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    • JennyP
    • By JennyP 11th Sep 19, 10:56 AM
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    Connecting to mains drainage
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    • 11th Sep 19, 10:56 AM
    Connecting to mains drainage 11th Sep 19 at 10:56 AM
    My mum's house is on a septic tank and we know it doesn't confirm to the new regulations.

    We've got a quote to get it changed already but it's quite high. I was wondering how to find out if it's possible to pay instead to get it connected to mains drainage. The neighbours on one side are connected so we know the mains must be tantalisingly near.

    Does anyone please know who we'd ask?
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    • Ant555
    • By Ant555 11th Sep 19, 11:30 AM
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    • 11th Sep 19, 11:30 AM
    It seems step 1 is to apply to the local water authority.

    My local authority is North West Water and a quick internet search for "north west water connect to sewer" brought this application form (link below) - replace the search term with your local water board name and it might bring up similar.

    https://www.unitedutilities.com/globalassets/documents/sewer-connection-application-part1.docx

    Here is a similar link to Anglian Water - looks like a good guide for a developer but you may pick up a feel for the process (even though it may not be your local authority)
    https://www.anglianwater.co.uk/developers/drainage-services/connect-to-sewer-network/

    There do appear to be companies offering their services to manage the whole process

    hope this helps
    Last edited by Ant555; 11-09-2019 at 11:36 AM.
    • JennyP
    • By JennyP 11th Sep 19, 11:47 AM
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    • 11th Sep 19, 11:47 AM
    Thank you.
    I thought it was through the local water company - United Utilities for my mum - but then someone told me that you had to hire a civil engineer yourself so I got confused!
    • snowcat75
    • By snowcat75 11th Sep 19, 12:15 PM
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    • 11th Sep 19, 12:15 PM
    Be warned nearly all utility's having the monopoly and being hopelessly inefficient, tend to be eye wateringly costly UNLESS there looking to incentivised ie they want mains sewage because its a catchment area etc etc.


    Iv put a few packaged treatment plants in and I'm amazed at the quotes people are getting, of course things like access etc tend to bump the cost up, but its worth getting a few prices.
    • JennyP
    • By JennyP 11th Sep 19, 12:24 PM
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    • 11th Sep 19, 12:24 PM
    I contacted United Utilities and they said that I had to get a drainage contractor to look at whether it's possible. They can't tell me if it is or not. So I guess the person who said about getting a civil engineer was sort of right. If you then go ahead, you fill in the forms for the utility company.

    Snowcat75, could you please give me an idea of eye-wateringly costly? I know it will vary from place to place according to where the nearest mains drains actually is. I doubt it can be more than 50 metres away as the neighbours are on the mains.

    I know what the new septic tank will cost - around 10K - so if it's likely to be more than that, we will just go ahead and do the tank. I'm sure years ago, I looked into this for my parents and it was actually really cheap and easy than to connect to mains drainage but I couldn't persuade them - too much upheaval. Regretting it now!
    • Belenus
    • By Belenus 11th Sep 19, 2:35 PM
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    • 11th Sep 19, 2:35 PM
    My mum's house is on a septic tank and we know it doesn't confirm to the new regulations.....
    Originally posted by JennyP
    Are the new regulations retrospective? In other words must your Mum replace the tank?

    If it is working properly why replace it if you don't have to.
    • JennyP
    • By JennyP 11th Sep 19, 2:38 PM
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    Are the new regulations retrospective? In other words must your Mum replace the tank?

    If it is working properly why replace it if you don't have to.
    Originally posted by Belenus
    From 2020, the regulations change and I think all tanks must be changed if they don't comply. It doesn't. I've had it checked.
    • Carrot007
    • By Carrot007 11th Sep 19, 2:49 PM
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    I doubt it can be more than 50 metres away as the neighbours are on the mains.

    I know what the new septic tank will cost - around 10K
    Originally posted by JennyP

    In your property you could do the work yourself (dig, place pipe, easy!). But outside on "councIl" or on other people properties is going to be permits, survey, this and that and the other.


    New septic tank will be cheaper unless there are other houses wantingg to do the same to share the cost.
    • JennyP
    • By JennyP 11th Sep 19, 2:54 PM
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    New septic tank will be cheaper unless there are other houses wantingg to do the same to share the cost.
    Originally posted by Carrot007
    New tank is about 10K.

    I don't know if the neighbours want to connect up - I've asked my mum to find out.

    If you really think the tank will be cheaper, I'm almost inclined to just go for that. The drainage company I've contacted have asked me loads of technical questions that I can't answer and don't know how to find out the answers for like the depth of the nearest sewage pipe.

    Sometimes things feel like soooooo much hassle!
    • tonyh66
    • By tonyh66 11th Sep 19, 3:14 PM
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    Do you know where the main sewer pipe is? it normally runs along the road and has manhole covers.
    you can then estimate the length of drain you need. If the drainage company is asking for the invert level of the main sewer then they are not the company you want to deal with. You need to get one out to look and ask them to quote.
    • snowcat75
    • By snowcat75 11th Sep 19, 7:32 PM
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    I contacted United Utilities and they said that I had to get a drainage contractor to look at whether it's possible. They can't tell me if it is or not. So I guess the person who said about getting a civil engineer was sort of right. If you then go ahead, you fill in the forms for the utility company.

    Snowcat75, could you please give me an idea of eye-wateringly costly? I know it will vary from place to place according to where the nearest mains drains actually is. I doubt it can be more than 50 metres away as the neighbours are on the mains.

    I know what the new septic tank will cost - around 10K - so if it's likely to be more than that, we will just go ahead and do the tank. I'm sure years ago, I looked into this for my parents and it was actually really cheap and easy than to connect to mains drainage but I couldn't persuade them - too much upheaval. Regretting it now!
    Originally posted by JennyP
    Utility's will charge on which way the wind is blowing but seam to start a five figures.

    This week Iv had a marsh 6 pop treatment plant turn up in the yard pumped outlet 2900 ex Vat, There be a few hundred for fittings but even so 6k to put a machine in for the day and a load of lean mix seams plenty on the labour front....
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