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Court Claim received from Gladstone on behalf of PACE Recovery

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  • Enrique123
    Enrique123 Posts: 44 Forumite
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    Also - I have not put anywhere the allegation of PACE and Gladstone who claim I overwrote the permit and therefore invalidated the permit. I wondered how best to word this...
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,686 Forumite
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    As your first post says this to us:
    I am not a resident myself, however from September through to January last year, I stayed at my brother's place, who is a resident and provided me with a visitor's parking permit, which i filled in and placed on my dashboard for every occasion I left my car in the carpark.

    I suggest you do not commit perjury and try to tell a Court this lie:
    It is denied that the Defendant was the driver of the vehicle.
    Just wanted to confirm around this point that my brother owns the freehold property and has access to the communal car park, although cannot see this on his deed anywhere
    Good, it is an amenity he enjoys as a freeholder then.

    Who does the freeholder pay for the permits (PACE or a Managing Agent, or car park owner?), and has he owned the flat/enjoyed an unfettered right to park, before PACE rocked up to ruin the residents' peaceful enjoyment? Does his ownership pre-date the PPC infestation?
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  • Enrique123
    Enrique123 Posts: 44 Forumite
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    thanks Coupon-mad. I will remove s5 in it's entirety.

    "Good, it is an amenity he enjoys as a freeholder then.

    Who does the freeholder pay for the permits (PACE or a Managing Agent, or car park owner?), and has he owned the flat/enjoyed an unfettered right to park, before PACE rocked up to ruin the residents' peaceful enjoyment? Does his ownership pre-date the PPC infestation?"

    In relation to this question above, my brother applies to the council directly for the permit and there is no interaction with PACE. I understand that this has always been the arrangement since he bought the property in 2005. He's also mentioned that there is no paperwork around the parking and it is not mentioned in his deed
  • Enrique123
    Enrique123 Posts: 44 Forumite
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    Hi All,

    Just to confirm that I can submit my defence by 16 Juy 4pm? (How is this calculated as I assumed it was 28 days from 11 June).

    Also just wanted to check if there what would be the best way to include the allegation made by PACE and Gladstone who claim I overwrote the permit and therefore invalidated the permit. I wondered how best to word this... I think that this point from the Parking Prankster Blog may be valid:Data Protection

    All this means that residential parking is quite a minefield for everyone, and parking companies are quite likely to get this wrong. If a parking company gets your personal information from the DVLA for a situation where a charge is not valid, then it is highly likely that a breach of data protection laws has taken place. In this situation the case of Vidal-Hall v Google Inc [2014] EWHC 13 (QB) provides authority that misuse of personal data is a tort and that damages may be non-pecuniary. The case of Halliday v Creation Consumer Finance Ltd [2013] All ER (D) 199 provides authority that a reasonable sum for compensation would be £750."

    Final question: Where can I obtain the relevant case details/ excerpts for the cases I have quoted.

    Many thanks in advance.
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 37,640 Forumite
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    Hi All,

    Just to confirm that I can submit my defence by 16 Juy 4pm? (How is this calculated as I assumed it was 28 days from 11 June).
    Read from this post onwards for your answer:
    forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=74504548#post74504548


    When you are happy with the content, your Defence should be filed via email as described here:

    1) print your Defence
    2) sign it
    3) scan the signed document back in and save it as a pdf.
    4) send that pdf as an email attachment to CCBCAQ@Justice.gov.uk
    5) just put the claim number and the word Defence in the email title, and in the body of the email something like 'Please find my Defence attached'.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,686 Forumite
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    Where can I obtain the relevant case details/ excerpts for the cases I have quoted.
    On the Parking Prankster case law pages.
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  • Enrique123
    Enrique123 Posts: 44 Forumite
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    I will be submitting the below statement via email tomorrow. In addition to the below - do I need to submit anything else online (I note that the defence can also be submitted here).



    Preliminary
    1. The Particulars of Claim lack specificity and are embarrassing. The Defendant is prejudiced and is unable to prepare a full and complete Defence. The Defendant reserves the right to seek from the Court permission to serve an Amended Defence should the Claimant add to or expand his Particulars at a later stage of these proceedings and/or to limit the Claimant only to the unevidenced allegations in the Particulars.

