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    • MSE Jenny
    • By MSE Jenny 27th Feb 12, 12:42 PM
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    Avios Points Boosting guide discussion
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    • 27th Feb 12, 12:42 PM
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    Avios Points Boosting guide discussion 27th Feb 12 at 12:42 PM



    Hi all, we've written a new Avios Points Boosting guide to help you earn flights (plus taxes) worldwide and max points' value when redeeming.

    How did you find the info? Do you have any other ways to boost your points? What are your top ways to spend Avios points?

    Thanks
    for your help!


    MSE Jenny

    Last edited by MSE Jenny; 27-02-2012 at 12:48 PM.
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    • Roger1
    • By Roger1 1st Mar 12, 10:03 AM
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    Confusing or what?!
    Originally posted by cassis
    Very, very confusing. What work experience trainee devised schemes using the name Avios both as a currency (for BA and IB frequent flyer programmes as well as avios.com) and the name for the expired Airmiles scheme?
    But does anyone know if the "Shell 6000 bonus Avios" tip applies to the BA Exec. Club Avios scheme, or just to the standard Avios scheme?
    Originally posted by cassis
    The Tesco and Shell bonus offers apply to qualifying members of BOTH BAEC and avios.com. 'Qualifying' means existing members who have had at least 1 Avios/Airmiles credit in the past year and have not credited with the new partners in that time - but do check T+Cs as my summary may not be sufficient.

    The 6,000/12,000 is actually 8,000/16,000 since the offer began in November, but the first quarter finished yesterday, hence the remaining 6,000/12,000 now on offer.
    The 2,000 bonus points are only available via the main Avios scheme.
    Originally posted by MSE Jenny
    Leaving aside 'the main Avios scheme' for the moment, perhaps ask the press office to confirm that they are available to all qualifying Avios collectors, be they BAEC or avios.com?
    Could this be the world's most complicated offer?!
    Originally posted by MSE Jenny
    Yes!

    One point seems to have been overlooked. These 2,000 Avios per quarter bonuses are two different versions of the New Partners offer to avios.com and BAEC collectors. Collect qualifying Avios from 'new' partners and receive 2,000 bonus Avios per quarter, roughly Dec-Feb, Mar-May, June-Aug and Sep-Nov (Shell is different). Avios.com has FOUR potential partners: Tesco, Shell, British Airways and Lloyds TSB Duo Avios credit cards; BAEC just Tesco and Shell.

    FWIW, I'm looking for three bonuses for the Nov-Feb quarter from avios.com (Shell is far too complicated for me) and one from BAEC. In view of all the confusion, I will not be surprised if I have to chase some of them. (For example, it took over two months and an amount of persuasion for a BA flight to be credited to my avios.com account).

    A request: may we please stop talking about 'the main Avios scheme'. At least some of us collect Avios with both avios.com and BAEC and in any event they are transferable between accounts. If necessary, how about BAEC Avios and avios.com Avios? (Stupid, I know, but that comes from the BA marketing genius who thought up the whole Avios nonsense branding.)

    BAEC bonus Avios T+Cs are at http://www.britishairways.com/travel/shopping-offer-tc-ec/public/en_gb
    Avios.com bonus Avios T+Cs are at http://www.avios.com/collect/get-more
  • cassis
    Well spotted!

    I've just logged into my BAEC account and see they're also offering the 2000 avios points per quarter as a new way of collecting.

    So might...

    1) link my Shell Drivers club a/c to the BAEC Avios scheme (where i've earned previously flight and Tesco Clubcard Avios points)

    2) Wait a few weeks till my e-shopping points appear and give me a non-zero balance on my new regular/mainAvios/Avios.com account and redeem another Tesco Clubcard voucher for Avios.

    Seriously confusing and completely bonkers! (especially having the same name, with interchangeable 'currency' for quite seperate schemes!

    Very, very confusing. What work experience trainee devised schemes using the name Avios both as a currency (for BA and IB frequent flyer programmes as well as avios.com) and the name for the expired Airmiles scheme? The Tesco and Shell bonus offers apply to qualifying members of BOTH BAEC and avios.com. 'Qualifying' means existing members who have had at least 1 Avios/Airmiles credit in the past year and have not credited with the new partners in that time - but do check T+Cs as my summary may not be sufficient.

