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    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 17th May 19, 5:38 PM
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    Why no update for my old Windows?
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    • 17th May 19, 5:38 PM
    Why no update for my old Windows? 17th May 19 at 5:38 PM
    I read due to a security threat microsoft had sent out an update for older operating systems. I have vista and thought i would turn on the pc and get the update. I found there wasnt any and the update function is still off since they abandoned it.
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    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 20th May 19, 12:52 PM
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    because i havent a clue and worry it will screw up. Also paying out for it when i hope to finally get a new system in the not too distant future.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    Paying out for what? It costs either nothing or a couple of s for a licence to run Windows 10. Just an excuse for your inertia methinks.

    If you actually stop messing around, you might find that you don't need a new system at all.

    Many here will be using devices just as old if not older than yours. They still have a lot of life in them.
    • custardy
    • By custardy 20th May 19, 1:14 PM
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    What did you find specifically bad about Vista? I used both it and Windows 7 and whilst Windows 7 was a bit slicker than Vista, I never found it that much better. I suspect that if Windows 7 had been branded "Vista SP 2" everyone would have hated it as well.
    Originally posted by Chino
    Realistically W7 was what Vista should have been.
    Its main issue from what I recall was it was simply too far ahead of what general PC specs were. so it was a sludge fest for average users.
    Aero was lovely but took far too much system resources on most folks day to day machines
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 20th May 19, 1:28 PM
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    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5482366

    I would rather get a new PC than mess about upgrading an operating system. My PC is almost 9 years old now anyway.
    from June 2016. My guess is that you are hoping that it will conk out, then you will be forced to buy another. Until then you will do nothing, struggling along with a poorly tuned PC.

    Your Core 2 Duo E4200 is badly in need of a solid state drive. From 17. https://www.mymemory.co.uk/integral-120gb-p-series-5-sata-iii-ssd-drive-560mb-s.html
    7 for 4 GB of RAM; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Memory-Ram-4-Desktop-PC-DDR2-667-PC2-5300U-240-DIMM-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-2x-GB-Lot/322702734848

    Clean install windows 10 (perhaps 3).

    It will be like a brand new device. Certainly faster than it ever was before, for 27.
    • molerat
    • By molerat 20th May 19, 3:21 PM
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    I have a couple of E2400 machines running pretty good on a clean install of W10 and 4GB memory still with the HDD. No good for gaming but fine for everyday surfing. Luckily had some W7 licences on machines that were running oem W7 serials
    Last edited by molerat; 20-05-2019 at 3:24 PM.
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    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 20th May 19, 5:07 PM
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    So you'll just keep on procrastinating and then coming back here when you have another problem with Vista...which no one else is using?

    Swap the current HDD for an SSD, clean install Windows 10 to it. No possibility for you to mess anything up with your old data, as you won't be touching it.

    Performance will increase, possibly substantially. Cost as little as 17.
    Originally posted by EveryWhere
    No, i made the thread for the reason stated. I am not having a problem at all.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 20th May 19, 6:22 PM
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    No, i made the thread for the reason stated. I am not having a problem at all.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    That's what you think. https://www.cvedetails.com/product/9591/Microsoft-Windows-Vista.html?vendor_id=26
    • poppellerant
    • By poppellerant 20th May 19, 9:47 PM
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    I can see why SSD drives and RAM upgrades have been recommended to you, because they can give you a great deal of relief from slow hard drives, especially on ageing systems. However you didn't ask about hardware upgrades and given that this is a money saving forum, it seems ludicrous to throw good money after bad. Do bear in mind however, you might be able to transfer a SATA SSD drive to another PC, so all is not lost.

