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    • cuddlymarm
    • By cuddlymarm 12th Jun 18, 12:39 PM
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    Prepping for Brexit thread
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    • 12th Jun 18, 12:39 PM
    Prepping for Brexit thread 12th Jun 18 at 12:39 PM
    Hi guys
    Iím pretty well resolved to the fact that Brexit is going to affect us all. I donít want this thread to be a good or bad, right or wrong type thing.
    Just a positive, what can we prepare to make life easier, less expensive, less disruptive when it does happen.

    My aims are to stock up on items I think are going to get more expensive. Also to try and save up an emergency fund ( that will be slow going as OH took early retirement due to illness) and Iím unemployed at the moment.

    So my aims are to work out what items need to be stocked up
    To look for a job
    To live as frugally as possible while eating healthily
    To make sure the savings we have already donít get touched

    So guys please feel free to join in and list anything you think may be affected. Or just to comment. That way we can help each other.

    Hope to hear from you all soon
    Cuddles
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    • AndyCF
    • By AndyCF 17th Sep 19, 3:42 PM
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    What size tins?
    Originally posted by gfplux
    T's have some 400g ones for 28p from a brand I've not heard of, seems to range from that up to about 60p for the same tin size depending on chopped/brand etc.
    • unrecordings
    • By unrecordings 17th Sep 19, 4:40 PM
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    I just did a little google experiment - 400g tinned tomatoes £0.01 to £0.50

    also Morrisons M Savers (chopped) 28p
    then a load of options at 30p / 35p etc upwards
    Why am I in this handcart and where are we going ?
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 17th Sep 19, 6:21 PM
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    If you like your prepping illustrated, have a look at the Tokyo Disaster Preparedness in English still with illustrations here
    The Tokyo Metropolitan Government has compiled a manual called “Disaster Preparedness Tokyo” (Tokyo Bousai*) to help households get fully prepared for an earthquake directly hitting Tokyo and other various disasters.
    “Disaster Preparedness Tokyo” is tailored to the various local features of Tokyo, its urban structure, and the lifestyles of its residents, and contains easy-to-understand information on how to prepare for and respond to a disaster.This information will be useful now and in the event of an emergency. *“Bousai” is Japanese for “disaster preparedness”
    It's not difficult and, while it is culturally on a different wavelength, I hadn't appreciated how many risks there are in Tokyo from the the familiar disease to hurricanes, volcanoes & earthquakes.

    Nor had I realised just how much thought has been put in as a result of assorted nasty surprises - planned “disaster prevention parks.” with gas cooking easily configured & straight to sewage plumbing, strike me as admirable beyond words.

    If nothing else, have a look through the pictures for how to make a knapsack from a pair of trousers.
    • AndyCF
    • By AndyCF 17th Sep 19, 7:09 PM
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    I just did a little google experiment - 400g tinned tomatoes £0.01 to £0.50

    also Morrisons M Savers (chopped) 28p
    then a load of options at 30p / 35p etc upwards
    Originally posted by unrecordings
    Not intended as ad/plug but I've generally found (apart from some peas but it might of been a one-off) Mor's tinned veggie bits to be quite decent quality wise, compared to erm 'elsewhere' at least. Sadly there's not one within a sane distance of me at the moment.
    • DryTheRain
    • By DryTheRain 17th Sep 19, 8:32 PM
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    Always a good idea to have alternative arrangements for power cuts especially now we seem to have such a high proportion of our generation coming from renewables. When you get very cold weather it's quite often very still as well so not much wind generation. However I'm not aware that Brexit per se would increase the risk of power cuts. But I suppose any additional disruption from Brexit at the time of a power cut would generally add to the misery
    Originally posted by maryb
    Last time I looked it appeared we're self sufficient in electricity production, although there's been talk of issues with EU interconnectors, plus seasonal fluctuation with renewables as you say. The other thing is the recent Yellowhammer summary which predicts "significant" ND electricity price rises but doesn't explain why. No mention of gas either, which you'd expect to £rise more as we import quite a lot. H'm.

