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    • By MSE Archna 5th Mar 08, 11:06 AM
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    Cheaper Water Bills Article Discussion
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    Cheaper Water Bills Article Discussion 5th Mar 08 at 11:06 AM




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    • skull
    • By skull 9th Mar 08, 6:48 PM
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    skull
    I stand corrected Mobeer & Cardew and I apologise to those who are paying more than us.
    I must admit I was going by tv news reports that people in England were worried that their water bills were going up to £300+ ,when we were already paying £400+ , and I had not taken enough time to read the rest of the thread.
    It's still a lot though, especially as we get our drinking water elsewhere.

    But I should count my blessings, at least we get water here, some people have to walk miles to get any water at all, in other countries.
  • faystevenson
    I applied for a water meter but was informed that due to the pipe situation in the road outside my house I would be unable to have one . United utilities generously knocked a couple of pounds of my monthly bill 0f £40 as compensation. I am a single person in a three bedroomed semi and due to poor health am claiming income support . This seems a ridiculously high amount . I wondered if anyone knows if I could insist that they sort the said pipe out to enable me to have a water meter, and what would be the best way to go about it .
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 10th Mar 08, 4:54 PM
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    Cardew
    I applied for a water meter but was informed that due to the pipe situation in the road outside my house I would be unable to have one . United utilities generously knocked a couple of pounds of my monthly bill 0f £40 as compensation. I am a single person in a three bedroomed semi and due to poor health am claiming income support . This seems a ridiculously high amount . I wondered if anyone knows if I could insist that they sort the said pipe out to enable me to have a water meter, and what would be the best way to go about it .
    Originally posted by faystevenson
    If a meter cannot be fitted you get an assessed charge.

    Some companies base this assessed charge on the number of people in the house, and others on the number of bedrooms. Unfortunately I believe United Utilities use the latter method.

    I suggest you contact the Consumer Council for Water.

    http://www.ccwater.org.uk/
    • tonyhamm
    • By tonyhamm 10th Mar 08, 7:15 PM
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    tonyhamm
    United Utilities standing charge
    I live in the north west which is covered by united utilities. We are on a meter, which far from proving cheaper, has proven more expensive.

    There is a large standing charge on the bill each quarter even though we are metered, which mean any savings are negliable by cutting down on water use.

    But the continual rise in the water bills are where the pain is. As a UU customer you can only look to the regulator to stop the year on year above inflation rises, but it seems the regulator is totally off the job.

    For example - Martin is going on about a 6!!!37; rise. If you are a United utilties customer you get a 7.5% rise. http://www.onlystop.com/200803/water-bills-could-rise-by-up-to-9/

    And this is typical, year on year I have calculated 8-12% rises in our bills - its been far far above the BOE's 2.1% CPI inflation measure which our incomes are tied to.

    .
    • hotbern
    • By hotbern 11th Mar 08, 12:23 PM
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    hotbern
    Dwr Cymru water bill
    Hi there.
    Upon reading all the threads, I think I've got one of the most expensive water bills. £507.94, even though my RV is only £173. We are 2 adults and a baby in a 3 bed semi.
    Does anyone else in South Wales have a bill like this? My water is 65.19 per £ofRV and my sewage is a whopping £89.70!!!

    Think I may as well build a swimming pool and install public toilets for the amount they're charging us!!!
  • nj.bell
    Any help? Anyone?
    We are on well water, which we have to pay upkeep of. We pay for "surface water drainage and foul" Our RV is more expensive than the bill itself. Bill of over £300.00!!! and we don't even have water from them!!!!!

    Going on a water meter will not help us as our water does not come from Dwr Cymru, but they guess how much we use by this out of date RV. 2 adults and 2 children under 3.

    How can we reduce our bill? We do everything you say can help reduce the amount of water we use.
  • lilwead
    Replying to hotbern: I've recently received my new annual water bill from South West Water, covering Plymouth, (which increased by 8.7!!!37; this year,unmetered). And this years bill is !!!163;696.50.
    RV =!!!163;144. Breakdown is Water=!!!163;263.25
    Sewerage 1=!!!163;433.25
    Drinking water has to be filtered to take away the taste of chlorine. Until my gas boiler is moved downstairs, I can't AFFORD to change to a water meter as I have to run litres of the stuff until I get hot water in the kitchen. It's a catch 22 situation. They want you to use less, but you have to spend hundreds more to do it!
    • Chrysalis
    • By Chrysalis 13th Mar 08, 7:22 PM
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    Chrysalis
    I got my bill yesterday and it seems its very cheap.

