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    • markkelsall
    • By markkelsall 16th Jan 20, 1:30 PM
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    How much speed do I need?
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    • 16th Jan 20, 1:30 PM
    How much speed do I need? 16th Jan 20 at 1:30 PM
    So, if I am streaming three services (say BBC iPlayer or Netflix, Youtube in HD and Amazon Prime) at the same time, how many mbps would i need from the router?

    I'm trying to reduce monthly cost and could not get an answer to my question from Virgin, just guff about total downloads. I think 50mbps would be enough from what I have researched and that paying Virgin extra money for 100mbps would be wasted for my usage.

    Thanks
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    • littleboo
    • By littleboo 16th Jan 20, 2:45 PM
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    • 16th Jan 20, 2:45 PM
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    • 16th Jan 20, 2:45 PM
    About 5Mbps each for HD.
    Virgin need to convince punters that they need fast internet speeds as that is their USP. UHD streaming is when the bandwidth requirements become more significant.
    • cranford
    • By cranford 16th Jan 20, 7:36 PM
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    • 16th Jan 20, 7:36 PM
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    • 16th Jan 20, 7:36 PM
    VM are upgrading existing 50mbps customers to 100mbps for free provided you joined before the middle of December 2019. If you want Prime and Netflix in 4K its 25mbps each and Youtube is 15mbps.
    Last edited by cranford; 16-01-2020 at 7:39 PM. Reason: typo
    • Marvel1
    • By Marvel1 16th Jan 20, 8:52 PM
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    • 16th Jan 20, 8:52 PM
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    • 16th Jan 20, 8:52 PM
    Standard:
    BBC I Player - 1.5 Mbps
    Netflix - 3 Mbps
    Amazin Prime - 0.9 Mbps
    YouTube - 2.5 Mbps

    HD:
    BBC I Player - 2.8 Mbps
    Netflix - 5 Mbps
    Amazin Prime - 3.5 Mbps
    YouTube - 4 Mbps

    Ultra HD:
    BBC I Player - Not available
    Netflix - 25 Mbps
    Amazin Prime - 25 Mbps
    YouTube - 15 Mbps

    https://www.comparethemarket.com/broadband/content/broadband-for-streaming/
    • colb15
    • By colb15 17th Jan 20, 12:43 PM
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    • 17th Jan 20, 12:43 PM
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    • 17th Jan 20, 12:43 PM
    Was pondering the same thing recently as I currently have 66mb with Plusnet, some deals around are offering 38mb and it would seem to be sufficient for my needs. Only use it to stream HD and internet browsing.

    Anyone moved from higher mb down to 38mb and regretted it?
    • coffeehound
    • By coffeehound 17th Jan 20, 12:58 PM
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    • 17th Jan 20, 12:58 PM
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    • 17th Jan 20, 12:58 PM
    VM are upgrading existing 50mbps customers to 100mbps for free provided you joined before the middle of December 2019. If you want Prime and Netflix in 4K its 25mbps each and Youtube is 15mbps.
    Originally posted by cranford
    They pulled that one on me, saying they would upgrade the account to 70 MB/s from 50. They then used this to try to justify yet another price increase shortly after. In reality the speed never went above 50 MB/s even after the price rise. I walked..
    • Neil Jones
    • By Neil Jones 17th Jan 20, 1:02 PM
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    • 17th Jan 20, 1:02 PM
    • #7
    • 17th Jan 20, 1:02 PM
    Was pondering the same thing recently as I currently have 66mb with Plusnet, some deals around are offering 38mb and it would seem to be sufficient for my needs. Only use it to stream HD and internet browsing.

    Anyone moved from higher mb down to 38mb and regretted it?
    Originally posted by colb15
    You can stream HD on a 38Mbps connection.
    I have Amazon Prime and I can stream UHD/4k content down it no problem at all. I do live alone so I don't have to share the bandwith with anybody else mind you so that may be something else to consider if you do...
    • Marvel1
    • By Marvel1 18th Jan 20, 8:07 AM
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    • 18th Jan 20, 8:07 AM
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    • 18th Jan 20, 8:07 AM
    Was pondering the same thing recently as I currently have 66mb with Plusnet, some deals around are offering 38mb and it would seem to be sufficient for my needs. Only use it to stream HD and internet browsing.