    Anyways it can't hurt to try and cut energy consumption where possible. Bout time I replaced those old school bulbs! The forums here mention gas boilers as another electricity culprit, esp when actively running, so I've been looking at improving radiator efficiency so I can turn the thermostat down a bit. Found a 2nd hand booster fan on ebay which seems pretty good, handy for drying things quickly mmm toasty socks, nice Also wondering about radiator foil - has anyone tried it and does it make a difference?

    Worth checking if your phone or tablet has an energy saving setting too. For apple it's low power mode, and can be found in settings>battery (or ask siri). For normal use, it just clicks to standby more quickly, but the main advantage is how fast it charges even from very low battery, and then how long it lasts once it's done, quite an eye opener!
    • unrecordings
    • By unrecordings 17th Sep 19, 8:45 PM
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    Not intended as ad/plug but I've generally found (apart from some peas but it might of been a one-off) Mor's tinned veggie bits to be quite decent quality wise, compared to erm 'elsewhere' at least. Sadly there's not one within a sane distance of me at the moment.
    Originally posted by AndyCF
    Yup - Morrison seems to be the cheapest own brand, Tesco's cheapest own brand was 35p if memory serves, compared to the bought in/third party stuff for 28p
    Why am I in this handcart and where are we going ?
    • Murphybear
    • By Murphybear 18th Sep 19, 4:19 AM
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    Out of date yeast can certainly ruin your home made bread! We use an automatic bread maker and the loaf turned out as solid as a brick with old yeast but for all other items I,d use the visual and sniff test.

    We,ve had back of the freezer items that have still been ok three years after storing but their quality does deteriorate with freezer burn and if you want to enjoy you're food its obviously best to eat it whilst still in prime condition.

    We try to keep a freezer inventory now and menu plan to use up stuff in rotation but that doesn't always cover of the cupboard items which only get used occasionally or remain hidden out of sight. Running a full store cupboard is handy especially in illness or bad weather but you do have to be disciplined about storing the newest stuff at the backand with most of us time challenged, that'snot always a discipline which is practiced.

    So,sniff and taste I say, and don't frightened to throw away if you're uncertain.
    Originally posted by Primrose
    2 years ago we got rid of our ancient chest freezer and bought a big upright one, more efficient and easier to use. I couldnít believe some of the things we found lurking at the bottom. Lots of bits of ďmystery meatĒ that OH didnít mark or date and a home made curry at least 5 years old. We defrosted it and it didnít seem off so we reheated it thoroughly, slathered it with home made mango chutney and it was delicious . Even the cat liked it (apart from the home made chutney) and all 3 of us lived to tell the tale.

    Actually the mystery meat might have been goat, a local butcher got some in for a regular customer who changed his mind and OH bought it all for virtually half price. Looks like goat curryís on the menu
    • AndyCF
    • By AndyCF 18th Sep 19, 6:25 AM
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    2 years ago we got rid of our ancient chest freezer and bought a big upright one, more efficient and easier to use.
    Originally posted by Murphybear
    One of my relatives, she needed a new replacement fridge/freezer and elected to buy two of the normal 'under counter' units, obviously 1x fridge and 1x freezer. , but she then had them stacked (with appropriate bracket/support made from what I gather - not seen it for ages now) as she wanted the freezer at the top and the combi ones she looked at had it at the bottom.

    The main reason for this though she said was if the combi fridge/freezer goes, you lose the lot, this way I only have to ever replace one. I can see the logic in that, plus it means the temp control is a bit better too as you're not at the erm 'mercy' of the temp of either one unit or the other.

    Even the cat liked it (apart from the home made chutney) and all 3 of us lived to tell the tale.
    Originally posted by Murphybear
    Usually OK as you know! I have read in a few reviews if the animals are not interested assuming its not scented or contains something they would not eat, then be very wary. I do recall a certain tin of hot dogs a review for it and it said they were disgusting or similar and "their dogs would not touch them either" , a good warning sign!

