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  • Red-Squirrel_2
    Red-Squirrel_2 Posts: 4,341 Forumite
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    Guest101 wrote: »
    If you want lots of money = make a career choice that pays lots of money

    So you're just spouting the same old bullocks aren't you? When you say hard work and success should be rewarded, you don't really mean that, you mean the status quo should be maintained where some jobs attract a shed load of money and some very little and it has absolutely nothing to do with how worthwhile or necessary or valuable that work is.
  • Guest101
    Guest101 Posts: 15,764 Forumite
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    Red-Squirrel wrote: »
    What's your job title? No way in hell are you clinical!



    And why does that matter? I know the amount of work my colleagues do. I support a lot of it. - If you're asking am I a doctor or a nurse, no. (and I earn less than a doctor does too)


    I'm not belittling it in the slightest. I'm saying that the NHS pays a decent wage to it's staff. (as well as the best pension and plenty of employee benefits)
  • Guest101
    Guest101 Posts: 15,764 Forumite
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    Red-Squirrel wrote: »
    So you're just spouting the same old bullocks aren't you? When you say hard work and success should be rewarded, you don't really mean that, you mean the status quo should be maintained where some jobs attract a shed load of money and some very little and it has absolutely nothing to do with how worthwhile or necessary or valuable that work is.

    1: careful. You're swearing.
    2: no, I'm saying that people are responsible for themselves. If your motivation is money, don't pick a job that doesn't pay well. If not, then money shouldn't be the primary driving factor.
  • Red-Squirrel_2
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    Guest101 wrote: »
    1: careful. You're swearing.
    2: no, I'm saying that people are responsible for themselves. If your motivation is money, don't pick a job that doesn't pay well. If not, then money shouldn't be the primary driving factor.
    Guest101 wrote: »
    ok...

    3. I don't want a fair system. I want a competitive one, where people who actually work hard and succeed are rewarded. I disagree wholeheartedly with rewarding failure.

    Just a reminder.
  • AdrianC
    AdrianC Posts: 42,189 Forumite
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    Those two quotes from Guest101 are not mutually contradictory.

    It seems very simple to me...

    If people work within the public sector, then those roles are funded from taxes.
    If people work within the private sector, then those roles are funded from profits.
    Private sector businesses pay taxes.
    If taxes are too high, private sector businesses cease to be profitable.
    If private sector businesses aren't profitable, they cease to pay taxes.

    I'm not quite sure how there can be any difficulty in grasping these basic truisms.

    All private sector businesses employ people for one reason, and one reason only - generate profits (directly or indirectly).
    All jobs, private and public sector, pay as little as possible to balance supply and demand for the right people for the jobs. If specific individuals make more profit for a business, that business will pay them more, because the business wants to keep them from moving to the competition.

    The "third sector" - charities - are not dissimilar to the private sector, differing in that the profits they generate are spent on furthering their charitable aims, rather than distributed to investors.
  • Red-Squirrel_2
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    AdrianC wrote: »
    Those two quotes from Guest101 are not mutually contradictory.

    It seems very simple to me...

    If people work within the public sector, then those roles are funded from taxes.
    If people work within the private sector, then those roles are funded from profits.
    Private sector businesses pay taxes.
    If taxes are too high, private sector businesses cease to be profitable.
    If private sector businesses aren't profitable, they cease to pay taxes.

    I'm not quite sure how there can be any difficulty in grasping these basic truisms.

    All private sector businesses employ people for one reason, and one reason only - generate profits (directly or indirectly).
    All jobs, private and public sector, pay as little as possible to balance supply and demand for the right people for the jobs. If specific individuals make more profit for a business, that business will pay them more, because the business wants to keep them from moving to the competition.

    The "third sector" - charities - are not dissimilar to the private sector, differing in that the profits they generate are spent on furthering their charitable aims, rather than distributed to investors.


    But Guest101 wants a system where hard work and success are rewarded...
  • Guest101
    Guest101 Posts: 15,764 Forumite
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    Red-Squirrel wrote: »
    Just a reminder.



    And your point being?
  • AdrianC
    AdrianC Posts: 42,189 Forumite
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    Red-Squirrel wrote: »
    But Guest101 wants a system where hard work and success are rewarded...
    Who doesn't? See what I said about supply and demand.

    Equality of opportunity is not the same as equality of outcome.
  • Guest101
    Guest101 Posts: 15,764 Forumite
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    Red-Squirrel wrote: »
    But Guest101 wants a system where hard work and success are rewarded...



    I still don't see your point?


    If you choose a vocation - you are rewarded two fold - once via monetary payment and once via self satisfaction.


    Nurses, Teachers, anyone in the public service doesn't work for free - they are still paid.


    I think you missed off the key bit - I don't want failure to be rewarded, which is what would happen if legislation is passed to prevent property being sold to the highest bidder. You are rewarding someone who has made a poor choice, by safeguarding the interests, at the expense of another persons.


    If your motivation is to buy a house (and not everyone's is) then make the correct choices to do that.
  • Red-Squirrel_2
    Red-Squirrel_2 Posts: 4,341 Forumite
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    AdrianC wrote: »
    Who doesn't? See what I said about supply and demand.

    Equality of opportunity is not the same as equality of outcome.

    Supply and demand is not a system that rewards hard work and success.

    If people are happy with a 'dog eat dog' every man for himself system, fine, just be honest about it! Don't say you want hard work rewarded when that's clearly not what you mean!
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