Investment advice for person panicking about Brexit

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  • Puddylove
    Puddylove Posts: 507 Forumite
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    I only see one person being rude on this thread.
  • Heedtheadvice
    Heedtheadvice Posts: 2,457 Forumite
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    Carefull now Yorkie. Ruth did say she gives free advice too, not just in a professional capacity, did she not?



    I think many on this board feel for your personal position, however sketchy your posts have been, over your future uncertainties. Do remember though you at not alone in that sort of situation.



    Having said that I do feel there is an over reaction. It is often the case that short responses can come accross as a bit curt or even rude but nothing I have read so far would seem worthy of someone taking offense.
    There are many posts and threads regarding savings and investments with these same contributors pointing out the downsides and giving excellent free suggestions -sometimes during their working day or in their free time. Pointing out what is wrong with asset allocations in investments is a first to help understanding what should not be done and then what might be done better!
    That includes the approach to goals and risk. Generalisms that can be advised but specifics cannot. You have not been specific with your original goals and attitude to risk and your current ones, to me, seem incomplete thus making suggestions difficult.


    I suspect that your personal circumstances, that you allude to Ruth, colour your perception, as you have written. You seem to be very critical of posters but your 'series' postings confuse me as to which poster your complaints are directed!



    The same experienced investors, commenters and professional advisors (who you must realise cannot legally give specific financial advice) have helped many and you can find the basic sensible approach to sorting out finances and then eventually investing, in several threads, if you care to look.


    Can I humbly suggest you look beyond style -I do not think anything untoward has beeen intended- and just concentrate on the substance. If you had by now you might have a better idea as to what you ought to be considering with regards to your finances rather than becoming argumentative.


    .......and it is only fair that this is a public post that you can comment on and, if required, I and others can defend. If you just change your name, like the lepoard, you cannot change your spots.
  • DairyQueen
    DairyQueen Posts: 1,822 Forumite
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    Ruth,

    You are doing a great job of alienating the IFAs and experienced investors. They give their advice on here FOC and don't have the time for flowery delivery. If I were you, I would concentrate on providing the info. they need to help you, and as concisely as possible. You need to listen if you want to learn and they are excellent sources. I haven't found better anywhere on the web.

    There is no point in taking offence when your investor shortcomings are confirmed, The experts are simply explaining the reasons why your investment strategy is flawed. You knew it was flawed but you didn't know why, and you still don't. For example, upthread you mentioned something about checking fund prices and selling if the price drops. Er..... no, no, no. Classic mistake by a novice. A properly diversified portfolio contains assets specifically held to manage risk/volatility, and asset groups perform differently in specific market conditions.

    So, in a single post, could you confirm?:

    - You have three portfolios with different timescales and aims (your own plus each son)?
    - Portfolio 1 (elder son) - Aim = ? - 3 year timescale? Currently invested in which funds ? £35.5k?
    - Portfolio 2 (younger son) - same questions except 7 year timescale? and 23k?
    - Portfolio 3 (your own) - ditto and timescale = ? and £11.5?

    All currently invested in HL (J)ISAs?

    What is your attitude to risk? How would you feel, for example, if elder son's portfolio dropped 50% tomorrow and didn't recover for 5 years? Or 10 years? Perhaps you would feel OK if it dropped 20% and remained 20% below current value at age 18? What percentage drop do you think you would feel comfortable with on your own portfolio and on that of each of your sons?

    With this kind of detail the forum can target advice and provide valuable explanations.

    Would you like to begin again?
  • ValiantSon
    ValiantSon Posts: 2,586 Forumite
    I opened the thread thinking that I may be able to offer some help. I then saw the rude and aggressive posts by the OP towards those who had tried to help her. I therefore decided I was out before I had even started to compose a reply. I doubt I am the only one who feels this way.