    The 6,000/12,000 is actually 8,000/16,000 since the offer began in November, but the first quarter finished yesterday, hence the remaining 6,000/12,000 now on offer.Leaving aside 'the main Avios scheme' for the moment, perhaps ask the press office to confirm that they are available to all qualifying Avios collectors, be they BAEC or avios.com?Yes!

    One point seems to have been overlooked. These 2,000 Avios per quarter bonuses are two different versions of the New Partners offer to avios.com and BAEC collectors. Collect qualifying Avios from 'new' partners and receive 2,000 bonus Avios per quarter, roughly Dec-Feb, Mar-May, June-Aug and Sep-Nov (Shell is different). Avios.com has FOUR potential partners: Tesco, Shell, British Airways and Lloyds TSB Duo Avios credit cards; BAEC just Tesco and Shell.

    FWIW, I'm looking for three bonuses for the Nov-Feb quarter from avios.com (Shell is far too complicated for me) and one from BAEC. In view of all the confusion, I will not be surprised if I have to chase some of them. (For example, it took over two months and an amount of persuasion for a BA flight to be credited to my avios.com account).

    A request: may we please stop talking about 'the main Avios scheme'. At least some of us collect Avios with both avios.com and BAEC and in any event they are transferable between accounts. If necessary, how about BAEC Avios and avios.com Avios? (Stupid, I know, but that comes from the BA marketing genius who thought up the whole Avios nonsense branding.)

    BAEC bonus Avios T+Cs are at http://www.britishairways.com/travel/shopping-offer-tc-ec/public/en_gb
    Avios.com bonus Avios T+Cs are at http://www.avios.com/collect/get-more
    Originally posted by Roger1
    • egpx
    • By egpx 1st Mar 12, 9:43 PM
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    Having thought I'd just about got the hang of this Avios/BAEC club malarkey all this 'new way of collecting' business has thrown me a curveball that is almost impossible to hit.

    I'm a long time Airmiles collector from Tesco, so long in fact I'm still collecting at the 80 miles rate that they introduced at the beginning of the scheme for those that spent an average of 60 per week at the retail giant. This was soon stopped but some clause meant that those already receiving this rate of exchange would continue to do so for as long as they remained in the clubcard scheme. I bet some middle management type at Tesco got his knuckles rapped for that one...

    The upshot is that I'm now collecting Avios at a rate of 800 per 2.50 rather than 600 and am loathed to do anything that would change this state of affairs. This includes changing the destination of those Tesco Avios to the BAEC, of which I'm now a member, to get the 6000 bonus Avios over the next three quarters. Of course the 80 mile/800 Avios rate might be transferable from the Avios scheme to the BAEC scheme but I don't want to take the risk.

    Changing the subject, I reckon that using Avios for upgrades provides excellent value. A 900 World Traveller Plus ticket to Atlanta can be upgraded to Club World for 25,000 Avios (plus a bit of extra tax). However, if you pay with a BA Amex card you will get 3 Avios for every pound you have spent (as it is through the BA website) AND you will get a load of Avios from BA when you take the flight as you have bought a WT+ ticket. In fact you will get more than half those Avios back so in ballpark figures about 12,000 Avios will get you something like 2500 worth of benefit.
    • Roger1
    • By Roger1 2nd Mar 12, 7:24 AM
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    The upshot is that I'm now collecting Avios at a rate of 800 per 2.50 rather than 600 and am loathed to do anything that would change this state of affairs. This includes changing the destination of those Tesco Avios to the BAEC, of which I'm now a member, to get the 6000 bonus Avios over the next three quarters. Of course the 80 mile/800 Avios rate might be transferable from the Avios scheme to the BAEC scheme but I don't want to take the risk.
    Originally posted by egpx
    Although Avios can be transferred between schemes, I don't think the earning rates can.

    There's a way round this to get the extra 2,000 bonus Avios per quarter. If you qualify (and you need to check the qualification rules), transfer just enough Clubcard points once per quarter to trigger the bonus. At the 600 rate, this will be 7.50 in points earning 1,800 Avios. (Minimum to trigger the bonus is 1,500 Avios. For comparison, at the 800 rate you need to transfer just 5.00.) Then transfer the remaining points to BAEC at the 800 rate thus maximising the offers.

