use 4G at a second home where I have no phone line installed.
    I find that when it is working it is perfectly good as an internet connection for a single user - however the issue is that fairly regularly it becomes totally non functional. This is not a signal reception issue - just that there is a "problem" somewhere. Give it a few hours and its back again.
    This is a rural location so possibly the reliability might be better in an urban one with multiple paths/masts for the connection.

    For those hoping for 5G - dream on
    5G works at much higher frequencies than 4G and hence as a result its "reach" is far less.
    So you are looking at masts on every street corner to get a decent 5G ultra fast signal and rather fewer of the huge solitary masts we see now. Not a problem in an urban environment but it simply ain't going to happen in rural areas.
    ...........well not until computing power becomes at a level which is almost magic to us where maybe every house and every car and every phone is a 5G repeater station managing the local network traffic as well as doing its own thing.
    • brewerdave
    • By brewerdave 23rd May 19, 8:45 AM
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    And just to add - I don't know why this house doesn't have fibre. The exchange is enabled and and other houses in the postcode, including its neighbours, get fibre at 50-60Mbps. I don't know why this one house isn't connected but it suggests to me there was a problem when the fibre roll-out came through so the situation isn't likely to change?
    Originally posted by pinkteapot

    Have the existing owners even tried to get a faster connection ??
    If the neighbours have "fibre @60Mb" then its highly likely that it's FTTC not FTTP - There must be a local cabinet serving these houses which is fed by fibre from the exchange and then onwards via the "old" copper or aluminium wiring to the individual properties- are you absolutely sure that you can't order a FTTC connection from one of the ISPs?

    The other possibility is that the initial FTTC cab is "full" ,so you might have to go onto a waiting list pending expansion of the cab.
    • markin
    • By markin 25th Jun 19, 1:03 AM
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    The are no unlimited deals that i can find they all cap at 100GB month, unless you have to search for business deals? Other threads say the average use is 260GB, I know just my personal usage in the house is around 150GB month.



    ....Ok, Non of the bundles with the HomeFi are unlimited, it seems you would have to buy something like the Huawei B311 router from Amazon (other retailer available) and get the sim only for £22, but im sure if the was no "tether" and "fair use" policy then that deal would be bundled with the router on the 3 website... " down for maintenance" so i can't look at it now...

    And if too many people start using it, it quickly gets congested.

    Its perfectly possible that half the street is on a different cabinet.
    Last edited by markin; 25-06-2019 at 1:43 AM.
    • Terry98
    • By Terry98 25th Jun 19, 4:52 AM
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    The are no unlimited deals that i can find they all cap at 100GB month,
    Originally posted by markin
    What about 3?

    'Can I get Unlimited data on home broadband?
    We have many plans available, including Unlimited 4G home broadband. Unlimited is available on selected Pay Monthly home broadband plans but is not available on Pay As You Go home broadband plans.'

    http://www.three.co.uk/store/broadband/home-broadband
    • markin
    • By markin 25th Jun 19, 7:18 PM
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    What about 3?

    'Can I get Unlimited data on home broadband?
    We have many plans available, including Unlimited 4G home broadband. Unlimited is available on selected Pay Monthly home broadband plans but is not available on Pay As You Go home broadband plans.'

    http://www.three.co.uk/store/broadband/home-broadband
    Originally posted by Terry98
    They updated it last night after the maintenance, you can get "unlimited" with the device (*1000GB)

    And as i suspected getting the sim only and router separately would be against the T&S

    "If you are on a SIM Only voice plan, you may only use your SIM in a 3G or 4G mobile."

    Here's the plan for the £22 a month bundled with the router, 24 Month *unlimited, I think if you put this sim in a phone you get charged the "other" 1p/MB






    EDIT. Ok it seems i did get a little confused by not being able to see the T&C as it was under maintenance and this text under it.

    It’s also available on a 12-month plan with 40GB of data for £24 per month, or with 100GB data for £30 per month. Alternatively, you can get it on a 1-month rolling contract with 40GB of data £24 per month but with a £60 upfront cost.

    ................................................


    Every time i look at giffgaff /sim-only-plans They get worse now the "Always on" is only 20GB Last year it was 100GB "After 20GB of data used you'll experience a reduced data speed of 384kbps from 8am to Midnight."
    Last edited by markin; 25-06-2019 at 8:13 PM.
    • Terry98
    • By Terry98 26th Jun 19, 5:04 AM
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    A few earlier posts on it here.....

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5968228&highlight=home+broadband

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5973164&highlight=home+broadband

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5955679&highlight=home+broadband

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5966971&highlight=home+broadband
    • markin
    • By markin 26th Jun 19, 4:45 PM
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    Im liking the smarty at £25 a month, pay as you go, They even say to use a router! Why is anything else recommended?

    Unlimited data plan, no speed restrictions

    All the internet you need without worrying about hefty bills and data speed restrictions. You can tether it too!
    SIM only, unlimited data

    No contracts, no credit checks and no surprises at the end of the month with our Unlimited SIMs.
    T&C
    Unlimited minutes and texts
    There’s no hidden “fair use policies” with our unlimited text units or call units allowances when using your service – we just ask that you use this allowance in accordance with our Terms for SMARTY Services – that is, for personal use only, and not for any illegal, commercial or improper purposes.
    Last edited by markin; 26-06-2019 at 4:48 PM.
    • FarmerGilesUK
    • By FarmerGilesUK 26th Jun 19, 6:06 PM
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    Regarding using "phone" sims in a router. ALL providers are no longer allowed to tell you what device you can or can't use their sims in. This is an OFCOM ruling last year some time. You'll find that somewhere on OFCOM's site - You can use any sim in any device. You can also tether on any contract - Don't let Three or any other telco tell you otherwise.

    I've had a Three unlimited sim (£20 a month) in my 4G router since February and it works a treat. 100pc reliable, speeds 15-20mbps (symmetric almost) - Only downside is latency at 150-200ms which might kybosh gaming. For normal browsing / streaming its fine.
    • Pluto88888
    • By Pluto88888 28th Jun 19, 4:33 PM
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    We've seen a house to buy that's perfect for us in every way except one. Broadband speed is 1-3Mbps Estate agent said his office has a 4G business service as that's all they could get, and they run 10 computers off it. He claims to get 40 Mbps.

    I'm really unsure. We use internet for the following currently (we have 300Mb Virgin!!):
    • Netflix/Amazon Prime
    • Working from home one day every 1-2 weeks
    • Facetime - we relocated so it's nice to Facetime family
    • Open University study - I study and it includes a lot of web use, online tutorials (think online conference call with a presentation) and watching videos

    I'm just not convinced 4G internet will be quick enough or reliable enough for this kind of usage. EE and O2 both claim to have a good 4G signal in the area but hubby's mobile is on EE and he had no service downstairs in the house! (I know we could get a signal booster)

    I'm aware it's really expensive - we're prob looking at £100/month for the usage we need. Setting that aside though, will it even work?!

    Any experiences to share?
    Originally posted by pinkteapot
    Tips Smarty have a deal offer ends in 16th July £18.75 unlimited everything runs on three network pay and go no contract just pick up a cheap router on Amazon

    Three have 6 months half price deal sim only £11 after 6 months £22 bad news on this offer is 24 month contract

    I currently paying £11 a month with ,200 minutes unlimited hotspot using around 1600gb each month no issues all depends on your location I get around 70mb download and 24mb upload.
    Last edited by Pluto88888; 28-06-2019 at 4:36 PM.
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