    Actually the mystery meat might have been goat, a local butcher got some in for a regular customer who changed his mind and OH bought it all for virtually half price. Looks like goat curry’s on the menu
    Originally posted by Murphybear
    Our local butcher now closed had been there in the same place since the early 70's , he was brilliant. Occasionally would have 'not regular' meats in or if you asked he would get for you. So if you wanted a bit of goat perhaps rabbit ( ! ) or something he could get it. I remember one year I wanted some turkey sausages and he made some.

    Used to 'shop bake' lovely but slightly expensive sausage rolls and 'meat pasty' too. You could really tell the difference as they were made with decent, real sausage meat, a huge contrast to cheaper supermarket offerings.

    Lovely little shop and super chap too, shame he eventually retired but he was in his mid 70's at that point I think. I can recall many an occasion where I'd go in and buy two or three sausage rolls and then say something like "I've got "£2 change left can I get a few slices of cooked ham/chicken" , he was always really kind about that and would slice it off and weigh it, and you'd usually end up with it being like 20-50pence 'over' but he'd say "oh its near enough, you're a regular customer" Service/quality was always 100% , I've yet to find another even close to this. Shame one of his long term staff did not take it over, one had been there since as long as I could remember so 20+ years, the other about 5 years.
    • euronorris
    • By euronorris 18th Sep 19, 8:15 AM
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    What size tins?
    Originally posted by gfplux


    Standard 400g tins. Most supermarkets stock a basic brand at 28p a tin. I think I have some morrisons basic range in at the moment, bought at that price: https://groceries.morrisons.com/webshop/product/M-savers-Chopped-Tomatoes-in-Tomato-Juice/207703011?from=search&param=tinned%20tomatoes


    Though, luckily for me, my home grown tomato bounty is finally coming in, so will be using some homegrown ones soon
    • euronorris
    • By euronorris 18th Sep 19, 8:22 AM
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    Yup - Morrison seems to be the cheapest own brand, Tesco's cheapest own brand was 35p if memory serves, compared to the bought in/third party stuff for 28p
    Originally posted by unrecordings


    'Growers Harvest' is available at Tesco's for 28p a tin. IF they have it in stock. Lidl and Aldi certainly do tinned tomatoes at 28p. Sainsbo's slightly more expensive at 30p a tin. Asda Smart Price at 28p a tin.


    The Morrisons ones are certainly OK. Used a couple tins on Monday night for a batch of spag bol. Was yummy!
    • AndyCF
    • By AndyCF 18th Sep 19, 10:27 AM
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    Yup - Morrison seems to be the cheapest own brand, Tesco's cheapest own brand was 35p if memory serves, compared to the bought in/third party stuff for 28p
    Originally posted by unrecordings
    'Growers Harvest' is available at Tesco's for 28p a tin. IF they have it in stock. Lidl and Aldi certainly do tinned tomatoes at 28p. Sainsbo's slightly more expensive at 30p a tin. Asda Smart Price at 28p a tin.


    The Morrisons ones are certainly OK. Used a couple tins on Monday night for a batch of spag bol. Was yummy!
    Originally posted by euronorris
    To both @unrecordings and @euronorris:

    I did see the 'Harvest' ones but I think I called them an 'unknown brand' as I'd not seen them before. Generally in my own experience Morr's tin veg is reasonable quality (price is sensible too) compared to a couple of other supermarkets at least.

    My only -real- complaint it is almost impossible for me to get there, it would be two expensive buses (plus a walk) or even more for a taxi. I considered walking then taking a taxi back but I did not really fancy an hour+half walk then shopping! Maybe I will at some point but likely next year not this. I used to have online shop shop from them about once every 6 weeks or so (I did bag a free delivery thing at one point, the "not peak times/days" one!) but as its 40 min its a bit too much really these days sadly. Next online (if there is one) will have to be As's simply as its 25. Realise there's a couple of £ to put on for delivery but even at 30 its less that 40+

    @PN (or others if interested too obviously!) if you see this, their 'own brand' saus rolls (chilled ones) and their chilled 'put in oven or something) small pies (steak one or chicken/veg one) are both sensible cost and really nice usually. Saus rolls I'd rate quite highly especially. The 'mini' ones seem slightly better for some reason! But that might be me.