    I would also exercise caution about buying cheap Windows 10 licenses. I will provide you this link for reading, but basically if something seems to good to be true, it often is. I expect other posters will pipe up saying how their threepence licenses has been running for ages - but I am just making you are aware of the issue. You might be able to buy one just long enough to tide you over until you upgrade.
    Last edited by poppellerant; 20-05-2019 at 9:50 PM.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 20th May 19, 10:24 PM
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    I can see why SSD drives and RAM upgrades have been recommended to you, because they can give you a great deal of relief from slow hard drives, especially on ageing systems. However you didn't ask about hardware upgrades and given that this is a money saving forum, it seems ludicrous to throw good money after bad. Do bear in mind however, you might be able to transfer a SATA SSD drive to another PC, so all is not lost.

    I would also exercise caution about buying cheap Windows 10 licenses. I will provide you this link for reading, but basically if something seems to good to be true, it often is. I expect other posters will pipe up saying how their threepence licenses has been running for ages - but I am just making you are aware of the issue. You might be able to buy one just long enough to tide you over until you upgrade.
    Originally posted by poppellerant
    I simply have no faith or confidence in doing it. I realise this most probably is wrong. I have had issues upgrading various bits of tech in the past. The system is 12 years old. As soon as I have the funds it will be replaced. Also my printer does not work anymore so i will get a package that includes a printer if possible.
    • custardy
    • By custardy 21st May 19, 3:34 AM
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    I simply have no faith or confidence in doing it. I realise this most probably is wrong. I have had issues upgrading various bits of tech in the past. The system is 12 years old. As soon as I have the funds it will be replaced. Also my printer does not work anymore so i will get a package that includes a printer if possible.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    How many 'packages' of a PC and printer have you seen in recent years?
    • Niv
    • By Niv 21st May 19, 7:55 AM
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    I simply have no faith or confidence in doing it. I realise this most probably is wrong. I have had issues upgrading various bits of tech in the past. The system is 12 years old. As soon as I have the funds it will be replaced. Also my printer does not work anymore so i will get a package that includes a printer if possible.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie


    You may as well give it a go if you are prepared to buy a new machine, what's the worst that can happen? You break a 12 year old pc you wanted to replace anyway?


    You can download a copy of win 10 off the Microsoft website (an iso) and do a clean install. No need to activate windows 10 so it will be free. While not activated some personalisation cant be done and there is a little message on the bottom right of the screen but that's about it. I have not found it limiting at all to date.
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    • colejames
    • By colejames 21st May 19, 9:05 AM
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    Whenever you are having obstacles with Windows Update, the simplest approach you can attempt is to run the built-in troubleshooter. Running Windows Update troubleshooter restarts the Windows Update service and removes the Windows Update cache. ... In the System and Security section, click Fix problems with Windows Update.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 21st May 19, 5:01 PM
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    I simply have no faith or confidence in doing it. I realise this most probably is wrong. I have had issues upgrading various bits of tech in the past. The system is 12 years old. As soon as I have the funds it will be replaced. Also my printer does not work anymore so i will get a package that includes a printer if possible.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    The age matters not and you'll have someone holding your hand all the way if you have a Smartphone in which to keep in contact.

    27 is not much and you can have a much faster system that may last for a good few years.

    I'm still using a twelve year old laptop that I upgraded with a cheap SSD.

    Do you imagine that you are the only one here who didn't have any confidence at first?

    With a little help, there are many here who can do a lot more than they first imagined.

    Before you start, you put together a plan. Take a look at everything first, see where it has to go and create the installation media, all with some help.
    Then once all is confirmed, make the order, fit the parts(in a few minutes) and install the OS.

    It's easy once you know how and you'll be kicking yourself for not doing it earlier once you see how speedy the old system.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 21st May 19, 5:17 PM
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    I can see why SSD drives and RAM upgrades have been recommended to you, because they can give you a great deal of relief from slow hard drives, especially on ageing systems. However you didn't ask about hardware upgrades and given that this is a money saving forum, it seems ludicrous to throw good money after bad. Do bear in mind however, you might be able to transfer a SATA SSD drive to another PC, so all is not lost.

    I would also exercise caution about buying cheap Windows 10 licenses. I will provide you this link for reading, but basically if something seems to good to be true, it often is. I expect other posters will pipe up saying how their threepence licenses has been running for ages - but I am just making you are aware of the issue. You might be able to buy one just long enough to tide you over until you upgrade.
    Originally posted by poppellerant
    Your post seems exceedingly negative.

