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    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 21st Jul 19, 3:46 PM
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    Advice on downsizing car!
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    • 21st Jul 19, 3:46 PM
    Advice on downsizing car! 21st Jul 19 at 3:46 PM
    Currently Mondeo driver, but looking at moving down to something to commute in & out of town (note 16 miles of motorway each way included.)
    I'm used to the Mondeo's big manual 1.8 petrol engine and boot space for bodies but as one lad's moved out & another's getting his test, three diagonal belts across the back is no longer an issue & neither is a vast boot.

    Something mechanically reliable, good rep against rust, as low insurance as possible but with an engine still capable of merging with other Mway traffic without tears. All those smart electronics like rear parking advice etc - I've never had & likely won't miss.

    I'm told CitroŽn DS4, Volkswagen up! & Fiat 500L are all said to be cheap to insure but I haven't driven any of them. Mileage presently under 15K unless we go on a distant camping expedition. (I think I'll hire a bigger vehicle for those as needed.)

    I'm mildly open minded [aka stone ignorant] about a hybrid (local cabbies love them) but since I can't put together more than 5K, I'm guessing going electric can wait.

    Advice & suggestions welcome.
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    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 21st Jul 19, 3:52 PM
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    Personally I'd just keep what I have until it dies.
    Changing cars is expensive, and you presumably know what you have maintenance wise with the Mondeo.
    • benbay001
    • By benbay001 21st Jul 19, 4:21 PM
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    • 21st Jul 19, 4:21 PM
    Well, at the extreme end of small car, I love my Toyota iQ.


    Its a 1.3 with 99bhp, yet weighs 900kg, so its not usual city car slow.


    Has satnav, auto light, auto wiper, keyless entry, leather seats, Bluetooth etc.


    It can seat 3 in comfort, 4 at a push.


    Mine averaged 45mpg during the winter, 48mpg now with a good mix of driving.


    Its insured for 12000 miles per year and is relatively comfy for long journeys for a city car.


    I managed to get an Ikea 4 seat dining table and chairs in two weeks ago (flat packed ofc)


    Cost me £3000 a year ago and all its needed is a service and air con regas.


    A good condition mk2 Prius can be had for £5k or less. They are supposedly very reliable and hybrid batteries have come down massively in price (£1k now, I believe).
    Or a high mileage Auris Hybrid?


    Yes, I like my Toyotas.
    Last edited by benbay001; 21-07-2019 at 4:24 PM.
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 21st Jul 19, 5:51 PM
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    I think the trouble I have with the current Mondeo (& Certainly for the previous one) is that while I know "what you have maintenance wise", I still do not dip the oil tank often enough (I mean once a year, unless taking to known mechanic whose greeting starts with "How's yer oil?").

    Also since I do not have to drive teenage louts around, I can afford something smaller & hopefully cheaper to insure, where I can genuinely say "but you won't fit".

    There is such a thing as a second hand Prius Already? Wow! There's even one in Liverpool for under £2k but I have no idea what I'd be getting into (as I said, stone ignorant] & it looks Almost As Big as my Mondeo.
    • DUTR
    • By DUTR 21st Jul 19, 6:10 PM
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    I think the trouble I have with the current Mondeo (& Certainly for the previous one) is that while I know "what you have maintenance wise", I still do not dip the oil tank often enough (I mean once a year, unless taking to known mechanic whose greeting starts with "How's yer oil?").

    Also since I do not have to drive teenage louts around, I can afford something smaller & hopefully cheaper to insure, where I can genuinely say "but you won't fit".

    There is such a thing as a second hand Prius Already? Wow! There's even one in Liverpool for under £2k but I have no idea what I'd be getting into (as I said, stone ignorant] & it looks Almost As Big as my Mondeo.
    Originally posted by DigForVictory
    Look! You've worked hard for your money, met your obligations, if you want to treat yourself, then you do not have to justify your spend to anybody, just admit, you fancy a change of car , there is no crime in that.
    At present I'm after another pushbike, looks like I'll spend nearer £2k but hey it's my money
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 21st Jul 19, 6:11 PM
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    • 21st Jul 19, 6:11 PM
    Fair enough. You do need to dip the oil more often though!

    Saw a thing on YouTube a bit back where a guy (American admittedly) bought a Prius with worn out battery really cheap. Battery recon place will sell you a guaranteed battery for sub £1000 IIRC. I looked into it at the time. Probably 18 months ago. You'd need to do your own research of course.
    So a certain amount of messing about could get you a cheap leccy motor.
    Must say when I had a ride in one I was much more impressed than I thought i'd be.
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 21st Jul 19, 6:51 PM
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    Looking at the IQ I think that's downsizing a bit further than I'm quite ready for.
    If I were enjoying a mid-life crisis I'd be looking at a 1969 MGB roadster or something of that beautiful impracticability!

    But I do need to get the groceries & run the husband about occasionally.

    Where do I *start* researching electrics & hybrids?!
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 21st Jul 19, 6:53 PM
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    I've got a 1.8 petrol Volvo and don't find it overly thirsty. How much will it cost you to save money on fuel? I don't like the £265 ved but unless I spend a decent amount many cars aren't massively cheaper to tax. Before buying it I checked insurance for various cars and found it cheaper than everything I tried including smaller cars such as fiestas. Your Mondeo might be the same.
    Don't harass a hippie. You'll get bad karma.

