Retire at 60, how?

NewLlrd · 14 July 2017 at 12:25AM

Hi, I'm 30 and I would like to put enough into my pension so that I can comfortably retire at 60.

I has been working for 12 years and for 10 of those have putting into a pension (with generous contributions from my employer) there is now almost £25k in my pension pot.

I put in £195 pcm and my employer £113 (which is the maximum I can afford however things should be improving soon and I may be able to increase this further).

My question is how much do I need to put away each month to end up with a roughly £14k a year pension (or is that an unrealistic dream?)

I have a mortgage that should be paid off in 27 years (I can't overpay on my BTL but when I move in in 5 years I will be doing to reduce the term).

Thanks in advance

bigadaj · 14 July 2017 at 6:06AM

There are plenty of Internet calculators which will allow,you to vary contributions and growth to see how much you might have, always need to consider inflation so increase contributions in line with that and also and ensure assumed growth is reduced by projected inflation.

Lots of simple indicators, you currently out in £300 a month which is a decent amount, and don't say what your salary is but a rule of thumb is the contributions are half your age when you start, sounds like you were 20 so 10% of salary on that basis.

Another is £30k at 30 which shows you a little behind the curve.

£14k a year pension might require a pension pot of say around £300k which is eminently achievable.

You also need to think about paying off your mortgage, at least overpaying, mortgage is often cheap debt and can be exceeded by growth in investments, so it can be better to pay more into pension or other investments than overpaying a mortgage, always depends on the relative rates though.

tacpot12 · 14 July 2017 at 7:50AM

Problem is that £14,000 pension in 30 years time is only going to buy what £8500 buys now due to inflation. For a "£14,000" pension, you need to have saved closer to £700,000. And that would require putting in £500 per month. (Assumes average 7% pa growth on investments, Inflation at 2.5% pa, contributions increased in line with Inflation.) However, when you add the state pension in, you may not need a pension of "£14,000" assuming the state pension still exists then. Is there a reason you omitted the state pension from your calculations?

Suffolk_lass · 14 July 2017 at 7:54AM

tacpot12 wrote: »

Problem is that £14,000 pension in 30 years time is only going to buy what £8500 buys now due to inflation. For a "£14,000" pension, you need to have saved closer to £700,000. And that would require putting in £500 per month. (Assumes average 7% pa growth on investments, Inflation at 2.5% pa, contributions increased in line with Inflation.) However, when you add the state pension in, you may not need a pension of "£14,000" assuming the state pension still exists then. Is there a reason you omitted the state pension from your calculations?

Maybe he excluded state pension from his calculations because it (based on current plans) won't be payable until 8 years after the age 60 retirement he aspires to retire at?

penwise · 14 July 2017 at 8:05AM

tacpot12- could you identify the online calculator or the actual calculation used to get the £70000 figure
Thanks

NewLlrd · 14 July 2017 at 8:22AM

'She' omitted it from my figures because I'm working under the assumption that it won't exist.

I was 20 when I started contributing (but isn't start at £200 per month - this has increased slowly over the last few years.

My salary is £19.5k and what I put in each month is the maximum I can currently afford.

From what you are saying unless my salary changes substantially I won't be able to retire at 60.

I did use a calculator online but it wasn't very clear in how much I need to put it (it only showed what the shortfall would be).

Thank you again l

k6chris · 14 July 2017 at 8:56AM

The best way to expose yourself to the risk of being able to retire early is to save a significant portion of your income, to use to fund that early retirement. Pensions currently provide a useful tax incentive, especially on the way in, for higher rate tax payers and on the way out (25% tax free) for everyone. Best advice that I ever had was to contribute 15% of my gross salary (in addition to whatever my employer gave me) and to work out what I could afford after that. I started doing this at 23. The good news is that if it is taken from source in your payslip, you never get to see it anyway.

In terms of where you are today, to save a pot of money to retire early on, you may have to actively look for a job in an industry that pays more money, and save extra money from a job that pays more in the first place. In general, people who want to retire early should focus on saving for a nice retirement rather than for a bigger car / better holiday etc (this is not aimed at OP, just a general observation).

The good news is that at 30 you have plenty of time to save to a pension, sensibly invested in a low cost equity fund and let compounding work its magic. Good luck, it simple to achieve, just not easy...

Triumph13 · 14 July 2017 at 9:13AM

NewLlrd wrote: »

My question is how much do I need to put away each month to end up with a roughly £14k a year pension (or is that an unrealistic dream?)

To give you a ball-park figure, if your investments had an average return of 4% in real terms after charges and you work on a 4% withdrawal rate in retirement, then that would come out at £14k pa if you were to up your pension contributions by £85 a month gross and then just increase them in line with inflation. Would that be affordable?
You can achieve the same thing by a bigger increase later on, but the earlier you increase it the less you have to increase it by.

Archi_Bald · 14 July 2017 at 9:35AM

NewLlrd wrote: »

'She' omitted it from my figures because I'm working under the assumption that it won't exist.

That is a very sound planning assumption, particularly since it is extremely unlikely you'd ever get it at age 60. If state pension is still around when you get older, you are not likely to get it before you are at least 68. Your focus should definitely be where it is now - on your own and your employer's contribution. Perhaps try to spend most of any future salary increases on your pension? Don't forget to live well though.

OldMusicGuy · 14 July 2017 at 9:46AM

k6chris wrote: »

In terms of where you are today, to save a pot of money to retire early on, you may have to actively look for a job in an industry that pays more money, and save extra money from a job that pays more in the first place. In general, people who want to retire early should focus on saving for a nice retirement rather than for a bigger car / better holiday etc (this is not aimed at OP, just a general observation).

This is good advice. Maximising your earnings potential, especially when young, is a good way to build up your pension and savings provided you don't blow the money on fripperies. And that leads on to the second bit of excellent advice in this post, you will have to focus on saving for retirement at the expense of having expensive holidays, nice cars etc (unless you are able to earn huge amounts of money!). If you read the blogs of people that have retired early, they do not spend their money on cars, expensive holidays and other facets of the consumer lifestyle.

I've worked in the IT industry most of my life and have always been around people that are paid well above average salaries. It's interesting to see how that environment creates lifestyle expectations that eat up these salaries so that instead of retiring early, too many people carry on working just to fund the lifestyle. It's a lifestyle choice - make early retirement a goal rather than having new cars or the latest electronic gadgets.

AnotherJoe · 14 July 2017 at 12:15PM

Without getting into the detailed calculations, you are looking to retire on 70% of your salary at 60 which would require much higher savings than you are making now simply because the "default" if you like is something like 2/3 at 65 (if you go for the rule of thumb of saving half your starting age as a percentage for example).

Add to that, there's a basic level of spending you need whatever your income, which means that 70% of £20k gives you much less room for freedom than 70% of (say) £40k, because in both scenarios you probably have a minimal underlying spend of say £12k anyway without extreme frugality.

So the bottom line from that is not just save more, you need to earn more as well because then you have much more chance of hitting the £14k. The good news is, that you have plenty of time to work out how to make that happen.

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