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    • MSE Archna
    • By MSE Archna 29th Oct 07, 12:21 PM
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    MSE.com Attacked: PPI Campaign Suffers
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    • 29th Oct 07, 12:21 PM
    MSE.com Attacked: PPI Campaign Suffers 29th Oct 07 at 12:21 PM
    This is the discussion to link on the back of Martin's 'PPI Campaign Suffers: Weekend Horribilis' blog. Please read the blog first, and then click reply to discuss.

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  • January Embers
    So glad the Martin and the site are back, really missed it over the weekend.
    This site has helped me a great deal and is one of my favourites.
  • needmoney
    Congrats on getting back up and running just sorry it cost you so much.
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    • mroller
    • By mroller 30th Oct 07, 10:10 AM
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    this is what's called cyber-terrorism, whole countries have been subjected to these attacks recently, like Estonia after a row with Russia, the whole country ground to a halt. We need to get MI5 and MI6 involved.
    • kittykitten
    • By kittykitten 30th Oct 07, 10:11 AM
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    So glad the site is back - I never realised how much time I spend on here or how much it really has helped me until it wasn't there!
    Well done to the tech wizards who have sorted the problem, and welcome back to everyone!
    • fimonkey
    • By fimonkey 30th Oct 07, 10:13 AM
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    fimonkey
    Hurrah I've got through, but son't know how (from an old link I'd saved and was trying to look up).

    Thing is, on my other computer when I try to get through to the forums I stuill get a DNS error message, is the site still under attack? (Tue 30th Nov 11.15am)

    Well done to all those techies and Martin and his crew, we're all behind you.
    • superscaper
    • By superscaper 30th Oct 07, 10:23 AM
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    superscaper
    this is what's called cyber-terrorism, whole countries have been subjected to these attacks recently, like Estonia after a row with Russia, the whole country ground to a halt. We need to get MI5 and MI6 involved.
    Originally posted by mroller
    I doubt MI5 or MI6 are any better equipped than the specialist computer security firms already trying to determine the creators and controllers. Thousands of these attacks happen every week and have been so for a few years now. I think I saw a poll that said at least half of all companies in the UK have suffered virus infection and/or (D)DOS attacks. It's certainly something that needs to be looked at, but the biggest weapon in the criminals arsenal is people not securing their own PCs properly. Stop them using our PCs and they suddenly become far less capable. The exact same mechanism is used for sending spam but they're equally difficult to track and prosecute and certainly the level of spam hasn't ever improved but only got worse.
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    • superscaper
    • By superscaper 30th Oct 07, 10:27 AM
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    Thing is, on my other computer when I try to get through to the forums I stuill get a DNS error message, is the site still under attack? (Tue 30th Nov 11.15am)
    Originally posted by fimonkey
    Your browser probably isn't downloading the page only looking at what's in the cache. Force a refresh, ctrl+F5.
    "She is quite the oddball. Did you notice how she didn't even get excited when she saw this original ZX-81?"
    Moss
    • jmarko
    • By jmarko 30th Oct 07, 11:14 AM
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    Martin and team - well done on getting this up and running again!

    Hope you realise from all the posts how much your work is appreciated!

    Can I also add a quick thanks to the people on paidtoshop who gave us a temporary refugee and those who helped spread the word on Facebook and elsewhere? I know it wasn't quite the same but they gave us a little place on their forum and made us a sticky so we were easy to find. And, in times of crisis, it's good to see who your friends are!

    jmarko
  • jinky67
    Welcome back...even though I didnt find out until Sunday night!
    Was a bit lost on Sunday and Monday didnt know what to do with myself....must be addicted to MSE.
    WELL DONE ALL THE TEAM AT MSE TOWERS
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    • robin58
    • By robin58 30th Oct 07, 12:07 PM
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    I doubt MI5 or MI6 are any better equipped than the specialist computer security firms already trying to determine the creators and controllers. Thousands of these attacks happen every week and have been so for a few years now. I think I saw a poll that said at least half of all companies in the UK have suffered virus infection and/or (D)DOS attacks. It's certainly something that needs to be looked at, but the biggest weapon in the criminals arsenal is people not securing their own PCs properly. Stop them using our PCs and they suddenly become far less capable. The exact same mechanism is used for sending spam but they're equally difficult to track and prosecute and certainly the level of spam hasn't ever improved but only got worse.
    Originally posted by superscaper
    Superscraper I totally agree. First thing I did over the weekend as soon as I noted that it was an attack, was to run all my firewalls,antivirus and malware software with up to date databases just incase.