    Mrs Roger and I transferred a bundle of points yesterday, to BAEC @ 800 and the minimum to avios.com @ 600. The BAEC Avios are already in our accounts at the normal rate. The bonuses should appear in a couple of weeks or so. As usual, the avios.com credits are nowhere to be seen, but they will appear in due course.
  • trevorh
    Can anyone confirm if you can use your Tesco clubcard points for more than one BAEC account.

    My wife has more points than me so I wish to convert some into her BAEC a/c and some into mine.

    I don't see why it shouldn't work but anyone done it successfully?
    Last edited by trevorh; 02-03-2012 at 8:38 AM.
    • malkie76
    • By malkie76 2nd Mar 12, 8:45 AM
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    It wont work - name on the account must match the name on the clubcard.
  • trevorh
    I guess a follow on question is can you take advantage of the bonus offer for both your BAEC and Avios accounts separately, I think from what has been said this should work?
    • egpx
    • By egpx 2nd Mar 12, 9:36 AM
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    egpx
    Although Avios can be transferred between schemes, I don't think the earning rates can.

    There's a way round this to get the extra 2,000 bonus Avios per quarter. If you qualify (and you need to check the qualification rules), transfer just enough Clubcard points once per quarter to trigger the bonus. At the 600 rate, this will be 7.50 in points earning 1,800 Avios. (Minimum to trigger the bonus is 1,500 Avios. For comparison, at the 800 rate you need to transfer just 5.00.) Then transfer the remaining points to BAEC at the 800 rate thus maximising the offers.

    Mrs Roger and I transferred a bundle of points yesterday, to BAEC @ 800 and the minimum to avios.com @ 600. The BAEC Avios are already in our accounts at the normal rate. The bonuses should appear in a couple of weeks or so. As usual, the avios.com credits are nowhere to be seen, but they will appear in due course.
    Originally posted by Roger1
    Hmmm, that's interesting. The only problem I have is that I'm on that system whereby all my clubcard points are automatically converted to avios Avios. I would have to stop that arrangement and then manually assign the clubcard vouchers to both avios Avios and BAEC Avios with the minimum number to earn the bonus going to BAEC and the rest to avios to obtain the higher rate. But would pulling out of the automatic scheme affect the rate I get? I guess I could phone up Clubcard and ask...

    It all seems pretty silly when what you end up with are some Avios that are worth the same if they are deposited in your avios account or your BAEC account.
    • egpx
    • By egpx 2nd Mar 12, 9:40 AM
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    egpx
    Can anyone confirm if you can use your Tesco clubcard points for more than one BAEC account.

    My wife has more points than me so I wish to convert some into her BAEC a/c and some into mine.

    I don't see why it shouldn't work but anyone done it successfully?
    Originally posted by trevorh
    What you can do is link your BAEC accounts into a Household Account which should enable you to use eachother's avios no matter whose clubcard has collected them
  • trevorh
    What you can do is link your BAEC accounts into a Household Account which should enable you to use eachother's avios no matter whose clubcard has collected them
    Originally posted by egpx
    Unfortunately you can only take advantage of the quarterly bonus once per household account.

    I have just removed my household account for this very reason so I can get one bonus for each of us.
    • egpx
    • By egpx 4th Mar 12, 10:40 PM
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    egpx
    Unfortunately you can only take advantage of the quarterly bonus once per household account.

    I have just removed my household account for this very reason so I can get one bonus for each of us.
    Originally posted by trevorh
    Ah, right, got you now. Things are never easy are they?
    • thelawnet
    • By thelawnet 5th Mar 12, 9:47 PM
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    Pretty good guide.

    A few points:
    "How much is an Avios worth?

    Depending on how you spend them, 1,000 Avios points could be worth anything from 1 to 20."

    They could be worth more than 20. But that's not a helpful comment really.

    Later you say ' 1,000 Avios are typically only worth 8-10'

    Which is a more useful guide, really.

    "Think twice before spending Avios points on hotels or car hire. In our research we found these gave poor value for points - you'll usually be better off redeeming on other rewards."

    There is a fixed 1,000 Avios = 6 value on this (1 Avios = 0.6p). Which is actually not that bad. The base hotel price is usually competitive, sometimes better than available from other sources, sometimes worse.

    With 1p Tesco currently = 4 avios, this means that 10 of vouchers = 24 in a hotel. Compared to other holiday rewards such as 10 for 30 of Cosmos vouchers, which is only valid against the full brochure price, 10 for 24 is quite attractive.

