Mortgage market reformer denied mortgage
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http://www.mortgagesolutions.co.uk/better-business/2018/05/08/exclusive-taste-medicine-blackwell-mortgage-rejection/
A lady who had worked at the FCA on tougher mortgage lending rules was denied a mortgage because she didn't have two years of income as a self-employed consultant.
A lady who had worked at the FCA on tougher mortgage lending rules was denied a mortgage because she didn't have two years of income as a self-employed consultant.
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SouthLondonUser wrote: »http://www.mortgagesolutions.co.uk/better-business/2018/05/08/exclusive-taste-medicine-blackwell-mortgage-rejection/
A lady who had worked at the FCA on tougher mortgage lending rules was denied a mortgage because she didn't have two years of income as a self-employed consultant.
Good! As she states in the article, it's not the rules themselves that caused the issue but rather the lenders' interpretation of the rules...and who can blame them for erring on the side of caution given there were threats of big fines for "irresponsible lending".
This is what happens when regulators interfere in ways which affect the normal customer unjustifiably...
"stress testing" borrowers to interest rates of 10-15% when the current base rate is 0.5%...and not taking into account that LTV will most likely reduce as mortgage payments are made...
Removing entirely from the calculation a credit card balance of a couple of thousand pounds when it would be cleared within 12 months...yet that £2,000 is removed, in its entirety, from a customer's income for affordability and lending calculations rather than as a one-off sum... so that £2,000 is multiplied by 25 or 30 years....
MMR rules have made mortgages much harder for normal working folk who can otherwise afford current mortgage payments or indeed rent payments without any issue...
It's annoying and perhaps getting a taste of her own medicine will make her reflect when she is "consulting"...0 -
Good! As she states in the article, it's not the rules themselves that caused the issue but rather the lenders' interpretation of the rules...and who can blame them for erring on the side of caution given there were threats of big fines for "irresponsible lending".
This is what happens when regulators interfere in ways which affect the normal customer unjustifiably..."stress testing" borrowers to interest rates of 10-15% when the current base rate is 0.5%...and not taking into account that LTV will most likely reduce as mortgage payments are made...
In June 2014, the FPC made the following recommendations to the PRA and FCA:
Interest rate stress test
!!!8216;When assessing affordability, mortgage lenders should apply an interest rate stress test that assesses whether borrowers could still afford their mortgages if, at any point over the first five years of the loan, Bank Rate were to be 3 percentage points higher than the prevailing rate at origination. https://www.fca.org.uk/firms/interest-rate-stress-testRemoving entirely from the calculation a credit card balance of a couple of thousand pounds when it would be cleared within 12 months...yet that £2,000 is removed, in its entirety, from a customer's income for affordability and lending calculations rather than as a one-off sum... so that £2,000 is multiplied by 25 or 30 years....MMR rules have made mortgages much harder for normal working folk who can otherwise afford current mortgage payments or indeed rent payments without any issue...
The normal working person should have no issue getting a mortgage.I am a Mortgage AdviserYou should note that this site doesn't check my status as a mortgage adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.0 -
that £2,000 is removed, in its entirety, from a customer's income for affordability and lending calculations rather than as a one-off sum... so that £2,000 is multiplied by 25 or 30 years....
Trial different lender calculators with and without that balance and see the difference in outputs.I am a mortgage broker. You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice. Please do not send PMs asking for one-to-one-advice, or representation.0 -
kingstreet wrote: »Typically, lenders take 3% or 5% of the balance as the cost of the commitment, so £60 to £100 a month. This would impact affordability but not as much as you seem to think.
Trial different lender calculators with and without that balance and see the difference in outputs.
To give an example. My current lender, with a £2000 credit card balance max prepared to lend was £188,000...without that credit card it was £231,000...that’s a helluva difference!
Naturally I simply cleared the 0% balance.
I know everyone’s circumstances are different but the only change I made was to the credit card balance on completion.0 -
To give an example. My current lender, with a £2000 credit card balance max prepared to lend was £188,000...without that credit card it was £231,000...that’s a helluva difference!
Naturally I simply cleared the 0% balance.
I know everyone’s circumstances are different but the only change I made was to the credit card balance on completion.
Demonstrating as you say that everyone's circumstances vary as do lender affordability calculations.
You may have found a different lender taking a different approach.I am a mortgage broker. You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice. Please do not send PMs asking for one-to-one-advice, or representation.0 -
I find it hard to believe a lender would alter their lending amount by £40,000 on a £2,000 balance.
Are you sure you filled out the affordability calculator correctly?I am a Mortgage AdviserYou should note that this site doesn't check my status as a mortgage adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.0 -
SouthLondonUser wrote: »
A lady who had worked at the FCA on tougher mortgage lending rules was denied a mortgage because she didn't have two years of income as a self-employed consultant.
That's a commercial decision for her existing lender. The fact she previously worked at the FCA has no relevance.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »That's a commercial decision for her existing lender. The fact she previously worked at the FCA has no relevance.
But got to admit the irony there though"It is prudent when shopping for something important, not to limit yourself to Pound land/Estate Agents"
G_M/ Bowlhead99 RIP0 -
Don!!!8217;t miss the key point of the article that her Broker found her a solution.I am a Mortgage Broker
You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Broker, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.0 -
Good! As she states in the article, it's not the rules themselves that caused the issue but rather the lenders' interpretation of the rules...and who can blame them for erring on the side of caution given there were threats of big fines for "irresponsible lending".
This is what happens when regulators interfere in ways which affect the normal customer unjustifiably...
"stress testing" borrowers to interest rates of 10-15% when the current base rate is 0.5%...and not taking into account that LTV will most likely reduce as mortgage payments are made...
Removing entirely from the calculation a credit card balance of a couple of thousand pounds when it would be cleared within 12 months...yet that £2,000 is removed, in its entirety, from a customer's income for affordability and lending calculations rather than as a one-off sum... so that £2,000 is multiplied by 25 or 30 years....
MMR rules have made mortgages much harder for normal working folk who can otherwise afford current mortgage payments or indeed rent payments without any issue...
It's annoying and perhaps getting a taste of her own medicine will make her reflect when she is "consulting"...
Most of the above needs ignoring due to it being complete twaddle.Life isn't about the number of breaths we take, but the moments that take our breath away. Like choking....0
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