Which professions do you think are overworked/underpaid? Similarly which are well paid?
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Truck driver here. In the top five most dangerous jobs in the UK. One of the most unhealthy jobs in the UK. Some of the longest hours and low pay. Average working week is 55hrs excluding breaks with most drivers either starting or finishing between 3am and 6am in the morning. Maximum working week is 84hrs. Quite a lot of drivers leave home early hours Monday morning and don't get back until late Friday or Saturday, sleeping in the truck every night often in laybys where there isn't even a toilet let alone somewhere to get a hot meal and a shower at the end of a 15hr shift. Hourly pay for many is not much different to an Aldi shelf stacker. If you're earning £35k for a 55hr week you're doing very well and not many earn much over £40k without banging in some seriously mental hours every week. Career progression is basically non-existent. Most of us only now have a pension because the Workplace Pension gave employers no choice.
As a junior doctor i'd suggest not complaining to lorry drivers about long hours and low pay unless you'd like them to die from a heart attack from laughing that hard.
I totally agree that your job is very difficult/stressful/lack of family time
However i wasnt "complaining to lorry drivers" when I made the thread - it was based on salaries for professional degrees in fields such as medicine/law/finance/IT/engineering as mentioned at the bottom of my post.
The work and pay for careers such as yours /cleaners/manual labour/ is a whole different topic. However what I will say is that my hourly salary breaks down to 12/13 an hour - there was quite a bit on the news in last couple years how the Aldi workers you mentioned were making more per hour than junior doctors were0 -
I have some sympathy but at least you have the potential for a significantly higher salary at some point. I have more sympathy for your nursing colleagues who also have to do a degree these days albeit three years who will never be able to earn that much and are just as crucial as doctors in caring for people.
Did you go into it for the money or for other reasons as well.0 -
steampowered wrote: »Your work roster sounds far, far easier than what I have always had to put up with. Though to be fair I do get paid more.
A 40 hour work week is nothing. That is what, 8 hours per day? That's 9 - 5 !!!
You don't seriously think that junior doctors only work the hours they are rostered for, do you? :eek::rotfl:0 -
As a junior doctor i'd suggest not complaining to lorry drivers about long hours and low pay unless you'd like them to die from a heart attack from laughing that hard.
You really can't compare driving to what's involved in a typical junior doctor's working week!
A week as a HGV driver would be a nice holiday for a junior doc!0 -
I have some sympathy but at least you have the potential for a significantly higher salary at some point. I have more sympathy for your nursing colleagues who also have to do a degree these days albeit three years who will never be able to earn that much and are just as crucial as doctors in caring for people.
Did you go into it for the money or for other reasons as well.
As a specialist nurse who often does a 50-60 hour week while being paid for 37.5, I have no issue with junior doctors having a little moan. I wouldn't trade places, not even with the prospect of the consultant salaries in the future.0 -
Red-Squirrel wrote: »You really can't compare driving to what's involved in a typical junior doctor's working week!
A week as a HGV driver would be a nice holiday for a junior doc!
I can't palm off procedures to nurses and lower grade JDs to do, there's no hospital full of staff to help be do things, I'm on my own. And if I'm sick there's no generous public sector sick pay to allow me to afford to take time off work, literally only the norovirus would stop us.0 -
While I do understand your point of view, you do come across as just a little bit entitled, and unaware of the good deal that you are getting. You are young, you are still learning, and you are still getting a decent wage.I totally agree that your job is very difficult/stressful/lack of family time
However i wasnt "complaining to lorry drivers" when I made the thread - it was based on salaries for professional degrees in fields such as medicine/law/finance/IT/engineering as mentioned at the bottom of my post.
The work and pay for careers such as yours /cleaners/manual labour/ is a whole different topic. However what I will say is that my hourly salary breaks down to 12/13 an hour - there was quite a bit on the news in last couple years how the Aldi workers you mentioned were making more per hour than junior doctors were
You seem to think that you deserve more, but why? Are you clearly the best from your course? Are you going above and beyond to make a difference, are you changing the way medicine works, improving systems, looking at ways in which the statistics are misleading and noticing clever ways to improve patient outcomes, or are you just turning up, doing what is expected, and then going home?
In my business that would get you through for a few years, but would then put you in the bottom few percent and likely see you out, never to work again in the business. In your job it is virtually impossible to be sacked, the pension is extremely generous, and if you screw up and kill some people then others will likely close ranks and protect you.
To be honest, given these facts, I could see people arguing that you are slightly overpaid rather than underpaid.0 -
I can't palm off procedures to nurses and lower grade JDs to do, there's no hospital full of staff to help be do things, I'm on my own. And if I'm sick there's no generous public sector sick pay to allow me to afford to take time off work, literally only the norovirus would stop us.
You clearly have absolutely no idea what a junior doctor's day (and/or night) involves.0 -
To answer the title question in bold i would say that for the work they do and the pay they receive nurses and doctors are among the most underpaid and overworked,0
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To answer the title question in bold i would say that for the work they do and the pay they receive nurses and doctors are among the most underpaid and overworked,
I would add to that all the other HCPs such as physios and other therapists, paramedics etc.
Also, carers and healthcare assistants, on much less than even the lowest paid nurses and responsible for looking after so many elderly and vulnerable people. Particularly carers who go to clients' homes and have to run a car and are often not paid for travel time.0
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