Extra energy account closed - administrators chasing money 2 years later

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  • Herbalus
    Herbalus Posts: 2,634 Forumite
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    I’ve now got the texts and the letter. No mention of what debt is owed. I left in 2015. Funnily enough they attempted to chase for this “debt” in May 2016, but then I had another email from them a day later saying it was an error and that no money was due.

    Don’t know whether ignoring it is the best thing. They’re so incompetent when you phone it’s hardly worth doing.
  • MM46
    MM46 Posts: 56 Forumite
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    My husband has just received a letter from Extra Energy customer services saying there is a debt on a house which we moved from in April 2015. No details of the supposed debt or the dates to which it referred. It was me who dealt with EE and the account was in my name. I have detailed notes about calls I made to them including the last one which confirmed that was the final amount which I then paid. I received an e-mail acknowledging the payment though it did not say it was the final payment. They never put anything in writing, they were terrible to deal with.
    Today’s letter got the account number totally wrong as well as the name. It included a telephone number but no address to write to. When we phoned the number it was a call centre in South Africa. The lady could not find anything on the system but said that could mean there was no amount outstanding or could mean something else which I couldn’t understand. She advised me to ring the administrators and gave me the telephone number - guess what, it was the same number I had just rang.
    I like the advice above about writing to PWC but there was no address given. Can anyone help with that please as they are a huge company?
    I have found an address online
    Extra Energy Supply Limited – in Administration, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP, Central Square, 29 Wellington Street, Leeds, LS1 4DL.
  • Raxiel
    Raxiel Posts: 1,401 Forumite
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    MM46 wrote: »
    My husband has just received a letter from Extra Energy customer services saying there is a debt on a house which we moved from in April 2015. No details of the supposed debt or the dates to which it referred. It was me who dealt with EE and the account was in my name. I have detailed notes about calls I made to them including the last one which confirmed that was the final amount which I then paid. I received an e-mail acknowledging the payment though it did not say it was the final payment. They never put anything in writing, they were terrible to deal with.
    Today’s letter got the account number totally wrong as well as the name. It included a telephone number but no address to write to. When we phoned the number it was a call centre in South Africa. The lady could not find anything on the system but said that could mean there was no amount outstanding or could mean something else which I couldn’t understand. She advised me to ring the administrators and gave me the telephone number - guess what, it was the same number I had just rang.
    I like the advice above about writing to PWC but there was no address given. Can anyone help with that please as they are a huge company?


    https://www.pwc.co.uk/who-we-are/contact-pwc.html call the switchboard and ask which office mail to the named administrators should be addressed to.
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  • We're in a similar situation to MM46. We were with Extra Energy for about 12 months about 3 years ago, and we moved about 2 years ago. All bills were in my name. I received a credit refund when we moved. Wife has received a letter from Extra Energy saying she owes money. The letter quotes her maiden name. She was never named on the energy bill. The letter has an account number on it which isn't the account number I had 3 years ago.

    Extra Energy are in administration and any legitimate letters demanding payment would come from the administrators, not from Extra Energy. Quite clearly, this is a scam. A scam artist has somehow got hold of a list of properties supplied by extra energy, then carried out some sort of trace to determine who lived at the property at the relevant time. They've then sent them a letter demanding payment.

    Don't worry. If a debt is legitimately owed, any legitimate receiving party must write a letter before action - a letter setting out the sum owed and the date by which payment is received. If, like me, your letter is silent on the sum owed, it is undoubtedly one that can be ignored.
  • Genuinely relieved to discover I'm not alone in this!

    In my case it appears that ExtraEnergy messed up when I first moved into the property (in March 2016) and created two accounts. One of these received a bill based on a ludicrous estimated reading a month after I moved in at which point I gave them the correct reading and assumed the matter had been cleared up. They are now chasing for payment for that bill! Luckily I still have meter readings from the start of my occupancy and when I finally switched suppliers but despite providing these and a complete list of payments they are still chasing. Will now follow the advice above and put the same in writing to the administrators.

    Thanks!
  • Mrs36
    Mrs36 Posts: 193 Forumite
    I have now received a letter. Obviously I can't speak for anyone else but although it is headed with the Extra Energy logo and contact telephone number (no website or email) it does have the details of the administrators on the reverse, so I am reluctant at this point to consider it a scam.

    Can anyone clarify how their claim of a debt on an account that has been closed for almost 2 years can happen with the 12 month backbilling limit according to Ofgem?
  • Raxiel
    Raxiel Posts: 1,401 Forumite
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    Mrs36 wrote: »
    I have now received a letter. Obviously I can't speak for anyone else but although it is headed with the Extra Energy logo and contact telephone number (no website or email) it does have the details of the administrators on the reverse, so I am reluctant at this point to consider it a scam.

    Can anyone clarify how their claim of a debt on an account that has been closed for almost 2 years can happen with the 12 month backbilling limit according to Ofgem?


    The backbilling code is a code of practice, not legislation. It's not legally binding on suppliers, although a judge would likely uphold it without a very good excuse.


    What's not clear is whether the code still applies once the company has gone bust, since they're technically no longer an energy company. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try and invoke it, but you'd be better denying the debt exists at all, rather than saying they are out of time to collect it.


    So write back to them, saying that the account was settled on x date and you do not believe any debt exists. Tell them you require a detailed breakdown of how they believe the alleged debt came about, and an explanation of why, if the money was owed, an attempt to collect it wasn't made within the 1 year allowed by the Ofgem back-billing code.


    While you don't want to spend a huge amount of time on this at this stage, if you still have the opening and closing readings for the account, as well as unit rates, its probably worth doing a quick check to see if it's remotely possible the debt exists.
    Electric is easy, its just the closing reading minus the opening reading, multiplied by the unit rate + the standing charge for the number of days between. For gas, assume a multiplier of 11.2 (not accurate but close enough) to convert from m³ to kWh (for a metric meter, multiply again by 2.9 for imperial). That will give you a rough total cost. Compare that to the total direct debit or one-off payments from your bank account. If the difference is less than £30 (enough for rough conversion errors), leave the ball in their court. If it's more than that then they might be right about an outstanding amount (but don't admit to it, let them work for their money).
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  • Mrs36
    Mrs36 Posts: 193 Forumite
    Thank you Raxiel, that's what I've done. Although an email rather than letter response. I've checked all meter readings and billings are correct. There is zero chance of any debt being owed. I have copies of all bills and bank statements showing payments.
  • JohnB47
    JohnB47 Posts: 2,544 Forumite
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    Mrs36 wrote: »
    I have all the bills. All readings are correct, not estimates.

    And why the phone calls? This can't be legal surely, a call out of the blue years later, and a request for payment of money they say is due with absolutely zero evidence/bills to back it up.

    Let's face it, making a phone call is easier/cheaper, than writing and posting a letter. They work on the basis that some people receiving these phone calls will simply give in and pay up. So that's what they do first.

    Oh and by actually getting you on the phone, they've confirmed your identity and where you now live.
  • Mrs36
    Mrs36 Posts: 193 Forumite
    I think that is really underhand (I should clarify that I did not answer the call, and googled the number to find it was EE). I can well magine that someone elderly or vulnerable could easily be manipulated into making a payment without any details.
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