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    • adewolves
    • By adewolves 25th Jun 15, 11:18 PM
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    4 on 4 off Shift Pattern
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    • 25th Jun 15, 11:18 PM
    4 on 4 off Shift Pattern 25th Jun 15 at 11:18 PM
    Ok please bare with me on this as it's a bit long winded but driving me crazy. I work night shifts and do a 4 on 4 off shift pattern with one other guy, working nights doing 11 hour shifts...I get paid for the full 11 hours there's nothing taken off for breaks. My contract is for 40 hours per week and I'm paid on a monthly basis.


    After doing these shifts for a couple of months my manager informs me I'm falling short by a few hours of my contracted 40 hours a week, in other words I'm not averaging 40 hours a week by doing the 4 on 4 off pattern, surely this isn't right. Over a 12 month period surely it would average out to 40 hours a week?


    He then came up with the decision to give me 1 day shift during the month to make up for the shortfall...assuming there is one. That idea didn't last and now he has decided to put me on a 4 on 3 off shift pattern....but still only getting my 40 hours a week, surely this is over 40 hours. Its really getting me down now and want someone with knowledge of this type of thing to put me straight so I can put it to my manager.


    My shift pattern is continuous as follows.


    Monday work
    Tuesday Work
    Wednesday Work
    Thursday Work
    Friday Off
    Saturday Off
    Sunday Off
    Monday Off
    Tuesday on
    Wednesday on......and so on


    But now he's got me doing 4 on 3 off which doesn't seem right to me and surely over 40 hours.


    Correct me if I'm wrong but I assume if I did 16 shifts in a month that averages to 4 shifts a week, 40 hours a week...well 44 in my case as I'm not deducted an hours break. Please any advice would be more than welcome, and if I am falling short on the 4 on 4 off pattern by how many hours a week would this be?
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    • bsms1147
    • By bsms1147 25th Jun 15, 11:27 PM
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    • 25th Jun 15, 11:27 PM
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    • 25th Jun 15, 11:27 PM
    4 on 4 off means you work half the year, or 365/2 (=182.5) days of the year.

    If on each of those shifts you work 11 hours, that's 11x182.5 (=2007.5) hours a year.

    Over the 52 weeks in a year, that averages 38.6 hours a week.

    [Though if your 11 hour shifts only count for 10 hours(?) then your average per week is 35.1 hours]
    • adewolves
    • By adewolves 26th Jun 15, 12:01 AM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 12:01 AM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 12:01 AM
    I do 11 hour shifts, so basically over a 12 month period I'm falling short of just 1.4 hours a week, or 5.6 per month Brilliant and thanks for that mate.
    • adewolves
    • By adewolves 26th Jun 15, 12:15 AM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 12:15 AM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 12:15 AM
    Also if I was on 4 on 3 off how many hours per week over a 12 month period would that work out to?
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    • 26th Jun 15, 12:34 AM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 12:34 AM
    4 days on 3 days off... I work out that it averages around 44 hours a week
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    • fed up and stressed
    • By fed up and stressed 26th Jun 15, 7:50 AM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 7:50 AM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 7:50 AM
    4 on 4 off means you work half the year, or 365/2 (=182.5) days of the year.

    If on each of those shifts you work 11 hours, that's 11x182.5 (=2007.5) hours a year.

    Over the 52 weeks in a year, that averages 38.6 hours a week.

    [Though if your 11 hour shifts only count for 10 hours(?) then your average per week is 35.1 hours]
    Originally posted by bsms1147
    Don't forget holidays...
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    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 26th Jun 15, 7:51 AM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 7:51 AM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 7:51 AM
    4 on 3 off is just a normal 7 day week. 44hrs

    4 on 4 off works out as a 16 week cycle 14*4-4 shifts.

    56d on 56d off over 112days.

    3.5 days/38.5hrs per week average(12hr shifts is 42hr average).

