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    • charlotte1994
    • By charlotte1994 19th Dec 18, 9:02 AM
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    Should Shops Be Shut Boxing Day?
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    Should Shops Be Shut Boxing Day? 19th Dec 18 at 9:02 AM
    My local Home Bargains shop is closed Boxing Day, they say so the staff can have a break and be with their families. I love this idea, I don't see why people need to go shopping (that isn't for food) on Boxing day, the staff need a break too!!

    I remember my mum telling me about a customer who came into her shop and asked if they were open Christmas Day, she said of course not and he replied "well what if I need more wine?"

    Do you think all shops should follow suit? Or do you think they should open for Boxing Day?
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    • spadoosh
    • By spadoosh 19th Dec 18, 10:14 AM
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    I believe it is possible to make coffee and lunch yourself.
    Originally posted by Gloomendoom
    Its also possible to buy it from shops that are open on boxing day.
    Don't be angry!
    • Marisco
    • By Marisco 19th Dec 18, 10:14 AM
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    Judging by the amount of stuff some people have in their trollies pre Xmas, thy won't need to shop for about 2 weeks!
    • charlotte1994
    • By charlotte1994 19th Dec 18, 10:18 AM
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    Wheres a nurse or paramedic going to get their coffee or dinner from?
    Originally posted by spadoosh
    Asked my mate (who is a paramedic), she takes her own dinner if she is working Christmas day. Personal responsibility.
    • charlotte1994
    • By charlotte1994 19th Dec 18, 10:20 AM
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    They don't.
    No
    Yes
    Originally posted by Marisco
    Exactly! People can live without a pub lunch
    • unforeseen
    • By unforeseen 19th Dec 18, 10:22 AM
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    If shops are closed for one day (Christmas Day) then you need to develop a siege mentality and get enough food, especially bread and milk, for 3 weeks.

    If you don't take this action then you would be in serious trouble if the shops failed to open again when they are supposed to.
    • spadoosh
    • By spadoosh 19th Dec 18, 10:24 AM
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    Asked my mate (who is a paramedic), she takes her own dinner if she is working Christmas day. Personal responsibility.
    Originally posted by charlotte1994
    Yeh she choose to be a paramedic and agreed a contract to work what was required which includes things like national holidays. Why do you think retail workers shouldnt have personal responsibility?
    Don't be angry!
    • spadoosh
    • By spadoosh 19th Dec 18, 10:25 AM
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    Exactly! People can live without a pub lunch
    Originally posted by charlotte1994
    People can live without seeing family on boxing day. Can you not see the hypocrisy of what youre saying?
    Don't be angry!
    • HornetSaver
    • By HornetSaver 19th Dec 18, 10:31 AM
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    Ever heard of free will?
    Originally posted by spadoosh

    This from someone arguing for employment contracts to be as one-way as possible.
    I'm standing by my pre-referendum prediction: "Brexit will lead to a recession"

    forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=70662330
    • Pennywise
    • By Pennywise 19th Dec 18, 10:31 AM
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    I'd like shops to close on Boxing Day to give their staff some family time. If you need something on Boxing day, you can either plan in advance and buy it on 24th, or wait another day and buy it on the 27th. Problem comes when some shops open and others don't: Customers will go buy from whoever's open. If all shops were closed, we'd all just wait.

    I think it's reasonable for small convenience stores and pharmacies to open, though.
    Originally posted by Alikay
    So you don't care about "family time" for the staff of those?
    • spadoosh
    • By spadoosh 19th Dec 18, 10:50 AM
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    This from someone arguing for employment contracts to be as one-way as possible.
    Originally posted by HornetSaver
    Are you talking to me or the rest of the forum?

    I dont know what youre referring to.
    Don't be angry!
    • humptydumptybits
    • By humptydumptybits 19th Dec 18, 10:53 AM
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    Exactly! People can live without a pub lunch
    Originally posted by charlotte1994


    So are you starting a thread about closing pubs on Boxing Day?