    It's not that easy to redeem Avios on flights - for long-haul you are wasting your time unless you want to fly Club/First, which is going to cost you hundred of pounds more than economy, and has very bad availability to many destinations, and for families needing to travel in the school holidays, they can pretty much forget it. The short-haul flights are easier to work with but if you don't take that many flights, you still might find your Avios hanging round a long time. The 1 Avios = 0.6p rate is reasonable enough.

    OTOH, I'm fully agreed that Avis is a bad deal on Avios, you are stuck with one brand, you won't get their best rates, and on top of that 1 Avios to 0.6p is not a great deal.

    "Avios says the main Avios scheme's better for irregular travellers and the BA Executive Club's best for frequent flyers, offering benefits such as free airport lounge access."

    The point here is that if you book a BA/Iberia/AA/Cathay/OneWorld member airline flight for cash, you need to book the miles to BAEC. Don't credit them to Avios, there's no point at all. Having a BAEC membership is basically essential, even if you are an Avios member on a miles booking, because you get recognised in their system and get slightly better treatment.

    Re Shell, it might be worth mentioning the 'V power Club'. Though it's not a justication for buying V Power fuel, and it still doesn't beat Tesco, if you already do buy V Power, then joining the V Power Club will give you double points.

    "The points aren't cheap, at 31 per 1,000."

    Not so, it is 16 per 1,000 PLUS a flat 15 charge.

    And you've not really explained the flexible ticket issue and the fact that upgrades are significantly better than redemptions.

    If you book in Economy, you can only upgrade to World Traveller Plus. Which is a waste of time, because the upgradeable economy ticket costs double the cheapest economy ticket, and World Traveller is not that great anyway.

    OTOH, ALL World Traveller Plus tickets are available, even the cheapest. So you can use https://www.britishairways.com/travel/low-price-finder/execclub/_gf/en_gb the low price finder and the given price for WT+ is upgradeable to CW - IF there is availability for redemptions in CW.

    Generally speaking if you can get a redemption in CW, there will be a ticket available for sale in WT+. So instead of redeeming in CW, buy the ticket in WT+, and upgrade at the time of sale to CW.

    Why? Because the miles cost is reduced by 75%, you also earn miles, and you earn Tier Points towards BA status.

    For example, a WT+ ticket to Antigua costs from 1000. To upgrade to CW is 25,000 miles. But you will earn 10,218 miles, and 180 Tier Points (300 points needed for BA status). So net cost just 15,000 miles (much less if you have BA status).

    On the other hand, to redeem in Club World will cost 468 plus 100,000 miles. You earn no Tier Points and no miles.

    So the straight ticket costs 532 more, but it is 85,000 miles cheaper, which is a pretty good deal. More cash, much fewer miles, plus if you are booking flights regularly (at least two long-haul round-trips per year), you will get status. Always compare the overall cost of a straight redemption with a miles-for-upgrade.

    "Earn via BA & Iberia flights

    Avios members can still earn points in the same way when flying on BA and its partner airline Iberia. So remember to collect if you were flying on those airlines anyway."

    You can earn Avios on Cathay Pacific, Finnair, JAL, LAN, Malev, Qantas, S7, Royal Jordanian, Alaska, Aer Lingus, Air Berlin, Kingfisher, and Openskies in fact.
  • post-it
    One of the great ways to build up avios very quickly is by getting either a BA amex card or a charge card.
    The platinum card normally comes with a 40k points bonus that can be transferred to Avios. a referral gives you 42k (an extra 2k). The card costs 300 annually but you get free travel insurance for 2 people, free car hire insurance and various lounge access (including BA) and hotel upgrades.
    The BA black card normally comes with a 18k avios bonus. a referral gives you 19k (an extra 1k). The card costs 150 annually but you get a companion voucher so you can bogof on points used for flights.

    PM me if you need a referral
    • kipperman
    • By kipperman 7th Mar 12, 4:57 PM
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    One of the great ways to build up avios very quickly is by getting either a BA amex card or a charge card.
    The platinum card normally comes with a 40k points bonus that can be transferred to Avios. a referral gives you 42k (an extra 2k). The card costs 300 annually but you get free travel insurance for 2 people, free car hire insurance and various lounge access (including BA) and hotel upgrades.
    The BA black card normally comes with a 18k avios bonus. a referral gives you 19k (an extra 1k). The card costs 150 annually but you get a companion voucher so you can bogof on points used for flights.