    2. The Particulars of Claim fail to refer to the material terms of any contract and neither comply with the CPR 16 in respect of statements of case, nor the relevant practice direction in respect of claims formed by contract or conduct. The Defendant further notes the Claimant's failure to engage in pre-action correspondence in accordance with the pre-action protocol and with the express aim of avoiding contested litigation.

    Background
    3. It is admitted that at all material times the Defendant is the registered keeper of vehicle registration mark XXZZZ which is the subject of these proceedings. The vehicle is insured with [provider] with [number] of named drivers permitted to use it.

    4. It is admitted that on [date1], [date2] and [date3] the Defendant's vehicle was parked at [location]

    5. It is denied that any "parking charges or indemnity costs" (whatever they might be) as stated on the Particulars of claim are owed and any debt is denied in its entirety.

    Authority to Park and Primacy of Contract

    6. It is denied that the Defendant or lawful users of his/her vehicle were in breach of any parking conditions or were not permitted to park in circumstances where an express permission to park had been granted to the Defendant permitting the above mentioned vehicle to be parked by the current occupier and leaseholder of [address], whose tenancy agreement permits the parking of vehicle(s) on land. The Defendant avers that there was an absolute entitlement to park deriving from the terms of the lease, which cannot be fettered by any alleged parking terms. The lease terms provide the right to park a vehicle in the relevant allocated bay, without limitation as to type of vehicle, ownership of vehicle, the user of the vehicle or the requirement to display a parking permit. A copy of the lease will be provided to the Court, together with witness evidence that prior permission to park had been given.

    7. The Defendant avers that the operator's signs cannot (i) override the existing rights enjoyed by residents and their visitors and (ii) that parking easements cannot retrospectively and unilaterally be restricted where provided for within the lease. The Defendant will rely upon the judgments on appeal of HHJ Harris QC in Jopson v Homeguard Services Ltd (2016) and of Sir Christopher Slade in K-Sultana Saeed v Plustrade Ltd [2001] EWCA Civ 2011. The Court will be referred to further similar fact cases in the event that this matter proceeds to trial.

    7. Accordingly it is denied that:
    7.1. there was any agreement as between the Defendant or driver of the vehicle and the Claimant
    7.2. there was any obligation (at all) to display a permit; and
    7.3. the Claimant has suffered loss or damage or that there is a lawful basis to pursue a claim for loss.

    8. The Defendant parked legitimately in a marked bay, used without penalty for many years, by various residents at the site.

    9. Parking easements cannot retrospectively and unilaterally be restricted where provided for within the lease. The Defendant will rely upon the judgments on appeal of HHJ Harris QC in Jopson v Homeguard Services Ltd (2016) and of Sir Christopher Slade in K-Sultana Saeed v Plustrade Ltd [2001] EWCA Civ 2011. The Court will be referred to further similar fact cases in the event that this matter proceeds to trial.


    Alternative Defence - Failure to set out clearly parking terms
    10. In the alternative, the Defendant relies upon ParkingEye Ltd v Barry Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 insofar as the Court were willing to consider the imposition of a penalty in the context of a site of commercial value and where the signage regarding the penalties imposed for any breach of parking terms were clear - both upon entry to the site and throughout.
    10.1. The Defendant avers that the parking signage in this matter was, without prejudice to his/her primary defence above, inadequate. 11.1.1. At the time of the material events the signage was deficient in number, distribution, wording and lighting to reasonably convey a contractual obligation;
    10.1.2. The signage did not comply with the requirements of the Code of Practice of the Independent Parking Committee' ("IPC") Accredited Operators Scheme, an organisation to which the Claimant was a signatory; and11.1.3. The signage contained particularly onerous terms not sufficiently drawn to the attention of the visitor as set out in the leading judgment of Denning MR in J Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] EWCA Civ 3
    10.2. The Defendant avers that the residential site that is the subject of these proceedings is not a site where there is a commercial value to be protected. The Claimant has not suffered loss or pecuniary disadvantage. The penalty charge is, accordingly, unconscionable in this context, with ParkingEye distinguished.