    These threads seem to happen every year and it is always shops as their staff need time off but to hell with everyone else who has to work.
    • 25 Years On
    • By 25 Years On 19th Dec 18, 10:53 AM
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    staff are willing to work
    Originally posted by spadoosh

    Perhaps staff are expected to work whether or not they are willing.
    • Alikay
    • By Alikay 19th Dec 18, 10:54 AM
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    We dont need to celebrate christmas but we do need to shut on boxing day because people want to celebrate Christmas? Is that what youre saying?
    Originally posted by spadoosh
    No. I'm saying that if there was a law where shops (with certain exceptions such as pharmacies) closed on Boxing Day, we'd all cope. Because there is choice, all retail managers will want to open so they don't miss out on any takings. I doubt that anyone buys anything extra, they just buy it on Boxing Day rather than 27th or 24th.

    Prior to Sunday opening, we never went hungry on Sundays, simply planned ahead. Now all supermarkets do open, we don't have to. Retail workers just have to suck it up, to the detriment of family life for many of them.
    • humptydumptybits
    • By humptydumptybits 19th Dec 18, 10:58 AM
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    Judging by the amount of stuff some people have in their trollies pre Xmas, thy won't need to shop for about 2 weeks!
    Originally posted by Marisco

    Depends how many you have coming to stay. Normally I am buying for two, me and husband. This Friday the invasion starts, at one point next week I will have 3 of my kids, their partners and 4 grandchildren here. We will be back to two of us on New Years Day. Visitors for a total of 11 days and an average of six people here at any one time. So yes I probably have got more than 2 weeks normal shopping in my trolley but it won't even last a week. I don't have enough storage/fridge/freezer space to not have to shop again next week although I won't necessarily shop on Boxing Day but then again I might.


    Don't even ask about beds and how I'm going to fit them all in.
    • Cetshwayo
    • By Cetshwayo 19th Dec 18, 11:00 AM
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    But you can manage without hospitality staff can't you? Why do people need to go out for a meal on Boxing Day, why do people need to go to the theatre, go for a drink? Do you watch TV on Boxing Day, do you actually need to watch it, can't you amuse yourself for a day without TV.
    Originally posted by humptydumptybits
    What's so special about Boxing day?
    • charlotte1994
    • By charlotte1994 19th Dec 18, 11:16 AM
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    People can live without seeing family on boxing day. Can you not see the hypocrisy of what youre saying?
    Originally posted by spadoosh
    ...but going to see my family puts no burden on other people? You seem very sour about this whole thing. Emergency services are needed, shopping is not a need, it is a want. I'm sure most people working in retail would love to have Boxing Day off
    • spadoosh
    • By spadoosh 19th Dec 18, 11:25 AM
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    Perhaps staff are expected to work whether or not they are willing.
    Originally posted by 25 Years On
    They willingly signed their contract which will outline when their expected to work. Its all in the small print.

    No. I'm saying that if there was a law where shops (with certain exceptions such as pharmacies) closed on Boxing Day, we'd all cope. Because there is choice, all retail managers will want to open so they don't miss out on any takings. I doubt that anyone buys anything extra, they just buy it on Boxing Day rather than 27th or 24th.

    Prior to Sunday opening, we never went hungry on Sundays, simply planned ahead. Now all supermarkets do open, we don't have to. Retail workers just have to suck it up, to the detriment of family life for many of them.
    Originally posted by Alikay
    Youre imposing what you think people want on them. My mate volunteered to work Christmas day and boxing day because hes getting paid triple time.

    I loved working boxing day because it was a quiet time where we could get things done that we rarely could at any other time of the year (i worked easter sunday every year in a shut shop, that was the best day of the year, boxing day was a close second).

    So again, people want to buy stuff, people want to sell stuff and people are willing to go to work. No one is forced to do these things yet it happens. And we should change it because you think people should spend time with their families?

    My wife works in retail, shes got 4 days off over christmas, prior to kid shed always work it and get new year off. I worked in retail but there where certain aspects of the job i didnt like so solved them by getting a different job which was more preferable for me.
    Don't be angry!
    • tberry6686
    • By tberry6686 19th Dec 18, 11:25 AM
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    It should be up to the retailer. I'm glad that a lot of the shops near me will be open on boxing day. I work away from home and am scheduled to arrive in my home city at 9pm on Xmas eve (been away 3 weeks). I'm lucky that I have family to join on xmas day but if not I'd have no milk bread etc till 27th.
    • spadoosh
    • By spadoosh 19th Dec 18, 11:38 AM
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    ...but going to see my family puts no burden on other people? You seem very sour about this whole thing. Emergency services are needed, shopping is not a need, it is a want. I'm sure most people working in retail would love to have Boxing Day off
    Originally posted by charlotte1994
    Of course it does, the people that cant go shopping because people working in retail want a day off. They have to change what they want to do to suit what you want to do?