    Regarding the tinned Tomato's: I think you might find out that those 'growers' tins are made by a well known manufacturer in the end along with various own branded supermarket items. I looked at some cheap sardines in oil the other week by an unknown brand (I can't even remember what it was called now!) but they were almost half the price of the well known 'P' brand. The tin was a fraction smaller and plain rather than painted too. I did a little research and it seemed they both appeared to come out of the same factory...

    You could say similar for Walk's vs Smithy crisps I suppose. They do taste differently but I'm convinced this is either due to slightly different cooking oil or perhaps more likely different temps / times being cooked, rather than a different grade of potato being used. Same addy too , check the packs

    On topic I suppose if you see an unknown brand and are not sure if to risk it or not, leave it and make a note of the manufacturer's name and address (usually there's a complaint/feedback one) , no need for a good memory the "pack name" and the "city" is usually enough. Then go check online later Its quite likely you may find its actually a 'well known brand' just packed differently.
    Last edited by AndyCF; 18-09-2019 at 10:30 AM.
    • euronorris
    • By euronorris 18th Sep 19, 10:41 AM
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    I have tried Grower's Harvest before and it was just fine. The only ones I haven't been impressed by was Lidl's. Quite bland, and more of an orange colour, instead of red. But as most of the other supermarkets offer a basic version for the same (or close to) price, I'm quite happy to get them elsewhere.


    I am very fortunate in my location. Shops wise, I have Lidl (X 2), Aldi, M&S, Waitrose, Sainsbo's, Asda, Morrisons, Tescos and Farmfoods all within a 3 mile radius. I also have a car. Whilst there are buses, and it's isn't a large distance, there are none direct to any of these shops! *rolls eyes* But, in walking distance (about 20-25 minutes) is Lidl, Sainsbo's and Morrisons. The Lidl is actually right next to my office, so is very convenient.


    We are quite happy to buy a cheaper version of something and give it a try in our house. And fortunate enough to be able to afford the outlay if it turns out we don't like it. From this, we know that we don't like most of Lidl's versions of popular crisps, though their 'potato hoops' are passable lol.


    I still have one of those shopping trolleys at home, from last year. I had Labrynthitis, and after the initial worst part was over and it was mostly controlled by medication, I was walking to and from work (was still too dizzy to drive). So I would use the trolley to lug home the heavier shopping during the week lol. So thankfully have an option if the car dies on us.
    Last edited by euronorris; 18-09-2019 at 10:42 AM. Reason: ETA: Oh, and an Iceland.
    • D&DD
    • By D&DD 18th Sep 19, 10:56 AM
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    Thanks so much for posting the wartime link I thoroughly enjoyed reading that and wow what a plot that one with the shelter!!


    Just a heads up for those with problems accessing stores sometimes. I have Amazon Prime and around here at least the Prime Now delivers within two hours from our local Morrisons or Amazon depending on what you order..
    I've scored some absolute bargains on all sorts of things on there,delivered to the door so no petrol cost (free delivery on £40+ orders) They have all the deals currently on in store so is handy of you can't get there for whatever reason.