    11. The Defendant denies any separate contract with the Claimant in respect of parking arrangements. The Claimant has offered nothing by way of consideration, given the primacy of contract enjoyed by residents who already have rights of way, and have been parking in that space for years and have a reasonable expectation to continue to do so, free of harassment, predatory conduct and 'parking charges'.

    11.1. The Defendant avers that the parking signage in this matter was, without prejudice to his/her primary defence above, inadequate.
    11.1.1. At the time of the material events the signage was deficient in number, distribution, wording and lighting to reasonably convey a contractual obligation;
    11.1.2. The signage did not comply with the requirements of the Code of Practice of the Independent Parking Committee's ("IPC") Accredited Operators Scheme, an organisation to which the Claimant was a signatory; and
    11.1.3. The signage contained particularly onerous terms not sufficiently drawn to the attention of existing residents, as set out in the leading judgment of Denning MR in J Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] EWCA Civ 3

    11.2. The Defendant avers that the residential site that is the subject of these proceedings is not a site where there is a commercial value to be protected. In fact, the existing rights of residents should have been protected.

    11.3 The charge is, accordingly, unconscionable in this context, with ParkingEye v Beavis distinguished.

    12. It is denied that the Claimant has standing to bring any claim in the absence of a contract that expressly permits the Claimant to do so, in addition to merely undertaking parking management. The Claimant has provided no proof of any such entitlement.

    13. It is denied that the Claimant has any entitlement to the sums sought.

    14. It is admitted that interest may be applicable, subject to the discretion of the Court on any sum (if awarded), but it is denied that interest is applicable on the total sums claimed by the Claimant.

    15. It is submitted that the conduct of the Claimant in pursuing this claim is wholly unreasonable and vexatious. As such, the Defendant is keeping careful note of all wasted time/costs in dealing with this matter and should the case continue to trial (or in the event of the Claimant filing a Notice of Discontinuance) the Defendant will seek further costs, pursuant to Civil Procedure Rule 27.14(2)(g).

    16. The Defendant respectfully suggests that parking companies using the small claims track as a form of aggressive, automated monetary demands against residents, alleging 'debts' for parking at their own homes is not something the Courts should be seen to support.

    17. The Court is invited to take Judicial Notice of the fact that the Claimant's solicitors, Gladstones, is engaged in a course of conduct which involves issuing tens of thousands of totally meritless Claims, which are routinely dismissed by District Judges sitting in this Court, and other County Court hearing centres in all parts of England & Wales. The Court is therefore invited to refer the matter to the Designated Civil Judge, for consideration of the issuing an Extended Civil Restraint Order against the Claimant, pursuant to CPR Practice Direction 3.1(3).

    18. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety, voiding any liability to the Claimant for all amounts due to the aforementioned reasons. The Defendant asks that the court gives consideration to exercise its discretion to order the case to be struck out under CPR Rule 3.4, for want of a detailed cause of action and/or for the claim having no realistic prospects of success.

    19. If the court is not minded to make such an order, then when Directions are given, the Defendant asks that there is an order for sequential service of witness evidence (rather than exchange) because it is expected that the Claimant will use its witness statement to provide the sort of detail which should have been disclosed much earlier, and the Defendant should have the opportunity to consider it, prior to serving evidence and witness statements in support of this defence.

    STATEMENT OF TRUTH
    I confirm that the contents of this Defence are true.
  • The_Deep
    The_Deep Posts: 16,830 Forumite
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    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • Enrique123
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    Hi,

    I received a letter from the court to fill in a questionnaire to be completed by the 24th August, however I have misplaced this. Can this be done online? Also what exactly does the questionnaire entail.

    Thanks
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 37,640 Forumite
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    It was a Directions Questionnaire that you received.

    You can download a copy here:
    www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-n180-directions-questionnaire-small-claims-track

    You need to re-read the first sentence of the first reply you received on this thread for full details of exactly how to answer every question on that form.

    For clarity, here is that sentence again:
    Post #2 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread give good guidance from receiving the Claim Form right through to any court appearance - and beyond.
    When completed send it back to the CCBC using the same email address you used for your Defence.
    Do not forget to send a copy to the Claimant.
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