    Anyone moved from higher mb down to 38mb and regretted it?
    Originally posted by colb15
    I'm on that speed now for the last 18 months, down from 50Mb from Virgin, never noticed a difference with streaming. All my tv viewing is through the Internet and I game a lot on the PlayStation 4.
    Last edited by Marvel1; 18-01-2020 at 8:10 AM.
    • suki1964
    • By suki1964 18th Jan 20, 8:30 AM
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    • 18th Jan 20, 8:30 AM
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    • 18th Jan 20, 8:30 AM
    Was pondering the same thing recently as I currently have 66mb with Plusnet, some deals around are offering 38mb and it would seem to be sufficient for my needs. Only use it to stream HD and internet browsing.

    Anyone moved from higher mb down to 38mb and regretted it?
    Originally posted by colb15

    I can only dream of 38mb

    We survive quite well on just 22mb, with two tvs and two other devices going at the same time. ( 3 adults ) A bit of buffering if the grandkids are also playing certain games but that's rare, there may be up to 8 devices connected then
    if you lend someone 20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it
    • A Nice Englishman
    • By A Nice Englishman 18th Jan 20, 8:45 AM
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    I'm on that speed now for the last 18 months, down from 50Mb from Virgin, never noticed a difference with streaming. All my tv viewing is through the Internet and I game a lot on the PlayStation 4.
    Originally posted by Marvel1
    I'm on 36Mb/s with PO Broadband after being with Virgin Media for 12 years at 30, 50 and most recently 100 Mb/s following 'free' upgrades. I haven't noticed any difference, though I'm a fairly light user just web browsing and streaming one HD channel at a time.
    • Meg x
    • By Meg x 18th Jan 20, 2:51 PM
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    I've just switched from Virgin to Vodafone.
    Was paying 49-50 a month for 100mb (which I didn't need)
    Am now paying 21 for 64, with a guarantee that it'll never fall below 50.

    Incidentally, after giving Virgin 30 days notice because they only offered a 10 discount on my bill, I then had a phone call from them saying they'd reduce my bill to only 18 a month if I stayed with them...I refused and said they should've offered me it earlier.
    Procrastination is the thief of time


    ''The world is made of faith, trust, and pixie dust''
    J.M. Barrie
    • Chino
    • By Chino 18th Jan 20, 3:02 PM
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    I refused and said they should've offered me it earlier.
    Originally posted by Meg x
    The phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" springs to mind.
    • Colin_Maybe
    • By Colin_Maybe 18th Jan 20, 6:24 PM
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    The phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" springs to mind.
    Originally posted by Chino
    No, I'm the same. If I've already initiated a switch and they call me back after the fact then they can go swing as I'm not getting caught in a potential minefield trying to cancel the 2nd company within the cooling off period.
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 19th Jan 20, 2:19 AM
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    So, if I am streaming three services (say BBC iPlayer or Netflix, Youtube in HD and Amazon Prime) at the same time, how many mbps would i need from the router?
    Originally posted by markkelsall

    According to Google, a full HD stream can use up to 5Mb/s. So three simultaneous streams would require up to 15Mb/s... and a little extra on top to cope with caching, overheads, etc.
    • Biggus Dickus
    • By Biggus Dickus 20th Jan 20, 9:59 AM
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    Just for reference:

    I performed this ‘download’ experiment in October;...at the time I had 4g mobile router from ‘Three’ (unlimited data downloads) that was consistently running at 50Mbps to 60Mbps download speed.

    1x 4k TV : Watching Netflix 4k UHD ‘Stranger Things’....hardwired to router.
    1 x 4k TV : Watching Netflix 4k UHD ‘Blade Runner’...running wirelessly to router.
    1 x HD TV: watching Netflix HD ‘Peaky Blinders’....hardwired to router.
    1 x HD TV: watching Netflix HD ‘Upstart Crow’...running wirelessly to router.
    1 x SKY+HD box: downloading a HD programme from BBC i-player. ....hardwired to router.

    All five downloads above were running simultaneously,....no sign of stutter/judder to be seen. My laptop was also running (wirelessly) as well;

    ...make of that lot what you will.
    Last edited by Biggus Dickus; 20-01-2020 at 10:03 AM.
    • wild666
    • By wild666 20th Jan 20, 6:57 PM
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    If you live alone the most you will need for UHD is 25Mb so an up to 38 Mb connection would be enough as you can only watch one service at a time.
    Someone please tell me what money is
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