    Parents going for their 65+ 'special jabs' on Thursday at the GP's surgery. I've yet to have mine and apparently my pneumonia one is still valid says on my notes?? (I think they said ten years)
    OH got his free last year being a postie and my boys all qualify for it due to various health issues so I need to do a block booking when our surgery gets them.Our chemist will drag me in if she sees me first lol.
    • Mee
    • By Mee 18th Sep 19, 11:43 AM
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    To be fair

    What a shame that so few people today grow any of their own food. No wonder children have no idea how the basic food in their table is grown and sourced and end up believing that milk originates from Sainsbury's and not from cows !
    Originally posted by Primrose
    To be fair, some can't grow anything or have limited options due to:
    • No access to allotments - lists are long and it can take years in some places to get/share one.
    • Apartments with no balcony so limited to pots if you have room for them
    • Increasing number of families with children with no permanent home, sharing one room and/or are officially homeless.
    • Not sure how many schools now have space for HE or similar in their curriculum

    I only have a Juliet balcony so I'm limited to pots 17 cm d., I've been on an allotment list for years. However, I've started volunteering at an allotment out of my area and I'm learning more and receive some free produce in return.
    Last edited by Mee; 18-09-2019 at 11:45 AM.
    Free thinker.
    • maryb
    • By maryb 18th Sep 19, 11:55 AM
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    Lidl tomatoes vary, it's worth trying them again. The last lot I had were in a very thick puree, just like Cirio, other times, they are less rich. I've usually found them OK. But if I find a good batch I buy a tray at a time

    When I had the pneumonia jab for the first time on Saturday they told me it's good for five years.
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • Farway
    • By Farway 18th Sep 19, 2:28 PM
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    From this, we know that we don't like most of Lidl's versions of popular crisps, though their 'potato hoops' are passable lol.
    Originally posted by euronorris
    Oddly enough I quite like them, and the grandchildren love them more on the Brand name than taste I suspect "Crusti Croc"

    I still have one of those shopping trolleys at home, from last year. I had Labrynthitis, and after the initial worst part was over and it was mostly controlled by medication, I was walking to and from work (was still too dizzy to drive). So I would use the trolley to lug home the heavier shopping during the week lol. So thankfully have an option if the car dies on us.
    Originally posted by euronorris
    The pull along shopping trolleys are very handy items for those without cars. Especially as coming across unexpected YS items means they can be taken home instead of left on the shelf
    • AndyCF
    • By AndyCF 18th Sep 19, 5:33 PM
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    Regarding growing space, a 'Window Box' could be an option in some cases. I realise that if you live on the 2nd floor in a block-o-flats this is not practical though!

    I still have my mind set at some future point on obtaining old (ideally pre WW2) variety of potato and growing those. There was a program on TV about a year ago where they did a modern vs pre-war (or war time) xmas dinner and aside from the cost factor most of the dinner clients preferred the taste of the 'real article' , although the children if I remember correctly were alarmed at the different carrot shades!

    They did use some 'appropriate' variety of spud as well. There was a good site with a list of what you can get now including those that are no longer popular etc, I can't find it at the moment but not relevant as its not going to happen for a bit.
    • unrecordings
    • By unrecordings 18th Sep 19, 5:41 PM
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    This is quite interesting - mainly for recipes than varieties though:
    https://www.lovepotatoes.co.uk
    Why am I in this handcart and where are we going ?
    • unrecordings
    • By unrecordings 18th Sep 19, 5:47 PM
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    My favourite variety, Red Duke of York might be appropriate (though how they might have been smuggled out of The Netherlands in 1942 is anyone's guess - maybe a brexit lesson in there somewhere)
    Why am I in this handcart and where are we going ?
    • AndyCF
    • By AndyCF 18th Sep 19, 5:48 PM
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    The pull along shopping trolleys are very handy items for those without cars. Especially as coming across unexpected YS items means they can be taken home instead of left on the shelf
    Originally posted by Farway
    Donkey's years back (as in mid 80's) I recall grandmother had one of these for shopping. I do see them occasionally now, a more 'up to date' version of the same. From what I can remember 'back then' she used hers until it completely fell to bits, it must of been a 60's item originally I think. Certainly it was 'always around'

    I did consider getting one when things permit although if it was in any way practical I'd prefer one that could be folded up and perhaps "backpacked" when empty to save dragging an empty 'thing' about. Then there's a possibility of putting some 'cool bag' inside it perhaps so frozen goodies can safely survive a good hours journey ? Hmm.
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