    I did not want to add to problem. I suggest to everybody who does not have these very important pieces of software on their machines, is to go out there and get them on or get the updates that you haven't done for ages, done.

    It may be a small thing to do but many links make a chain!!

    Also I have had my ISP have 'core' hardware problems in the south-east, so I have had a double wammey over the last 18hrs. It's not and till you don't have a connection or can't get to that favourite or important site, that you realise how important the internet has come.

    To the Mse 'TECHIE TEAM' WELL DONE!!!!
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    How little I know.!!
    • AHAR
    • By AHAR 30th Oct 07, 12:23 PM
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    Welcome back!
    It would be great if ISPs could look out for zombie computers on their network and redirect the users to a page telling them what's wrong and how to clean things up. If until they were clean their connections were limited to only the sites they need to access to sort things out they'd soon put things right.
    It'd probably cost ISPs too much to implement though, so the responsibility will remain with the individuals and we've seen what that leads to....

    Secure your computers! Sounds like an idea for the next campaign!
  • madfrenchgirl
    I am glad the site is back! I cannot add anything else to all the speculations, it is only my personal opinion. May I venture saying something about big loan companies not being involved because they have to be law-abiding: there are plenty of documented cases of big companies bullying the underdog via unlawful methods (BA versus Virgin Atlantic anyone?). Best guess is: We will never know.

    Congrats to the MSE techie team: I hope they get a BIG xmas bonus this year!

    And Martin: why not getting a Tonight's special about the attack for telling people on how to secure their computers with this attack as an example. The vengeful in me might say to use this incident to get yourself and ourselves more publicity but my brain says no: it will only make us appear spiteful, bitter and judgemental to the rest of the world.
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  • MrsW82
    I'm a bit behind with everything - I've only just found out what's happened! (I thought it was my 'Net connection/ pc that was playing up!)
    Can't believe that anybody could be so malicious though - Now who could feel threatened by a non-profit site such as this, in order to attack it?!
    But Yay! to Martin and the techy guys - there's no keeping 'em down!
  • BorisTheSpider
    Can't believe that anybody could be so malicious though - Now who could feel threatened by a non-profit site such as this, in order to attack it?!
    Originally posted by MrsW82
    It's definitely not non-profit, although not everything generates revenue.
    • Dill
    • By Dill 30th Oct 07, 2:06 PM
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    Dill
    At first I thought the servers might have conked under the amount of users, but was quite shocked to find out that someone had deliberately set out to attack the site!

    I guess the disturbing and frustrating thing about acts like this which are comitted in cyberspace is that it may never come to light who was behind the attack and why they felt compelled to go to such lengths.

    A big THANKYOU to Martin and the team for working so hard to restore the service, - like so many others I've really missed the site over the past few days.
    • DaveAshton
    • By DaveAshton 30th Oct 07, 2:26 PM
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    DaveAshton
    You can't keep a good man/site down. Great work tech-guys, your work is much appreciated.
    Back on MSE after a 5 year hiatus.

    Rhi
    • iolanthe07
    • By iolanthe07 30th Oct 07, 2:39 PM
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    If this attack was from financial institution, then it was a kind of compliment in a way - a compliment to the site's effectiveness. Personally though I lean towards the spotty geek theory.
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    • beverleyhills
    • By beverleyhills 30th Oct 07, 2:41 PM
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    Martin and techie team

    Well done for all your hard work to resusitate the site. I'm sure that lessons will be learned so that some good may come from evil.
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    • bedfontbob
    • By bedfontbob 30th Oct 07, 6:41 PM
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    bedfontbob
    wELL DONE
    I agree with everyone about this site. it is one of the most valuable and informative sites I have come across on the net and All power to Maritn and his team,


    Keep up the great work,lets hope that the culprits get everything they deserve.
  • Edna_Bucket
    ...Now I am sure the attacker/s are reading this - so, for their benefit the following:
    Originally posted by ceridwen
    I doubt it ceridwen - I know you meant well but you used words that were probably far too long for the 14 year old misfit probably behind the disruption to understand.

    There's nothing "personal" about the attack on MSE, despite what some have said; it's just a juicy hugely popular site which clearly had some security flaws, and was attractive to the maladjusted teen who was trying to show his friends how "clever" he was.

    Anyway, good to see that it's back up and that Martin hasn't wasted his time while it was down - judging from the picture at the top the hair replacement treatment is coming along very nicely!
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