    PM me if you need a referral
    Originally posted by post-it
    Sorry, but not the case. There is no credit card as far as I am aware that will give you access to BA lounges . Only for those on CE/Club World/First or Silver/Gold BA Exec club holders.

    I believe that the American Express Platinum card comes with a Priority Pass membership - but these lounges are not BA lounges.
    Last edited by kipperman; 07-03-2012 at 5:00 PM.
  • post-it
    Sorry, but not the case. There is no credit card as far as I am aware that will give you access to BA lounges . Only for those on CE/Club World/First or Silver/Gold BA Exec club holders.

    I believe that the American Express Platinum card comes with a Priority Pass membership - but these lounges are not BA lounges.
    Originally posted by kipperman
    One of the current benefits of the platinum card is a Cathay Pacificic (CX) gold card for 1 year. This card is a one world card and is equivalent to BA silver. If travelling One world you are allowed access to BA business lounges aswell is free seat booking and business class check in. The priority pass is a seperate benefit to this one.
    Last edited by post-it; 08-03-2012 at 11:57 AM.
    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 9th Mar 12, 2:28 PM
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    Thanks for long post, lawnet. OH and I fly to Tampa twice a year, not always BA, though.

    Is it easy to upgrade from WT using points? We are going at the end of the month and have 75,000. (flight already booked)
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    • malkie76
    • By malkie76 9th Mar 12, 3:28 PM
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    Is it easy to upgrade from WT using points? We are going at the end of the month and have 75,000. (flight already booked)
    Originally posted by pollypenny
    Yes it's easy, and you can do it only, but only if you have booked a Y, B or H class economy ticket. These are the more expensive ticket buckets, so if you bought the cheapest available you won't be able to upgrade.
    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 10th Mar 12, 10:54 AM
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    Oh-oh! Booked the cheapest! Have to really, we are retired and want to see first grandchild in the USA as often as possible.

    It is my dream to travel First class home - just once in my life!

    Not heard the terms Y, B & H for tickets before. I assume they refer to flexible tickets.
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    • kaz0705
    • By kaz0705 12th Mar 12, 7:38 PM
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    Hi,

    I'm starting to investigate Avios points, having never used airmiles or anything before.

    I have about 70 to convert from Tesco. One question I had has already been asked here but no real conclusive answer: to get the bonus points (6k points), I need to have earned a point elsewhere. I am happy to buy something in their shop (mother's day seems convenient) but, presumably, I will have to wait til the points are credited before I then transfer my tesco points?

    As Tesco have the offer til the end of the month with the extra 400 points... I *think*, if i decide to get into this scheme, it would be better to transfer the majority before 31st march, right?

    I figure I have about 28 vouchers to exchange which is currently 28000 points. If I wait til the eshop points are credited, and its after 31st, id only get 600 which translates to 16800 points.

    Am I thinking right?! Its so confusing!!

    Finally, the 27 europe fees say you need to have been a member for a year. IS there anywhere I can find out what they charge for fees otherwise? Because I'm not sure its worth it if even europe flights will cost me a fortune in fees!

    Sorry, hope this all makes sense! Just have saved up tesco points with a view of using them towards a holiday and now I'm not sure the best way forward!!

    Thanks in advance!

    Kaz
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    • thelawnet
    • By thelawnet 12th Mar 12, 9:16 PM
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    Thanks for long post, lawnet. OH and I fly to Tampa twice a year, not always BA, though.

    Is it easy to upgrade from WT using points? We are going at the end of the month and have 75,000. (flight already booked)
    Originally posted by pollypenny
    Not in the slightest.

    We flew to Tampa in December, I think the fare was 400 in WT, 800 in WT+. From the 400 fare, however, you could not upgrade, but the 800 fare (WT+), as I mentioned in my post, is fully upgradeable.

    So basically 400 is economy, 800 +25,000 miles is Club World. It's still an extra 400 plus miles, but it's much cheaper than paying the full fare (which to TPA is 1500+)

    Your miles are useless for this fare, but you can possibly upgrade for cash, but only probably to WT+, which is not really worth it.
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