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    • ~ Daisy ~
    • By ~ Daisy ~ 6th Jan 19, 7:06 PM
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    ~ Daisy ~
    To raw feed or not to raw feed?
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    • 6th Jan 19, 7:06 PM
    To raw feed or not to raw feed? 6th Jan 19 at 7:06 PM
    We have a 3 year old Spaniel, Mum was Sprocker, dad full ESS. Beautiful, well behaved, and above all healthy and loved . I frequent several Spaniel forum/ facebook groups and almost all answers to almost all questions are raw feed them....

    I do understand that a dogs diet is paramount to its wellbeing, I too offer/give fresh/cooked veggies as well as fish and chicken to supplement her dried food. I have been thinking of moving towards a raw diet but am not sure if it will have any benefit to her over all health.

    Daisy.
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    • ~ Daisy ~
    • By ~ Daisy ~ 17th Jan 19, 4:45 PM
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    ~ Daisy ~
    I used to give a wheat free kibble as Penny suffered with dry skin but have sinced moved on to adding oily fish most days which has worked wonders, although it could be that She just grew out of it!
    She does have dark red/brown coat so all the flakes stood out more.
    • Fire Fox
    • By Fire Fox 21st Jan 19, 9:16 AM
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    Fire Fox
    We have a 3 year old Spaniel, Mum was Sprocker, dad full ESS. Beautiful, well behaved, and above all healthy and loved . I frequent several Spaniel forum/ facebook groups and almost all answers to almost all questions are raw feed them....

    I do understand that a dogs diet is paramount to its wellbeing, I too offer/give fresh/cooked veggies as well as fish and chicken to supplement her dried food. I have been thinking of moving towards a raw diet but am not sure if it will have any benefit to her over all health.

    Daisy.
    Originally posted by ~ Daisy ~
    White fish and chicken are surprisingly low in micronutrients (vitamins/ minerals/ essential fatty acids). Fine for occasional treats but not a regular part of a dog's or cat's diet. Consider a complete wet food instead, with or without a complete dry food.

    Please only get into raw feeding if you have a basic understanding of canine nutrition, or with the guidance of a veterinarian.
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    • iolanthe07
    • By iolanthe07 28th Jan 19, 3:09 PM
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    iolanthe07
    My sister's cocker spaniel had such severe digestion problems that the vet was hinting at euthanasia. A raw diet, which my sister prepares herself, has completely transformed the dog and she is now healthy and happy but has to be kept well away from any commercial cooked dog food.
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    • ~ Daisy ~
    • By ~ Daisy ~ 29th Jan 19, 6:23 PM
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    ~ Daisy ~
    My sister's cocker spaniel had such severe digestion problems that the vet was hinting at euthanasia. A raw diet, which my sister prepares herself, has completely transformed the dog and she is now healthy and happy but has to be kept well away from any commercial cooked dog food.
    Originally posted by iolanthe07
    That is lovely to read, so very glad your sisters dog has improved through a raw diet,
    definately a good advert for raw feeding.
    • SensibleSoph
    • By SensibleSoph 6th Feb 19, 7:54 PM
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    SensibleSoph
    As a parent I wouldn’t take the risk of feeding Raw due to the salmonella risks. Most Vets I’ve spoke to confirm this.
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 7th Feb 19, 10:17 AM
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    sheramber
    Most vets no little about raw feeding, or any feeding . Their education is supplied by animal food companies.

    Salmonella can be contracted from kibble and from treats as well as raw food

    https://truthaboutpetfood.com/lets-get-the-facts-straight-fda/

    Just so pet food consumers can get the facts straight – in the past five years (June 2010 – June 2015) – just for Salmonella contamination, there have been 23 kibble recalls, 14 raw recalls, and 26 treat recalls.


    The above is based on the actual number of FDA recall press releases over the past 5 years. But as we all know, sometimes one FDA recall press release includes more than one variety of pet food. Often, multiple pet foods are recalled in one press release. So…what is the total of individual pet foods recalled due to Salmonella contamination for the same time frame?
    .....................

    Lots more information in this link.

    My dogs are fed raw food that is for for human consumption. I handle their raw food the same way I handle my own raw food -washing my hands and the surfaces, containers etc thoroughly after use. Basic hygiene.

    In over 20 years of raw feeding neither my family nor my dogs have contracted salmonella.

    Rw feeding is not for everybody but personally I wouldn't feed any other now. I know exactly what my dogs are eating with no added rubbish.

    They are healthy- oldest currently 14 and still chasing toys.

    Three vets , in different practices, have commented on the good condition of my dogs. None of my dogs have ever needed teeth cleaning.

    Raw feeding is not for everybody but personally I wouldn't feed any other now. I know exactly what my dogs are eating with no added rubbish.
    • harrys nan
    • By harrys nan 7th Feb 19, 10:24 AM
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    harrys nan
    I would definitely try raw feeding, I fed my dog on raw and was very happy, unfortunately, he decided he didn't want it anymore last summer and I was having to throw such a lot away that I decided to put him onto dried food. It wasn't a choice I was happy with but at least he eats now.
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    • ~ Daisy ~
    • By ~ Daisy ~ 7th Feb 19, 4:40 PM
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    ~ Daisy ~
    We have decided against this for now, as freezer space would be an issue initially and as we are quite often away in our camper this also might prove difficult.

    I'm aware this has now become about us as opposed to Penny, but our lifestyle will not always make raw feeding practical.

    I have ordered some samples from Millies Wolfheart and also looking at Canagan.