    Never trust a newbie with a rtb tale.
    • jimbo6977
    • By jimbo6977 21st Jul 19, 7:46 PM
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    at less than 5 grand you are paddling in very variable waters. i would forget electric at that price. theres not enough available.

    how about something off the wall like a chrysler pt cruiser or saab 93?
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 21st Jul 19, 8:09 PM
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    A godfather had a PT Cruiser & loved it. Not in production so spares will make the insurance more expensive, surely?

    "very variable waters" - no kidding!

    My family grouch I've been Far Too Loyal to Mondeos - well, at least I know what I'm doing even if it isn't checking the oil, ahem. If I can't get serious money together, I'll likely go back for another one! Even if it is far too big for what's needed.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 22nd Jul 19, 7:04 AM
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    CitroŽn DS4, Volkswagen up! & Fiat 500L
    Originally posted by DigForVictory
    That's a very random set of very different vehicles.

    A Focus-sized hatch, a tiny citycar, and a Meriva-sized sprogbus.
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 22nd Jul 19, 8:23 AM
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    If you like the Mondeo - downsize to a Focus? (Boring answer I know) Driving wise they feel quite similar.
    "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 22nd Jul 19, 8:36 AM
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    That's a very random set of very different vehicles.

    A Focus-sized hatch, a tiny citycar, and a Meriva-sized sprogbus.
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    Being stone ignorant [apologies to any stones I may offend], I looked at a chart of the "cheapest to insure" for my age group & these three were on the list. Your summary has clarified my thinking superbly, thank you!

    If you like the Mondeo - downsize to a Focus? (Boring answer I know) Driving wise they feel quite similar.
    Originally posted by NBLondon
    I'm quite tempted by the Focus as it's a "sibling" to the Mondeo, and I have No Objection to boring if that's reflected in the purchase price & insurance! Just as I recall, it had almost no bootspace, so on the major shopping trips it'd be a back seats down job. Or just rack the bags on the back seats. Fewer ravenous teenagers, less food needed to buy...
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 22nd Jul 19, 8:42 AM
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    I went from a MK3 Mondeo 5 door to a Mk 3 Focus 5 door and the only thing I couldn't get in the back was a washing machine.
    "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 22nd Jul 19, 10:37 AM
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    Intriguingly, when driving a loaner ford Ka, son & I could Just Fit a tumble drier into it. It may become a requirement, as this house abuses the white goods (let's not start on the vehicles) severely.

    Also, I Scout &, as air rifle instructor, I need to shuttle rifles from the armoury to the range & back. I may sew a folding "picnic bag" to obscure what's actually in the back. Certainly I'll need to take a cardboard box to check stowage dimensions! (Mondeos can Spoil you!)

    Do 5 doors cost more to insure than 3 door vehicles?
    • LandyAndy
    • By LandyAndy 22nd Jul 19, 11:12 AM
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    Also, I Scout &, as air rifle instructor, I need to shuttle rifles from the armoury to the range & back. I may sew a folding "picnic bag" to obscure what's actually in the back. Certainly I'll need to take a cardboard box to check stowage dimensions! (Mondeos can Spoil you!)

    ?
    Originally posted by DigForVictory
    'Do you mind if I check there is enough room to conceal my guns in the boot?'
    • jimbo6977
    • By jimbo6977 22nd Jul 19, 12:00 PM
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    'Do you mind if I check there is enough room to conceal my guns in the boot?'
    Originally posted by LandyAndy
    Renault used to produce a version of the Express van with 5 seats and a built in gun rack.
    Only came in lhd and painted green.

    Very popular with French game hunters.
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 22nd Jul 19, 12:37 PM
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    I'm looking for something small enough to convince my sons that even if they could all get in, they couldn't sit in comfort (and they bicker in the Mondeo)

    I think a folding gun rack in the backseat/bootspace is my way to go but I have taken a Bren transit case to a garage before now... The sales staff recognised the kicked-by-a-chicken & decided Not To Ask.

    I have no quarrel with green but the ideal vehicle needs to be able to do Mway work without giving me or other road users conniptions so I think a van may not quite meet the ideal spec for the commuting vehicle.
    For holiday haulage, I have to say it sounds fearsome tempting!
    • Clive Woody
    • By Clive Woody 22nd Jul 19, 4:09 PM
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    Skoda Fabia (or the estate version if you want a larger boot). VW engineering at a cheaper price point. A good choice of engine sizes to pick from, one of which should meet your motorway requirement.

    I recently went with my nephew to help him buy a Fabia, he's 6'7 tall so can confirm there is plenty of legroom (although not for the person behind him), plus it was pretty reasonable to insure....for a newly qualified driver.
    "We act as though comfort and luxury are the chief requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic aboutĒ Ė Albert Einstein
    • onomatopoeia99
    • By onomatopoeia99 23rd Jul 19, 7:51 AM
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    If I were enjoying a mid-life crisis I'd be looking at a 1969 MGB roadster or something of that beautiful impracticability!

    But I do need to get the groceries & run the husband about occasionally.
    Originally posted by DigForVictory
    They have a boot for groceries and a passenger seat for husband so get one of them . It'll be far more fun than a hatchback.

    The 1.8 petrol engine fitted to all B roadsters (there was a 3.5 V8 option using the Land Rover engine in the GT) is not the most sprightly thing in the world, but will achieve 70mph with plenty to spare and merging on the motorway wouldn't be a problem. Furthermore, SU carburettors are relatively easy to keep in tune, but you'd need to learn about timing and points gaps as they're likely to need attention more frequently than at the annual service. And to check the oil level regularly as wear in the bores and valve guides is a thing on these so they consume oil.

    (My first car had an 1800 'B' series engine 30 years ago, so I have plenty of experience of them, but it was fitted in a Morris Marina )
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