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    • Jonamora
    • By Jonamora 24th Jan 17, 5:11 PM
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    Electric cars
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    • 24th Jan 17, 5:11 PM
    Electric cars 24th Jan 17 at 5:11 PM
    Just wanted people's opinions on buying an electric car?

    Before long all cars will be electric and therfore is it best to sell petrol car at full value and invest in electric car.

    I don't want to start a new finance deals for 4 years and be complete but then left with and cat nobody wants or has resale value because all are electric.....thoughts

    Jonathan
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 6th Oct 19, 8:40 AM
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    Article on US TM3 sales v's Mustang and BMW 3/4 series. Not sure what the Mustang figures prove, if anything, but outselling the BMW's by a factor of 2 does seem significant to me, as they are comparable(?) vehicles, spec, etc..

    I'm going to say (quietly) that BEV's have now won, there just aren't enough yet, and certainly not in the lower sectors, but tick tick tick tock tock tock!

    Tesla Model 3 Sales = 2× Ford Mustang Sales or BMW 3 Series Sales (USA)
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    • buglawton
    • By buglawton 6th Oct 19, 9:38 AM
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    Such a ridiculous comment....

    You won't run out of charge with an EV anymore than you would run out of petrol in a ICE. There's a little gauge that tells you when you need to charge....
    Originally posted by DrEskimo
    As long as you've 50 miles left on your petrol gauge and act, you'll be fine. With EV I'm assuming much more forward planning will be needed. Hence the need for electronic maps, route planning and probably a bit of AI!
    • buglawton
    • By buglawton 6th Oct 19, 9:53 AM
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    This prog .....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00091x5/rip-off-britain-series-11-episode-12

    you will have to jump about a bit due to the BBC's (and general TV's) affliction of assuming that we have the attention spans of gnats and never running a single story in a linear fashion
    Originally posted by bob_a_builder
    This is much the same story that was reported a couple of months back in a big ST magazine featured. Family finds using large expensive BEV vehicle not fit for intended purpose (due to extremely poor charging infrastructure), returns it and buys ICE CAR.

    BEV infrastructure now is at about the same stage that home electrification was in 1920.

    https://www.myutilitygenius.co.uk/guide/geeks/history-of-electricity/
    In 1921, there were more than 480 authorised suppliers of electricity in the UK. They were generating and supplying electricity at a variety of voltages and frequencies.
    This is what it took to finally get things in order so we could begin to seriously move forward to full electrification:
    The Electricity Act 1926 created a central authority to promote a national transmission system. This system was largely completed by the mid-1930s and was having a voltage of 132KV.

    The Electricity Act 1947 brought the distribution and supply activities of 505 separate organisations in England and Wales under state control and integrated them into 12 regional Area Boards. The generating assets and liabilities of a number of companies in England and Wales were also transferred into a single state-controlled body.
    The current and recent governments have spent lots of taxpayers cash on studies, consultants and recommendations but basically achieved nothing so far. Will it really need a Corbyn-style interventionist government to knock industry and local government heads together?
    Last edited by buglawton; 06-10-2019 at 10:00 AM.
    • ElefantEd
    • By ElefantEd 6th Oct 19, 10:59 AM
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    The "what if I ran out of charge on a smart motorway?" criticism surely applies just as much to any ICE vehicle - the clutch could fail, the exhaust could fall off, or anyone could have a burst tyre (EV or ICE).


    It's not like EVs stop suddenly; apart from the warngins, they generally go into some kind of energy saving mode so you have a few miles to find a safe place to stop. They don't just switch off and park themselves in the outside lane.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 7th Oct 19, 7:44 AM
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    California’s Clean Truck Rule: First Of Its Kind & Long Overdue

    California officials are gearing up to launch a momentous new rule to tackle one of the largest sources of pollution in the state: medium- and heavy-duty commercial trucks. After years of deliberation and public input, the rule is the first of its kind and long overdue.

