Different mattress sent asking for £49 charge for return
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I already have send them a letter.
You next letter needs to be headed Letter Before Action.
This CAB webpage offers guidance and a sample LBA.0 -
But you haven't sent them a letter that states that you will start legal proceedings, just that you are going to 'seek legal advice'.
You next letter needs to be headed Letter Before Action.
This CAB webpage offers guidance and a sample LBA.
Yes, this ^0 -
You say that you paid by paypal. Did you actually pay from your paypal account? Or did you use the paypal secure payments system on the Beds website? If the latter, did you use a credit card?No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0
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You say that you paid by paypal. Did you actually pay from your paypal account? Or did you use the paypal secure payments system on the Beds website? If the latter, did you use a credit card?
Hi, I paid with PayPal on the beds website, is that any different. I have now opened a case:(0 -
But you haven't sent them a letter that states that you will start legal proceedings, just that you are going to 'seek legal advice'.
You next letter needs to be headed Letter Before Action.
This CAB webpage offers guidance and a sample LBA.
Oh ok thanks, I don't know anything about theses things:(0 -
Upload all your evidence including photos to the Paypal case. Don't waffle, be factual.
You will win the case but Paypal will ask you to send the item back via an online trackable means. Have you checked how much this will cost?0 -
theonlywayisup wrote: »Upload all your evidence including photos to the Paypal case. Don't waffle, be factual.
You will win the case but Paypal will ask you to send the item back via an online trackable means. Have you checked how much this will cost?
That is the thing I am worried about, it will cost more than the £49:(0 -
Few things to note. Mainly it seems as if they are presenting rights given to you in law as a part of that traders offer - that is a banned practice under the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations (CPRs for short).
Further to that, their "guarantee" falls short of the law. You have 14 days starting the day after delivery (not the day of delivery as they state) to notify them of your intent to cancel, you have 14 days from notifying them of your intent to return the goods and they have 14 days from receiving the goods back (or from the day they receive proof the goods have been sent back) to refund you.
They cannot say they would only refund in full if faulty. The consumer rights act (and previously the sale of goods act) does not mention the word faulty anywhere. It is "goods that do not conform to contract". So as you say, if they are not as described, not of satisfactory quality, not fit for purpose etc then they do not conform to contract, the trader is in breach of contract and any losses incurred due to the breach are the traders liability.
Also, they cannot disclaim liability for misdescribed goods.2(a) Exclusion of liability for faulty or misdescribed goods or digital content
5.4.1 Any business selling goods or digital content to consumers is legally bound
to accept certain obligations. These are the consumer’s ‘statutory rights’.
Key statutory rights are that goods and digital content (which is ‘paid for
either directly or indirectly’)
must match the description given to them, and
be of satisfactory quality and fit for their purposes. Contract terms which
deny consumers the right to their full legal remedies where goods or digital
content are misdescribed or defective are blacklisted for that purpose in all
cases under Part 1 of the Act, as well as liable to be considered unfair
under Part 2 of the Act.
Part 1 of Schedule 2 states that the following may be unfair:
(12) A term which has the object or effect of permitting the trader to
determine the characteristics of the subject matter of the contract
after the consumer has become bound by it.
(13) A term which has the object or effect of enabling the trader to
alter unilaterally without a valid reason any characteristics of the
goods, digital content or services to be provided.
5.22.3 The use of terms that allow the trader to change what is supplied conflicts
with the consumer’s legal right to receive something that is in all significant
respects what the trader stated108 would be supplied, not merely something
similar or equivalent. Consumers are legally entitled to expect satisfactory
quality in goods and digital content which they have paid for, and that
services will be provided with reasonable skill and care, but this does not
mean it is fair to reserve a right to supply something that is merely of
equivalent standard or value. Terms should respect both the right to
receive products that are as described and the right to satisfactory quality,
not one or the other.
5.22.8 Rights to cancel. Where circumstances could prevent the supply of the
goods, digital content or services agreed (or a version of them that the
consumer has indicated is acceptable) then fairness is likely to require that
the consumer should have a genuine right to cancel the contract,
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receive a refund of any prepayments. Fairness requires that the consumer
should be given appropriate information, before the contract is concluded,
as to what these circumstances are. Where it is known that, for example, a chosen item could be unavailable from the manufacturer, that risk should
be drawn to the consumer’s attention.
5.22.9 A term which has the effect of allowing the trader to vary what is supplied at
will – rather than in circumstances described in the contract – is unlikely to
be fair even if customers have a right of cancellation and refund. The
consumer should never have to choose between accepting a product that
is not what was agreed, or suffering the inconvenience of unexpectedly not
getting, for example, a product for which he or she may have an immediate
need, or a long-planned holiday, just because it suits the trader not to
supply what was promised.
And lastly.....did they provide you with the necessary information in a durable medium before you were bound by the contract? The necessary information being your right to cancel, that you would be responsible for return postage costs (and where they cannot be returned by normal post, the cost of the return) etc?You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride0 -
unholyangel wrote: »Few things to note. Mainly it seems as if they are presenting rights given to you in law as a part of that traders offer - that is a banned practice under the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations (CPRs for short).
Further to that, their "guarantee" falls short of the law. You have 14 days starting the day after delivery (not the day of delivery as they state) to notify them of your intent to cancel, you have 14 days from notifying them of your intent to return the goods and they have 14 days from receiving the goods back (or from the day they receive proof the goods have been sent back) to refund you.
They cannot say they would only refund in full if faulty. The consumer rights act (and previously the sale of goods act) does not mention the word faulty anywhere. It is "goods that do not conform to contract". So as you say, if they are not as described, not of satisfactory quality, not fit for purpose etc then they do not conform to contract, the trader is in breach of contract and any losses incurred due to the breach are the traders liability.
Also, they cannot disclaim liability for misdescribed goods.
And lastly.....did they provide you with the necessary information in a durable medium before you were bound by the contract? The necessary information being your right to cancel, that you would be responsible for return postage costs (and where they cannot be returned by normal post, the cost of the return) etc?
Hi, thanks for your reply, This is what I got from them today:
Hi there, Thanks for time today, I have been passed your order across from our aftersales team as you want to return the mattress you have purchased, You are well with in your rights to return the mattress in the original packaging as advised there will be a £49.00 collection charge to collect the mattress as advised in the terms and conditions that you agreed o upon purchasing the item or you can return the item directly to us and i can insure a full refund.
Please advise how you would like to proceed.0 -
They keep on repeating the same thing from day one I received the mattress and ignore completely what I am telling them.0
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