    I live in a 1 bed flat and the bill is 145.73 for the year and last year it was 137.29 for the year for unmetered. 6.14!!!37; increase.
    • vivatifosi
    • By vivatifosi 14th Mar 08, 12:41 PM
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    vivatifosi
    Don't know if anyone is interested but I've just finished a six month "water experiment". Just before the start of my last six month billing period I switched half of my laundry loads to a shorter 30 degree wash and changed my main toilet to a modern dual flush version.

    Having just received my latest bill and discussed the impact of my changes with my local water provider (Three Valleys) my monthly usage charge is !!!163;4.50 lower. My water usage does not differ from Summer to Winter as I use grey water for my garden and car.
    • testertrev
    • By testertrev 15th Mar 08, 10:43 AM
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    testertrev
    Heard from SWW yesterday that they agree my property is not connected to a surface drain and that they will refund overpaid charges back to April 2007 and amend future bills. My question is that, considering we moved in in 1998, we have obviously been overcharged for the entire period. Is there any merit in trying to claim this from SWW or is there some 'small print' that prevents this?
    • testertrev
    • By testertrev 15th Mar 08, 10:45 AM
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    testertrev
    Forgot to say if you live in the Moorhayes area of Tiverton, Devon CLAIM NOW! I suspect most of the houses will qualify. PM me if you need more info.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 15th Mar 08, 2:04 PM
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    Cardew
    Heard from SWW yesterday that they agree my property is not connected to a surface drain and that they will refund overpaid charges back to April 2007 and amend future bills. My question is that, considering we moved in in 1998, we have obviously been overcharged for the entire period. Is there any merit in trying to claim this from SWW or is there some 'small print' that prevents this?
    Originally posted by testertrev
    Loads and loads of posts about this(search for 'surface water drainage')

    The Regulator has backed the Water Companies in their stance that they will only backdate this charge to the begining of the charging year. Although the charge is plain stupid, there are very sound reasons for not backdating.

    One person has apparently managed to get it backdated(from Thames water) but that is the only case I have heard about.
  • DRAGONZUK
    Am I Paying To Much For My Water
    Hi there

    After some help .

    I received my water bill last week and nearly fell off my chair. My bill for 2008 is 399.48gbp. Now if i lived in a 5 bedroom house i would expect a bill for around this. But I live in a 2 bedroom maisonette apartment with no garden . There is only myself and my partner and we both work full time. Now i contacted yorkshire water last year as my bill was 360.00 last year and i was told my rate was due to the value of my house which was around 150,000gbp but then they said they use the council tax banding. Well my house falls under the bracket b which is 40,000gbp to about 55,000gbp. Now as I'm in a old building which was converted 10 years ago I have been advised I cant have a water meter.

    I'm paying way to much I feel what can I do. It would be cheaper
    to cut the water off and buy cheap bottled water !!!

    Can anyone advise me what to do. Appreciate your thoughts.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 21st Mar 08, 6:34 PM
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    Cardew
    Hi there

    After some help .

    I received my water bill last week and nearly fell off my chair. My bill for 2008 is 399.48gbp. Now if i lived in a 5 bedroom house i would expect a bill for around this. But I live in a 2 bedroom maisonette apartment with no garden . There is only myself and my partner and we both work full time. Now i contacted yorkshire water last year as my bill was 360.00 last year and i was told my rate was due to the value of my house which was around 150,000gbp but then they said they use the council tax banding. Well my house falls under the bracket b which is 40,000gbp to about 55,000gbp. Now as I'm in a old building which was converted 10 years ago I have been advised I cant have a water meter.

    I'm paying way to much I feel what can I do. It would be cheaper
    to cut the water off and buy cheap bottled water !!!

    Can anyone advise me what to do. Appreciate your thoughts.
    Originally posted by DRAGONZUK
    Your property is assessed for water charges on its Rateable Value(RV)not Council Tax. RV was the system for assessing 'local taxes' prior to 1990(it was followed by the poll tax and then Council Tax)

    Unfortunately the RV does not follow the Council Tax banding.

    If they can't fit a meter you can insist on having an assessed charge which is the average charge for the number of people in the property, or in some cases the number of bedrooms.
    • Southpaw
    • By Southpaw 25th Mar 08, 6:22 PM
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    Southpaw
    After other successes such as bank charges isn't this something that Martin could start to push. Get the newspapers, tv stations and radio stations aware of this injustice.

    Surely nationwide there will be many cases of larger more valuable houses using a lot more water than smaller houses but paying similar or less amounts.

