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    • benten69
    • By benten69 29th Aug 16, 8:59 AM
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    Do you tip in restaurants?
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    • 29th Aug 16, 8:59 AM
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    Do you tip in restaurants? 29th Aug 16 at 8:59 AM
    Wasn't sure if this was the right place to put this, so admin, please move if needed.

    Do you guys (and girls) tip when you go for a meal out? Personally I hate the idea, and it's even worse when you've got the waiter standing next to you as you select "No" on the card machine.

    However, I always say that I don't get tips for doing anything extra and providing good levels of service in my job, so why should I pay others extra for a basic service their employers should be paying them for. In my previous role I saved the company 20,000 a day in penalties by delivering the project on time (a week early in fact), but I didn't get anything extra for it, because quite simply, it was my job.

    Hence, I don't agree with tipping. They are doing a job & getting their hourly rate, so why do I need to subsidize it? Tesco don't tell me to pay extra if I go to a till vs going to the self checkout.

    However, if there is a large group of us and say the bill comes out to 18 each, we'll all chuck in 20 and let the waiter / waitress keep the change. That's the only scenario it works in for me, as it saves everyone the hassle of finding change, waiting to get their change, etc.

    What are peoples thoughts?
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    • takman
    • By takman 4th Jan 18, 1:02 PM
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    They get away with not paying because the system allows them. Just like MPs. Just because it's the law or they have a good accountant does not make it moral or just. How about you start at the top and work down.

    I couldn't care less what you think about me and tips. I will continue to give it cash and encourage them to keep it.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    So if the system allows them to pay a "small" amount of tax then why would they pay more?. You don't pay more than you legally have to so why do you expect them to pay more.

    But like you said if you don't agree with the current tax legislation then you need to contact your MP, start a campaign etc and get it changed. But telling specific people to avoid tax just because you disagree with tax laws is very contradictory.

    I never said anything about not paying tax on their main income. I said they can keep my tip I gave to them and not put it in a central pot for everyone to share which was not my intention. If they don't pay tax on it I don't care. Maybe use your energy to make people pay who cost the NHS of millions who are not intilited.

    You think people earn tips equal there main wage?!.......how silly and naive.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    So you wan't people to be able to receive tips tax free.

    Can't you see how that could be exploited, everyone would be paid minimum wage and anything over that would be "tips".

    Like I said. I will only give cash to the waiter. What they decide to do, I don't care and will continue to do so regardless.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    This is another good example of why tipping is such a flawed concept. People should be paid to do a job and get paid to do a good job and rewarded by their employer. Why should only the waiting staff get extra money when the main reason people go to restaurants is for good food which is cooked by staff in the kitchen and nothing to do with the waiting staff.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 4th Jan 18, 1:03 PM
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    I know people whose tips are more than twice their salary.
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    You don't know anyone who is earning that in Bella Italia, Nandos, Wagamama or the local Chinese or Indian restaurant.....................


    Like I said again.........I give it to them for them. After that it's up to them.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 4th Jan 18, 1:10 PM
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    So if the system allows them to pay a "small" amount of tax then why would they pay more?. You don't pay more than you legally have to so why do you expect them to pay more.

    But like you said if you don't agree with the current tax legislation then you need to contact your MP, start a campaign etc and get it changed. But telling specific people to avoid tax just because you disagree with tax laws is very contradictory.



    So you wan't people to be able to receive tips tax free.

    Can't you see how that could be exploited, everyone would be paid minimum wage and anything over that would be "tips".



    This is another good example of why tipping is such a flawed concept. People should be paid to do a job and get paid to do a good job and rewarded by their employer. Why should only the waiting staff get extra money when the main reason people go to restaurants is for good food which is cooked by staff in the kitchen and nothing to do with the waiting staff.
    Originally posted by takman
    I won't be doing anything other than what I said I will be doing. and the reasons I gave. The MPs and system know what is being done, dont talk like a child..

    All the while the system allows the multinationals, NHS abusers, Fat cats, Bankers and MPs to manipulate the system I will let my own morals decide who and when I tip. And that wont change because you pipe up! lol
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 04-01-2018 at 1:13 PM.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 4th Jan 18, 1:21 PM
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    ... Is dont talk like a child..
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    Someone is talking like a child. But it's not takman.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 4th Jan 18, 1:23 PM
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    Someone is talking like a child. But it's not takman.
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    Then stop doing it............lol
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 04-01-2018 at 1:43 PM.
    • glider3560
    • By glider3560 4th Jan 18, 6:43 PM
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    You don't know anyone who is earning that in Bella Italia, Nandos, Wagamama or the local Chinese or Indian restaurant.....................
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    Really? In a busy restaurant, this is easily possible.

    Let's say they serve 9 tables in a 3 hour period. Each table has 6 diners. Each diner has a meal costing 10. Half of the diners decide to tip 10%. That's 27 in tips for 3 hours work. Minimum wage for 3 hours is 22.50. And that's working on a low spend (10) and assuming only half leave a tip.

    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 5th Jan 18, 9:22 AM
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    Really? In a busy restaurant, this is easily possible.