    Traditional, diesel-burning medium- and heavy-duty trucks – which range from F-250s to 18-wheelers – are big sources of smog-forming pollutants, carcinogenic particulates, and climate forcing greenhouse gases. I’m sure everyone has experienced either holding their breath or coughing in disgust when a truck rolled by spewing black fumes. It goes without saying, but those fumes are horrible for our health and the environment. While California’s electricity sector keeps getting cleaner, pollution from cars and trucks has been heading in the wrong direction.

    To add insult to injury, asthma and other severe respiratory diseases air pollution causes are especially harmful to the most vulnerable among us, including children and seniors, as well as communities of color and low-income communities that are often located near commercial trucking hubs. California already has some of the most effective clean car rules — isn’t it time we had the same for trucks?

    If the Advanced Clean Truck Rule is adopted by the California Air Resources Board, medium- and heavy-duty truck manufacturers would be required to sell zero-emission trucks as an increasing percentage of their annual California sales from 2024 to 2030. The rule would also require fleet owners with +100 trucks to report information about their operation. The data will inform future policies to ensure fleets purchase and use zero-emission trucks.
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 7th Oct 19, 7:53 AM
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    Minor problem with that...
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49746701
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 7th Oct 19, 1:33 PM
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    Originally posted by AdrianC
    I'd have to go Googling to check, but I seem to recall that Cali/22 US states are challenging the decision to remove this 50yr old waiver. there is even some evidence/argument that Trump's powers extend to the issuing of waivers but not to their withdrawl.
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 10th Oct 19, 5:04 PM
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    Dyson have dropped their electric car project, since it's "not commercially viable". They tried to sell the project, but nobody was interested.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50004184

    Meanwhile, Tesla's Q3 production snuck out a week ago.

    https://ir.tesla.com/news-releases/news-release-details/tesla-q3-2019-vehicle-production-deliveries

    Both S/X and 3 production are up from Q2 - S/X by 12%, 3 by 10% (6,140 cars/wk).
    S/X deliveries are down a snidge, 3 deliveries are up 2.5%.
    Total deliveries are another record, but less than 7% up from Q4 2018 - surprising given the ramp-up of 3 production/deliveries, until you realise that both S/X production and deliveries are around 70% down from Q4 2018.

    Model 3 fell out of the UK top-ten sellers in September, too.
    Last edited by AdrianC; 10-10-2019 at 5:18 PM.
    • buglawton
    • By buglawton 14th Oct 19, 7:55 AM
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    The tech BBC programme Click had a good EV edition at the weekend. Catch up on the BBC iPlayer. Included a visit to the Frankfurt Motor Show.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 16th Oct 19, 8:01 AM
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    Been watching lots of news snippets in the electric car blogs suggesting Tesla has been sandbagging on their TMY dates, probably to avoid all the daft FUD they got about the TM3 rollout.

    This article looks into it a bit, but seems to conclude no evidence either way (yet) but original deadline (Fall 2020) is solid.

    Tesla Model Y: “Limited Production” ≠ Customer Deliveries
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    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 16th Oct 19, 8:24 AM
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    The tech BBC programme Click had a good EV edition at the weekend. Catch up on the BBC iPlayer. Included a visit to the Frankfurt Motor Show.
    Originally posted by buglawton
    I was screaming at the tv- crash helmets to drive to 62mph in a straight line. They must get danger money just for getting out of bed.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 17th Oct 19, 1:40 PM
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    Not sure that'll buff out!

    Leading car in World Solar Challenge bursts into flames

    Wrong kind of sunshine perhaps?
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 17th Oct 19, 2:01 PM
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    Guess this was a bad idea for a performance enhancer...
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 19th Oct 19, 9:03 AM
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    There's nothing like a good, clear, co-ordinated government policy on EV's, no there really isn't!

    Energy watchdog accused of stalling electric vehicle rollout

    The Guardian revealed earlier this year that Ofgem’s remit as regulator has remained unchanged since 2011, despite the growing public concern over the climate crisis and new legislation to establish a carbon neutral economy by 2050.