    (you can't use a full years as 16weeks does not fit into 52)

    If they can't get the hours right then what holidays do you get?
    • specialboy
    • By specialboy 26th Jun 15, 12:15 PM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 12:15 PM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 12:15 PM
    How does he propose to give you 4 on 3 off with only one other guy? I work permanent nights with one other person and we do 2 on, 3 off, 2 on and then 2 off, 3 on, 2 off. Works great for us as we get every other weekend off. Can you extend your shift by 25 mins to increase your hours?
    • specialboy
    • By specialboy 26th Jun 15, 12:20 PM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 12:20 PM
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    • 26th Jun 15, 12:20 PM
    To simplify, at the moment you do 11 hours a night, that's 77 hours between you both per week so you work an average of 38.5 hours a week each and need to increase this somehow by 1.5 hours each.
    • mike3liz
    • By mike3liz 26th May 16, 5:24 AM
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    Same type of question can anyone help..
    We also work 4 on 4 off 12 hour shifts, we get paid for our lunch breaks and get 19.6 days annual holiday, how would you work out how many public/bank holidays we receive? we have been told instead of getting 6 day's public holiday's for 2016/17 they have calculated it as 50.53 hours which works out at 4 days 2 hours and 53 minutes, is this correct, should we not get 6 days @ 12 hours
    • Mark636
    • By Mark636 13th Mar 18, 9:51 AM
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    Bank holidays are irrelevant. You are entitled to the same as any other employed person in the UK. This may or may not include bank holidays but will still remain the same regarding the number of days you are paid to take holiday. If you work a bank holiday, you have not taken the day off and therefore still have that day to use elsewhere. It does not make a difference, you MUST, BY LAW, be given the statutory 5.6 weeks a year. That's 5.6 x 1 day per week = 5.6 days paid holiday a year for someone working one day a week. 5.6 x 5 days per week = 28 days paid holiday per year. Both receive 5.6 weeks paid holiday, it just happens that the former is paid one day that week and latter, 5 days.
    You are entitled to 5.6 weeks off paid . I calculate you working hours as:
    4 on 4 off = working for 365/2 days per year = 182.5 days
    182.5/52 weeks = 3.5096 hours worked per week average
    3.5096 x 5.6 = 19.65 days paid leave per year
    A bank holiday, like any other day of the year, can be used s one of those days. If you DO work a bank holiday then , like any other day of the year, you have not received paid leave for that day and therefore still have that day to use as holiday later on. I hope this makes sense. Essentially, my point is that this calculation is indeed correct
    • Xbigman
    • By Xbigman 13th Mar 18, 11:28 PM
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    Bank holidays are irrelevant. You are entitled to the same as any other employed person in the UK. This may or may not include bank holidays but will still remain the same regarding the number of days you are paid to take holiday. If you work a bank holiday, you have not taken the day off and therefore still have that day to use elsewhere. It does not make a difference, you MUST, BY LAW, be given the statutory 5.6 weeks a year. That's 5.6 x 1 day per week = 5.6 days paid holiday a year for someone working one day a week. 5.6 x 5 days per week = 28 days paid holiday per year. Both receive 5.6 weeks paid holiday, it just happens that the former is paid one day that week and latter, 5 days.
    You are entitled to 5.6 weeks off paid . I calculate you working hours as:
    4 on 4 off = working for 365/2 days per year = 182.5 days
    182.5/52 weeks = 3.5096 days worked per week average
    3.5096 x 5.6 = 19.65 days paid leave per year
    A bank holiday, like any other day of the year, can be used s one of those days. If you DO work a bank holiday then , like any other day of the year, you have not received paid leave for that day and therefore still have that day to use as holiday later on. I hope this makes sense. Essentially, my point is that this calculation is indeed correct
    Originally posted by Mark636
    The word in red is, I think, correct. Apart from that I agree. You get 19.65 days of 12 hour shifts off including bank holidays. How your company handles the fraction of a day is pretty much up to them as long as you don't lose out.


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    • paddedjohn
    • By paddedjohn 14th Mar 18, 2:09 AM
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    All that working out for a question asked 2 years ago.
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    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 14th Mar 18, 4:51 AM
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    All that working out for a question asked 2 years ago.
    Originally posted by paddedjohn
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    Better late than never

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