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Is this letter a Letter Before Claim ?

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  • Letter of Response goes to the sender.

    As a general rule (once you get to that stage) when dealing with the court proceedings, I'd recommend sending everything to the court AND the claimant's solicitor
  • Yesterday I received this response from BW legal ?
    What usually happens next ?
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  • Redx
    Redx Posts: 38,084 Forumite
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    NCP are new to B W LEGAL so very few examples if any to go on , so wait and see what NCP tell them to do, as you may be the guinea pig on this


    ie:- we cannot tell you what we dont know
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 41,336 Forumite
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    Yesterday I received this response from BW legal ?
    What usually happens next ?
    They will contact you upon receipt of a response from their client.

    Did you not get that far down their letter?
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Umkomaas wrote: »
    They will contact you upon receipt of a response from their client.

    Did you not get that far down their letter?

    That’s what they say but what usually happens ?
  • I've had this exact same letter (but from Excel), I was back and forth with BW for around a year and a bit, reported them to the CSA and SRA and we're back to beginning again with this letter from Excel.
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    What, exactly, did you send them?
    If you asked for a set of documents then the deadline to send them is still "live" - 30 days from when they received your letter.

    So you could respond and remind them of this deadline, and that if they fail to respond according toe hPAP you will report them to the SRA for professsional misconduct. It shoudl be trivial for them to send the documents you requested, as they must have had sight of them before issuing the LBC. If they didnt then they did not perform any diligence.
  • This is the reply I sent to the Letter fo Claim:


    "To whom it may concern,

    I am in receipt of your Letter Before Claim dated 6th August 2018.

    Your letter contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon.

    Your client must know that on 01 October 2017 a new protocol is applicable to debt claims. Since proceedings have not yet been issued, the new protocol clearly applies and must be complied with.

    Your letter lacks specificity and breaches both the requirements of the previously applicable Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct (paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c)) and the new Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (paragraphs 3.1(a)-(d), 5.1 and 5.2. Please treat this letter as a formal request for all of the documents/information that the protocol now requires your client to provide.

    Your client must not issue proceedings without complying with that protocol. I reserve the right to draw any failure of the Claimant to comply with the protocol to the attention of the court and to ask the court to stay the claim and order your client to comply with its pre-action obligations, and when costs come to be considered.

    As solicitors you must surely be familiar with the requirements of both the Practice Direction applicable pre-1 October and the Protocol which applies thereafter (and your client, as a serial litigator of small claims, should likewise be aware of them). As you (and your client) must know, the Practice Direction and Protocol bind all potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time. It is astounding that a firm of Solicitors are sending a consumer a vague and unevidenced 'Letter before Claim' in complete ignorance of the pre-existing Practice Direction and the new Protocol.

    Nobody, including your client, is immune from the requirements and obligations of the Practice Direction and now the Protocol.

    I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

    1. an explanation of the cause of action
    2. whether they are pursuing me as driver or keeper
    3. whether they are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012
    4. what the details of the claim are; where it is claimed the vehicle was parked, for how long, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated
    5. Is the claim for a contractual breach? If so, provide a copy of that contract bearing my signature. Or is the claim for trespass? If so, provide details.
    6. a copy of the contract with the landowner under which they assert authority to bring the claim, as required by the IPC code of practice section B, clause 1.1
    7. a plan showing where any signs were displayed
    8. details of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed)
    9. Details of the additions to the original charge, what that represents and how it has been calculated.


    If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) !!!8211; Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13 ,15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

    Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

    Yours Sincerely,"
  • I sent BW the same letter as above and also got exactly the same reply back. NCP also
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    So you need to reply back and remind them that their 30 days to provide the documents OR explain why the *cannot* supply them is still running.
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