    Id imagine most people would like to doa job that means doing no work and getting paid for it, the reality of such a thing though is difficult to come by.

    Im not sour, i get frustrated by people thinking they can and should impose their wishes on other people though. Youve decided retail workers should have a day off to see family, we know theyve agreed to work it but that doesnt matter, we know there are people that would use it, but that doesnt matter, what matters is you thinking they should have a day off.

    Lets play out your scenario. Boxing day and M&S is closed. People still want to shop, but they cant go to the high street. I suspect they might go to amazon. So amazon get the sale not M&S. The staff member is well chuffed they got a day off, so are you, but the customer and the business arent. I worked for B&Q for a long time, they have quite unsociable opening hours for a retailer. At one time they stayed open till 10, now its 9 but earlier in winter. The reason they stay open so late and open so early, even though at these times its just not profitable is because it lets customers know theyre always there. At that point its not directly about sales its about customer service (end result is driving sales) because if someone is in B&Q at 9pm they probably need to be.

    Ok so now were bannign online sales on boxing day. Because it unfair they can open and high street cant. A tradition a lot of my family like to do is go and watch the football on boxing day. Ban that too? Its not needed thats for sure. Require a larger amounto folice, ground staff, catering staff the players and management of course. Then theres the street vendors. Ban that too? thats part of the family christmas experience.

    I get the well natured idea of giving people time off to see their family and so on but the practicalities of allowing the whole country to do that just isnt feasible.
    Don't be angry!
    • charlotte1994
    • By charlotte1994 19th Dec 18, 11:47 AM
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    Of course it does, the people that cant go shopping because people working in retail want a day off. They have to change what they want to do to suit what you want to do?

    Id imagine most people would like to doa job that means doing no work and getting paid for it, the reality of such a thing though is difficult to come by.

    Im not sour, i get frustrated by people thinking they can and should impose their wishes on other people though. Youve decided retail workers should have a day off to see family, we know theyve agreed to work it but that doesnt matter, we know there are people that would use it, but that doesnt matter, what matters is you thinking they should have a day off.

    Lets play out your scenario. Boxing day and M&S is closed. People still want to shop, but they cant go to the high street. I suspect they might go to amazon. So amazon get the sale not M&S. The staff member is well chuffed they got a day off, so are you, but the customer and the business arent. I worked for B&Q for a long time, they have quite unsociable opening hours for a retailer. At one time they stayed open till 10, now its 9 but earlier in winter. The reason they stay open so late and open so early, even though at these times its just not profitable is because it lets customers know theyre always there. At that point its not directly about sales its about customer service (end result is driving sales) because if someone is in B&Q at 9pm they probably need to be.

    Ok so now were bannign online sales on boxing day. Because it unfair they can open and high street cant. A tradition a lot of my family like to do is go and watch the football on boxing day. Ban that too? Its not needed thats for sure. Require a larger amounto folice, ground staff, catering staff the players and management of course. Then theres the street vendors. Ban that too? thats part of the family christmas experience.

    I get the well natured idea of giving people time off to see their family and so on but the practicalities of allowing the whole country to do that just isnt feasible.
    Originally posted by spadoosh

    Please explain how me going to see family is a burden on others?

    I'm not forcing anything, just saying I think it would be a good idea. You're making that whole scenario up lol it's not going to happen. Who wouldn't want an extra day off? If they want to go shopping on Boxing day then I'm sure it's for something that they want that day, why would they shop online for something they would like that day and wait 2-3 days for it to arrive? Makes no sense to me.


    Stop being salty because I think it's a good idea that a shop is closed over the Christmas period, the world is not going to collapse because people can't buy tat for a day. Where did I say anything about football? This is about retail. It should be up to the individual store, but if it was me I wouldn't put anyone on a rota, I would ask for volunteers if needs be.
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