    How would spending up to 27 on bringing an old PC up to spec be "throwing good money after bad"?
    Why would you describe something eminently sensible as "ludicrous"??

    I rescued a twelve year old laptop with a single core CPU and old HDD(that was almost unusable, buy spending 26 on a dual core CPU and SSD.
    Now I have a laptop that runs Windows 10 Pro that I can leave at a holiday apartment so I don't need to travel with a laptop.

    The OP's PC has a much better basic spec, so with the proposed inexpensive upgrades it will fly in relative terms.

    As to your scaremongering about Windows 10 licences.....
    Just about everyone knows that Windows 10 will work fine even without a licence.

    Even in the worst case scenario of accidentally buying a dodgy licence and it being deactivated after a year or two, one can simply buy another for a couple of Pounds.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 21st May 19, 5:26 PM
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    You may as well give it a go if you are prepared to buy a new machine, what's the worst that can happen? You break a 12 year old pc you wanted to replace anyway?


    You can download a copy of win 10 off the Microsoft website (an iso) and do a clean install. No need to activate windows 10 so it will be free. While not activated some personalisation cant be done and there is a little message on the bottom right of the screen but that's about it. I have not found it limiting at all to date.
    Originally posted by Niv
    And be left with no computer until i have the money for a new one.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 21st May 19, 5:29 PM
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    How many 'packages' of a PC and printer have you seen in recent years?
    Originally posted by custardy
    Havent looked much but I have seen deals that include a printer. If i dont find one i am happy with then i will just have to get the printer separately.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 21st May 19, 5:52 PM
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    And be left with no computer until i have the money for a new one.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    Wow...you are really pessimistic.

    You can be reassured that the path I am recommending is completely reversible.

    So if for some unfathomable reason you are unable to proceed further than fitting the SSD, you can simply reconnect the old HDD and everything will be as it was.

    This is why I recommend fitting of an SSD, as it leaves your existing drive untouched and ready to be reattached at any time should you be unhappy.

    Once you are happy with the upgraded system, you can move your old data over, in exactly the same way you would do if you bought a new system.

    But this way you won't have to buy a new system, as the upgraded system sounds like it will be adequate for your needs for years to come.
    • Niv
    • By Niv 22nd May 19, 7:42 AM
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    And be left with no computer until i have the money for a new one.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie


    Well the compromise is as Everywhere says, pop in a cheap SSD, then install windows 10 for no additional cost. If it goes wrong you just pop your old hard drive in. Heck, if you live near me I will give you a harddrive as i have a few doing nothing but haven't thrown them out because there is nothing wrong with them (not SSD but would be free).
    YNWA

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    • giraffe69
    • By giraffe69 22nd May 19, 9:06 AM
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    It wouldn't be as cheap but you could buy the parts and pay for someone to fit them if you don't want to do it for yourself. If you don't do this or deal with it yourself or buy a new machine it is not easy to see what advice you can be given that will help.
    If, of course, this was just a whinge about Vista and lack of updates then job done.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 22nd May 19, 5:12 PM
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    If, of course, this was just a whinge about Vista and lack of updates then job done.
    Originally posted by giraffe69
    Posts 1 and 17 are quite clear arent they?
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 22nd May 19, 11:31 PM
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    Meanwhile....this video is for the OP, to demonstrate the difference on a similarly old device(2008);



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G1JLdVod14

    It will give them an idea of the huge difference in performance, such a simple upgrade can bring.

    ..and since a particular poster is concerned about the OP spending 7 that he might not be able to recoup in a year or two, there is the option of 4 x 1 GB of RAM for 3.99.
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Memory-Ram-4-Desktop-PC-DDR2-667-PC2-5300U-240-DIMM-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-2x-GB-Lot/322702734848

    So, now just perhaps 24 for the full upgrade.
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