    She is fit and healthly and as long as She stays that way we are all happy!
    • MatyMoo
    • By MatyMoo 7th Feb 19, 5:20 PM
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    MatyMoo
    I raw feed three dogs, when I had one I managed with one freezer drawer but now they have their own freezer.

    When I am away for up to 5 days I manage with just a cool box.
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    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 11th Feb 19, 2:10 PM
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    sheramber
    As a parent I wouldn’t take the risk of feeding Raw due to the salmonella risks. Most Vets I’ve spoke to confirm this.
    Originally posted by SensibleSoph
    Can you trust dog food companies with your dog's health?

    https://www.hillspet.co.uk/productlist?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn5Xn4Pmz4AIV4bDtCh3i 8QukEAAYASAAEgIewfD_BwE

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/186233081399547/permalink/2177691135587055/
    • GwylimT
    • By GwylimT 11th Feb 19, 4:36 PM
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    GwylimT
    As a parent I wouldn’t take the risk of feeding Raw due to the salmonella risks. Most Vets I’ve spoke to confirm this.
    Originally posted by SensibleSoph
    A bit worrying that your vets aren’t aware that both dogs and cats are able to consume salmonella without getting ill, but that raw pet food is also screened for salmonella.
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 11th Feb 19, 6:25 PM
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    sheramber
    A bit worrying that your vets aren’t aware that both dogs and cats are able to consume salmonella without getting ill, but that raw pet food is also screened for salmonella.
    Originally posted by GwylimT
    yes, just think of the garbage dogs eat- decaying carcasses, thrown away food, various forms of poo.
    • easterbunni
    • By easterbunni 11th Feb 19, 8:39 PM
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    easterbunni
    As a parent I wouldn’t take the risk of feeding Raw due to the salmonella risks. Most Vets I’ve spoke to confirm this.
    Originally posted by SensibleSoph

    My husband and I have caught more bugs from other humans and the places they frequent than we have from raw feeding the dog.
    • Vet
    • By Vet 5th Mar 19, 10:50 AM
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    Vet
    Most vets no little about raw feeding, or any feeding . Their education is supplied by animal food companies.

    Salmonella can be contracted from kibble and from treats as well as raw food

    https://truthaboutpetfood.com/lets-get-the-facts-straight-fda/

    Just so pet food consumers can get the facts straight – in the past five years (June 2010 – June 2015) – just for Salmonella contamination, there have been 23 kibble recalls, 14 raw recalls, and 26 treat recalls.


    The above is based on the actual number of FDA recall press releases over the past 5 years. But as we all know, sometimes one FDA recall press release includes more than one variety of pet food. Often, multiple pet foods are recalled in one press release. So…what is the total of individual pet foods recalled due to Salmonella contamination for the same time frame?
    .....................

    Lots more information in this link.

    My dogs are fed raw food that is for for human consumption. I handle their raw food the same way I handle my own raw food -washing my hands and the surfaces, containers etc thoroughly after use. Basic hygiene.

    In over 20 years of raw feeding neither my family nor my dogs have contracted salmonella.

    Rw feeding is not for everybody but personally I wouldn't feed any other now. I know exactly what my dogs are eating with no added rubbish.

    They are healthy- oldest currently 14 and still chasing toys.

    Three vets , in different practices, have commented on the good condition of my dogs. None of my dogs have ever needed teeth cleaning.

    Raw feeding is not for everybody but personally I wouldn't feed any other now. I know exactly what my dogs are eating with no added rubbish.
    Originally posted by sheramber
    Where is the data suggesting most vets do not know about raw feeding?
    My education was not subsidised by food companies. We all spend large amounts of time outside of work on continued professional development where we learn about the latest trends in the public. We are far more aware of the risks, than the benefits, of raw feeding because we SEE the issues in practice. Your hygiene may be superior to that of the general public - but that does not mean you are exempt from infection. Stay safe
    • bugslett
    • By bugslett 5th Mar 19, 10:55 AM
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    bugslett
    I have recently re-homed an OES pup. The people giving her up said she had a sensitive stomach, which she did even on puppy sensitive food, a few days of chicken and rice helped, switched back to the original puppy sensitive and still very sloppy poos, Switched to raw at the weekend and it's been really good for her as far as I can tell, well certainly based on what I'm picking up ( as opposed to trying to gather and then hose!)

    Hygiene aspect does worry me, never have the dog bowls been so clean and the counter so wiped! Doesn't help that I can' abide raw meat
    Yes I'm bugslet, I lost my original log in details and old e-mail address.
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 6th Mar 19, 10:17 AM
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    sheramber
    I have recently re-homed an OES pup. The people giving her up said she had a sensitive stomach, which she did even on puppy sensitive food, a few days of chicken and rice helped, switched back to the original puppy sensitive and still very sloppy poos, Switched to raw at the weekend and it's been really good for her as far as I can tell, well certainly based on what I'm picking up ( as opposed to trying to gather and then hose!)

    Hygiene aspect does worry me, never have the dog bowls been so clean and the counter so wiped! Doesn't help that I can' abide raw meat
    Originally posted by bugslett
    I use Mistral disinfectant diluted in a spray bottle.
    https://mistralie.co.uk/products/odourfresh-pet-disinfectant-standard

    Sometimes it is cheaper on Amazon
    • melbury
    • By melbury 6th Mar 19, 4:06 PM
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    melbury
    Cold pressed dog food is supposed to be a sort of halfway between kibble and raw feeding. Our dog has this and Butchers's wet food.
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    • bugslett
    • By bugslett 7th Mar 19, 8:52 AM
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    bugslett
    Thanks sheramber, I'll check it out.
    Yes I'm bugslet, I lost my original log in details and old e-mail address.
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