    The regulator refused to allow Scottish Power to invest an extra £42m in upgrading its networks in Scotland and the north-west of England to prepare for rising demand for electric vehicles chargers.

    Ofgem said customers should not have to foot the bill for the company’s plans because the proposal does not offer enough evidence for how much car charging capacity will be used in future.

    The decision has reignited concern that Ofgem’s existing mandate, which aims to protect energy customers, does not factor in the need for long-term investment to cut carbon emissions.
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 19th Oct 19, 9:20 AM
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    PSA have confirmed EV versions of their mid-size vans will be in production next year, and given battery capacity and range figures.

    Citroen Jumpy/Dispatch - Peugeot Expert - Opel/Vauxhall Vivaro - Toyota ProAce (plus the people-carrier versions of each)
    50kWh giving 200km combined WLTP range, 75kWh giving 300km.

    These are a chunk larger than the Nissan e-NV200 (40kWh/200km) - the Renault equivalent, the old Vivaro, is badged by Nissan as the NV300. There's a much wider range of body sizes available - 5.3-6.6m3 cargo volume rather than the Nissan's single 4.2m3. They're also available as crewcab plus 3.2-4m3 cargo, and as chassis-cabs.

    No word on the price/weight/payload yet - c.1450kg payload as diesels compared to 800kg for the e-NV200.

    Could this be the start of mainstream EV light commercials?

    https://media.groupe-psa.com/en/groupe-psa-launch-all-electric-versions-its-compact-van-range-2020
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 19th Oct 19, 9:30 AM
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    There's nothing like a good, clear, co-ordinated government policy on EV's, no there really isn't!

    Energy watchdog accused of stalling electric vehicle rollout
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    August - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ofgem-to-reject-funding-plea-for-electric-car-support-nqmpfqh9x
    ...and August OFGEM press release - https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications-and-updates/ofgem-consults-electricity-distribution-funding-requests
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 20th Oct 19, 3:23 PM
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    Nice little vid on the Uniti !

    It's a small, very small BEV, 3 seater, 12-24kWh batt, and after incentives would cost approx £15k on the road.

    Obviously this is at the city car end of the BEV market, but it would certainly help to lower emissions, and take up less space on (and off) the road.

    Could The Uniti One Crowd-Funded Car Start An Electric Car Revolution?
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 20th Oct 19, 3:43 PM
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    Nice little vid on the Uniti !

    It's a small, very small BEV, 3 seater, 12-24kWh batt, and after incentives would cost approx £15k on the road.

    Obviously this is at the city car end of the BEV market, but it would certainly help to lower emissions, and take up less space on (and off) the road.

    Could The Uniti One Crowd-Funded Car Start An Electric Car Revolution?
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    Or, if you don't want to fight through some vlogger waffle...
    https://www.uniti.earth/uk/uniti-one/

    Oh, great. Somebody's cloud-funding to reinvent the G-Wiz, electric Aixam, and all those other battery San Permis that don't sell currently because buyers don't actually want them any more than they want the diesel versions - unless they're forced into it by incompetence and/or alcoholism in countries that give them that big break...

    https://www.aixam.com/en/e-aixam-range
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 21st Oct 19, 7:55 AM
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    Or, if you don't want to fight through some vlogger waffle...
    https://www.uniti.earth/uk/uniti-one/

    Oh, great. Somebody's cloud-funding to reinvent the G-Wiz, electric Aixam, and all those other battery San Permis that don't sell currently because buyers don't actually want them any more than they want the diesel versions - unless they're forced into it by incompetence and/or alcoholism in countries that give them that big break...

    https://www.aixam.com/en/e-aixam-range
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    You OK hun?
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 22nd Oct 19, 9:21 AM
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    News for the BEV'ers .... BEV'sters .... BEV'ees .... whatever.

    Electric cars to get green number plates under government plan

    Green coloured number plates will be issued for electric cars under government plans to encourage drivers to buy zero-emission vehicles.

    The government said the new licence plates would make the least polluting cars easily identifiable and help their drivers benefit from incentives such as free parking or access to clean air zones.
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