    Ruth, should you wish to begin again and show more civility and less hostility, then I am sure that people will give you the benefit of their wisdom. I may even offer what little help I can, but if you adopt the same tone moving forwards (whether under a different username or not) don't expect to get much.
  • Bravepants
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    edited 8 August 2018 at 7:32AM
    I have learned in the past that it is virtually impossible to ascribe tone and emotional intention to text based conversations. Instead one's own imagination plays tricks, especially for the sentitive types (like myself!). I think the OP has fallen foul of this too! I have read all the posts that the OP has "complained" about and have interpretted them much differently. I guess it's perspective at play here. The OP is obviously feeling sensitive to her own decisions and is very much on the defensive. She's also quite a reactive person having posted multiple posts one after the other instead of carefully thinking about her responses and being less reactive and posting as instantaneous thoughts come into her mind.



    Just chillout and look at the advice provided objectively. Your sensibilities are much less important than gaining the well thought out advice from the experts on here.
    If you want to be rich, live like you're poor; if you want to be poor, live like you're rich.
  • dunstonh
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    edited 8 August 2018 at 12:34PM
    Every now and then we get these bizarre threads. It is a shame because the OP has not only completely misread the style of delivery but also misread the content.

    For example, Thrugelmir mentioned what happened with Japan as an example of what could happen. The OPs response was to focus on only the Japanese fund. Completely missing the point that was being made. That a Japan style event could happen anywhere, anytime.

    Or the selling when funds are down and buying when they are up.

    Or the extremely high risk nature of the funds selected

    Or the way they were bought through recommendations of advertising or poor quality journalism (e.g. how the media often focuses on the niche/specialist/high risk sectors)

    Or trying to build an advanced portfolio despite admitting that they didnt have the knowledge to do so and ignoring the comments about looking at multi-asset funds instead.

    Before the days of forums, I used to post on USENET in UK.FINANCE. netiquette for posting was always to keep it as short as possible and to the point. No wishy washy. Bandwidth being the issue back then but also that long winding posts dont sink in as much as bullet point style answers. However, the key thing was to never read posts with any type of emotion superimposed onto them. You can never tell the emotion when text is plainly written. Someone claiming to be in the legal profession should know that. You should never impose a fake emotion onto someone else's text.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • Yes, @ruthcain1 has overreacted to the initial response from @dunstonh and this seems to have set the tone for what followed. However, it might be that she is having the rug pulled from under her with her health problems and career choice now being under threat, so she is probably understandably stressed and touchy.

    Yes, it is also easy to infer a meaning in a post that might not be there, and that posts written in a brief, to-the-point style can seem a bit, well, rude. I always read @dunstonh's posts very carefully because they are always full of good advice and I learn a lot from them (thank you @dunstonh).

    However, perhaps starting a post by highlighting the subject of 'ignorance' was not the most tactful. Neither can one really defend that sort of opening when they claim to be keeping things concise and to the point. To be honest, there was no need to refer to it at all. Sorry.
  • dunstonh
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    However, perhaps starting a post by highlighting the subject of 'ignorance' was not the most tactful. Neither can one really defend that sort of opening when they claim to be keeping things concise and to the point. To be honest, there was no need to refer to it at all. Sorry.

    I was linking the statement that followed. i.e. op says they are an ignorant investor. I then went on to show what they had was unsuitable for an inexperienced investor. Do notice how I used the term inexperienced in my response. I did not refer to them as ignorant. I actually think the use of ignorant is crude which is why I used my frequent classification which is to call them an inexperienced investor.

    We quote bits of text to make it easier to understand why we are responding as we do.

    It actually seems my reference to fashion investing was the key thing they didn't like. Despite it being a very accurate description of what they did. I don't what the other early responders did wrong to be criticised either.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • DairyQueen
    DairyQueen Posts: 1,822 Forumite
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    The silence from Ruth is deafening.

    Ah well, 'pride': the enemy of every amateur investor. Been there, done it, ironed the t-shirt.

    Shame... it will cost her.
  • dividendhero
    dividendhero Posts: 2,417 Forumite
    dunstonh wrote: »

    Before the days of forums, I used to post on USENET in UK.FINANCE. .

    USENET? That's luxury - I started out posting on cave painting forums, hot debate of the time was flint or bronze the better investment?
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