    Let's say they serve 9 tables in a 3 hour period. Each table has 6 diners. Each diner has a meal costing 10. Half of the diners decide to tip 10%. That's 27 in tips for 3 hours work. Minimum wage for 3 hours is 22.50. And that's working on a low spend (10) and assuming only half leave a tip.
    Originally posted by glider3560

    How about you speak to a waiter in the above and ask. Rather than all the pointless maths. That said they can still keep it from me..............as can the barber who gets a 1.
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 05-01-2018 at 9:30 AM.
    • depapepe
    • By depapepe 10th Jan 18, 3:20 AM
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    Bad at math makes me difficult to calculate tips.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 10th Jan 18, 9:25 AM
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    Bad at math makes me difficult to calculate tips.
    Originally posted by depapepe
    Just move the decimal point one place to left.

    Bill is 65.75, tip is 6.57. Round up to 7.00
    Last edited by Nick_C; 10-01-2018 at 10:50 AM.
    • glider3560
    • By glider3560 10th Jan 18, 6:55 PM
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    Bad at math makes me difficult to calculate tips.
    Originally posted by depapepe
    Most US restaurants print tip calculations on the bill (sorry, "check"). They never seem to start below 17.5% and I once saw one giving the calculation for 30% (I suppose it was one of the wealthier areas of Los Angeles, but still seems excessive).

    Thankfully this habit doesn't appear to have spread to the UK yet.

    • frankennsteiny
    • By frankennsteiny 11th Jan 18, 10:11 PM
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    yes i do if the service and meal has been good
    • SavvySaver24
    • By SavvySaver24 24th Jan 18, 1:02 PM
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    I actually complained about this in a restaurant chain recently. Bill says the usual 12.5% discretionary service charge, we ask for this to be removed, get the shittiest attitude ever from the waitress. Service wasn't bad, wasn't above and beyond either - it was what I EXPECTED for the price I have paid to eat there.

    Anyway, I complained to said restaurants head office and they gave us a free bottle of wine on our next visit. I don't need to give anyone a reason to ask for a charge that is discretionary to be removed - and that was my point to Head Office. They agreed.
    • Carl31
    • By Carl31 26th Jan 18, 2:34 PM
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    I actually complained about this in a restaurant chain recently. Bill says the usual 12.5% discretionary service charge, we ask for this to be removed, get the shittiest attitude ever from the waitress. Service wasn't bad, wasn't above and beyond either - it was what I EXPECTED for the price I have paid to eat there.

    Anyway, I complained to said restaurants head office and they gave us a free bottle of wine on our next visit. I don't need to give anyone a reason to ask for a charge that is discretionary to be removed - and that was my point to Head Office. They agreed.
    Originally posted by SavvySaver24
    I've done that a few times, always the same OTT response, its actually embarrassing. Pizza express was the last time, I dont go there anymore, not just for that reason

    The "service cost" should be factored into the price. You dont go to tescos, get your shopping, then get charged for checking it out
    • austonic
    • By austonic 16th Feb 18, 3:14 PM
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    I generally leave 15% of the pre-VAT price as a tip in cash after paying the bill by card providing the restaurant passes tips onto staff in full (usually they will split between waiting and kitchen staff). I will give more for extra special service.

    A restaurant that opened near me just before Christmas passes on all tips to a local charity (they intend to change the charity every month or so) and all staff benefit from profit share overall.
    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but ignorance is lethal.
    • glider3560
    • By glider3560 16th Feb 18, 3:44 PM
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    A restaurant that opened near me just before Christmas passes on all tips to a local charity
    Originally posted by austonic
    If you are tipping just to give money to charity, then you would be better donating directly to the charity (assuming you are a taxpayer), then gift aid can be claimed and the donation can also be used to increase the higher rate tax threshold.

    • austonic
    • By austonic 16th Feb 18, 4:18 PM
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    If you are tipping just to give money to charity, then you would be better donating directly to the charity (assuming you are a taxpayer), then gift aid can be claimed and the donation can also be used to increase the higher rate tax threshold.
    Originally posted by glider3560
    I agree, and I pointed this out to them. I also prefer to choose myself what charities I contribute to.

    I still find it interesting that they were doing something different.
    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but ignorance is lethal.
    • austonic
    • By austonic 16th Feb 18, 4:19 PM
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    For the avoidance of doubt, obviously if I am unhappy with the service/food I will not be providing a tip, nor do I pay the full price of the meal in question.
    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but ignorance is lethal.
    • emperorstevee
    • By emperorstevee 4th Mar 18, 3:31 AM
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    I don't tip waiters and I wouldn't care if I had to select "no" for tipping the waiter. If they weren't serving me then they are not fulfilling the role the company hired them for. The company paid them to carry the food to my table and ask for my money, my payment for the meal covers the waiter's service, so no they shouldn't be tipped.
    • Kim kim
    • By Kim kim 4th Mar 18, 7:03 PM
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    I've done that a few times, always the same OTT response, its actually embarrassing. Pizza express was the last time, I dont go there anymore, not just for that reason

    The "service cost" should be factored into the price. You dont go to tescos, get your shopping, then get charged for checking it out
    Originally posted by Carl31
    Exactly - service should be part of the price of the food and drink.
    • seatbeltnoob
    • By seatbeltnoob 4th Mar 18, 8:12 PM
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    I do not want tipping culture here in the UK. We have minimum wage and everyone gets paid fairly. We do not need a US system where the staff have no job security working on $2 an hour and need to survive on tips.
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