    This is not only a rip off for all water customers but also cannot help enviromentally. We continually hear from the water companies during the summer telling us how water needs to be saved. (Although we all know they waste more but thats another story!)

    The water companies need to pull their fingers out and update their billing methods.

    It should be simple. The more water you use the more you pay. I know meters can solve this but shouldn't all the Water Companies push meters more and also look at what they charge non-metered properties.

    To use the old rateable values is just stupid and lazy. Changing it to the current council tax band system at least would help.

    I personally rent a small flat and am not metered due to the landlords wish not to have the property metered. BUT I pay a similar amount to 3 bed properties nearby. With 2-4 people occupying. Surely they use more water than 1 person!!

    Martin can you start the ball rolling with the press!!?
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 25th Mar 08, 7:10 PM
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    Cardew
    I personally rent a small flat and am not metered due to the landlords wish not to have the property metered. BUT I pay a similar amount to 3 bed properties nearby. With 2-4 people occupying. Surely they use more water than 1 person!!
    Originally posted by Southpaw
    Current legislation allows the water company to enforce metering when there is a change of occupant(tenant or owner, so the landlord's wishes should be irrelevant.

    The trouble is that some Companies enforce this regulation rigidly and others don't bother.

    I agree totally that to base water charges on the RV is a complete nonsense; I know of mansions that have a lower RV than an estate semi.

    However I believe that approx one third of unmetered occupants would be worse off if metered.(self evidently two thirds would gain!!)

    Unfortunately many of those paying more would be large families in less desirable properties and tend to be less affluent.

    It would not be a popular move to make this section of society pay more.
  • pingcrosby
    Would i be better off with a meter?
    My current bill for 1st April 08 to 1st April 09 -- Yorkshire Water

    As a single person living in a 3 bedroom house, at work during week. Would a meter be a saving?

    Does a meter only affect the "Water Supply" charge, will my "Sewerage" charge remain unchanged. If this is the case i see no point in going on a water meter.

    Code:
                             RV   Rate£(p) Charge
    ---------------------------------------------
    Water (SC)                              34.36 
    Water Supply             140  103.200  144.48
    Sfc Drainage & Sewerage (SC)            38.87     
    Sewerage                 140  114.300  160.02
    ---------------------------------------------
    (SC == Standing charge)         Total  377.73
    Any comments....??
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 28th Mar 08, 6:59 PM
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    Cardew
    My current bill for 1st April 08 to 1st April 09 -- Yorkshire Water

    As a single person living in a 3 bedroom house, at work during week. Would a meter be a saving?

    Does a meter only affect the "Water Supply" charge, will my "Sewerage" charge remain unchanged. If this is the case i see no point in going on a water meter.

    Code:
                             RV   Rate!!!163;(p) Charge
    ---------------------------------------------
    Water (SC)                              34.36 
    Water Supply             140  103.200  144.48
    Sfc Drainage & Sewerage (SC)            38.87     
    Sewerage                 140  114.300  160.02
    ---------------------------------------------
    (SC == Standing charge)         Total  377.73
    Any comments....??
    Originally posted by pingcrosby
    Welcome to the forum.

    Almost certainly a saving - unless you water the garden daily!

    You will pay xx pence for every Cubic metre of water you use and yy pence sewerage on every cubic metre + small standing charges

    However you can change to a meter and if it doesn't work out cheaper you have 12 months to change back to your old system.

    So you have nothing to lose!!!
    Last edited by Cardew; 28-03-2008 at 7:03 PM.
  • adamd
    Water Meter
    Can anyone explain this to me. Yorkshire water said that i should have a meter fitted as I have fallen behind with my payments. So I say OK then go ahead and fit one. As I live alone this should save me money. So I go to Uswitch and apply for a water meter. A week goes by and I get a letter from the water meter company saying they cant fit a meter due to a ccj (bad credit) but the ccj is from Yorkshire water who told me to have a meter fitted
    ,:confused:
    • raddy59
    • By raddy59 5th Apr 08, 3:07 PM
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    raddy59
    If you can't have a water meter then....
    If you cannot have a meter fitted you can ask your company to base your bill on an assessed charge. Some companies calculate an assessed charge based on the number of occupants, some use the type of property (flat/maisonette, semi-detached or detached) some use the number of bedrooms and some on the average household charge. You will need to compare the assessed charge with your current bill to decide if you will save money. Your water company will be able to give you more information.
    From the Consumer Council For water website - link here:
    http://www.ccwater.org.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.719
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