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Hang on Martyn - that's surely about rest breaks on a long run rather than fuel stops... When you can guarantee that you will a) always find a free charger and b) can get a decent charge in the 15 minutes you need to stretch legs and visit the loos and possibly change drivers then it's a valid point. Otherwise it's still about the limit of what you might need to do in a day of "there and back" or "visit 4 customers".Wash your Knobs and Knockers... Keep the Postie safe!0
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Martyn1981 wrote: »Ihis article seems to be saying about the same, that a range of 200 miles (actually less) is enough for most folk
A break is a good idea every couple of hours anyway as driving, done properly, is tiring.The mind of the bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract.
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Hang on Martyn - that's surely about rest breaks on a long run rather than fuel stops...
They are synonymous here - no-one cares about fuel stops in an ICE car because they don't take long anyway. If you're stopping for a rest within 150 miles, being able to charge whilst you rest gives you the charge time for free.
If you're visiting multiple customers/whatever, then you can (in theory) charge whilst doing the visit, thus the charging time is free.0 -
Hang on Martyn - that's surely about rest breaks on a long run rather than fuel stops... When you can guarantee that you will a) always find a free charger and b) can get a decent charge in the 15 minutes you need to stretch legs and visit the loos and possibly change drivers then it's a valid point. Otherwise it's still about the limit of what you might need to do in a day of "there and back" or "visit 4 customers".
Not sure what you mean.
Basically the Youtube advice from EV'ers seems to contradict the claims form non EV'ers that the cars will only be suitable when they can do 500+ miles on a single charge and recharge in a couple of mins.
The on-line chats, you-tube vids, the answers I got on here from EV'ers, and the results of that survey/article, all seem to say the same thing about the range of EV's needed to meet the majority of drivers needs, and that seems to be somewhere around 150-200 miles.
Bigger batts sound great (I certainly fell for that misunderstanding), but why pay so much more, for something you hardly ever use, and could be resolved, instead, by an additional charging rest.
Personally, my gut said 250-300 miles (last year), but the helpful comments on here about real life usage and re-charging, have 'shown me the light'. They have also made it clear that the extreme range needs, oft touted by a minority claiming to represent a majority, are BS, just the usual negative nonsense spouted about all new ideas and technology.Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)
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Well lets see how the public react to the new Hyundai Kona.
Seems to tick most of the boxes the public feel they need.
SUV / Crossover Bodystyle
300 Mile Real World Range (64kwh battery)
All the tech and toys to keep it upto date
100kw CCS charging, add 200 miles range in 50mins 140 miles in 30mins
An on the road price of under £30k
And looking like real world quick delivers rather than vapourware.
Ordered ours on launch day 2nd Aug, was offered a delivery slot in 2 weeks but pushed it back to 1st Week Sept so its in a 68 plate.
Should meet the needs of many.Over 100k miles of Electric Motoring and rising,0 -
Stageshoot wrote: »Well lets see how the public react to the new Hyundai Kona.
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An on the road price of under £30k
IIRC, that was held up as the reason the e-Up! didn't sell...0 -
Nowhere near twice the price,
Unless you compare the bare bones poverty spec ICE to the top of the range electric.
But as always the anti brigade have to try and find a way to make it look like a poor choice.
If we have a look at the price list
Hyundai KONA Premium SE
Premium SE 1.0 T-GDi 120PS Manual Sport Utility Vehicle £20,946
Premium SE 1.6 CRDi 115PS Manual Sport Utility Vehicle £22,606
Premium SE 1.6 CRDi 136PS DCT Sport Utility Vehicle £23,906
Premium SE 64 kWh Sport Utility Vehicle £35,656
The Premium SE Electric 64kw (150Kw Motor) is £11450 more than the 50% less powerful 1.6CRDi
Then take off the £4500 Govenment Grant brings the difference down to £6950
So that extra price will be eaten up with savings in fuel servicing etc easily in 2 years, But no its just easier to spout that the EV is double the price.Over 100k miles of Electric Motoring and rising,0 -
They are synonymous here - no-one cares about fuel stops in an ICE car because they don't take long anyway. If you're stopping for a rest within 150 miles, being able to charge whilst you rest gives you the charge time for free.If you're visiting multiple customers/whatever, then you can (in theory) charge whilst doing the visit, thus the charging time is free.Wash your Knobs and Knockers... Keep the Postie safe!0
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Yes it's reliant on there being enough chargers, but it'll be technologically easier to fit more charges than to improve the cars range - we know the range of EV's are now good enough for most and now need to focus on the infrastructure. That infrastructure will grow as the ratio of EV's grows.
The Hyundai Kona is getting close to the sort of thing I'd be looking at, I've not got the budget for new (nor doing enough miles for the fuel saving to justify it), but it's something I'll be taking a good look at when I upgrade in ~3 years, where a 3 year old one will be comfortably within budget.0 -
I regularly make a trip of 175 miles to a place with no mains power. Half the time I am towing a ton trailer. I don't stop at all on the way there. I may stop to refuel on the way back but it takes five, possibly ten minutes max. I don't currently buy coffee anywhere, nor do I want to.
I am considering an electic car for commuting but, in the not so distant future, I think I'm going to have to resign myself to wasting a couple of hours or so waiting for an electric 4x4 to charge on my longer trips.0
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