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    • MSE Archna
    • By MSE Archna 18th Mar 08, 11:39 AM
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    TV Licence article Discussion
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    • 18th Mar 08, 11:39 AM
    TV Licence article Discussion 18th Mar 08 at 11:39 AM


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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 18th Jul 19, 2:46 PM
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    First, I'm wondering what people do for news? Do they just rely on website/twitter/FB news or are there youtube channels/apps that have spoken/video news similar to nightly news that you can watch on a tv (using AppleTV) without a tv licence and subscription?
    Originally posted by bobfredbob
    DAB Radio.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • Heykittygirl
    • By Heykittygirl 18th Jul 19, 9:46 PM
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    Sorry if it's been asked already but do you need a license if you merely have access to 4od through a smart TV? The license people have first of all told my bf he needs a license (even though all he watches is Netflix and Amazon) and when he said he won't be paying it they told him because he has access to 4od he has to pay. However an article on this site says you do not need it if you do not watch live TV or iPlayer. Do I have a right to complain to them? I feel they're in the wrong here
    • cw18
    • By cw18 18th Jul 19, 10:05 PM
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    The ONLY catch-up service that requires a licence is BBC iPlayer.




    And having access to iPlayer doesn't require a licence - WATCHING it does. My Smart TV has the iPlayer app, but I don't use it so I don't need a licence.
    Last edited by cw18; 18-07-2019 at 10:08 PM.
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    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 18th Jul 19, 10:11 PM
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    Sorry if it's been asked already but do you need a license if you merely have access to 4od through a smart TV?
    Originally posted by Heykittygirl
    No. In fact, you don't need a Licence to "merely have access" to anything. The Licence is to receive TV through "live" broadcasts on linear channels or via BBC iPlayer.

    The license people have first of all told my bf he needs a license (even though all he watches is Netflix and Amazon) and when he said he won't be paying it they told him because he has access to 4od he has to pay. However an article on this site says you do not need it if you do not watch live TV or iPlayer. Do I have a right to complain to them? I feel they're in the wrong here
    The MSE article is correct (and amongst TV Licensing articles in the media is one of the most complete and accurate).

    I doubt that complaining will achieve much. I would simply tell your BF that he is correct, that he doesn't need a Licence to use Netflix and Amazon(*) and not worry too much about TV Licensing (who are difficult to deal with at the best of times - when you don't need a Licence).

    (*) Amazon carries live tennis at certain times of the year. Whilst this doesn't require a Licence (being programming specifically created for Amazon and not carried in the UK by any broadcast TV channel), it's possible that TV Licensing would claim that it does require a Licence.
    Last edited by Cornucopia; 18-07-2019 at 10:55 PM.
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    • oldernonethewiser
    • By oldernonethewiser 19th Jul 19, 4:11 PM
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    Just received my second letter from TVL.


    Gosh they are an intimidating lot with their choice of words.


    As I didn't respond to their previous letter "an investigation into your property has now begun"


    Oh the horror!


    I can still stop this investigation; "you need to buy a licence without delay"


    Well, no I don't actually.


    What I can do is put their letter in the recycling and carry on ignoring them


    If the time comes when I require a licence then I shall buy one.


    But that time is not now, so no licence needed.
    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 19th Jul 19, 4:26 PM
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    As I didn't respond to their previous letter "an investigation into your property has now begun"
    Originally posted by oldernonethewiser

    "And so it begins" - Only to be repeated again in six months time. Quite how long they keep launching these "investigations" is anybody's guess. I'm in to the fourth year, and I don't even bother opening the letters any more.
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    • 1005922
    • By 1005922 19th Jul 19, 4:28 PM
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    Weekly occurrence are the letters for me, I just write return to sender not interested on them and pop them back in the post
    • oldernonethewiser
    • By oldernonethewiser 19th Jul 19, 4:35 PM
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    Many years ago, at another property, I kept getting letters so I phoned them up and they said they could see I had a licence and did not know why the letters were being sent out. They didn't stop and two goons did in fact turn up eventually They were very disappointed when I showed them my licence.


    I was more naive in those days. Now I would just tell them to f-off.
    • Watchkeeper
    • By Watchkeeper 19th Jul 19, 5:29 PM
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    Maybe it's a leftover from the Radio Licence?
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    Yes, I believe it is. A licence originally permitted you to establish a "wireless telegraphy receiving station". Over the years the 1904 Act has been updated in an ad hoc fashion in an attempt to keep up with technology, but the concept of the "receiving station" persisted which is why premises are licensed, not people. The Communications Act 2003, the latest incarnation, has this at Section 363:
    Licence required for use of TV receiver
    (1) A television receiver must not be installed or used unless the installation and use of the receiver is authorised by a licence under this Part.
    "Installation" in the old days involved plugging into the mains (valves needed a lot of energy) and connecting an aerial, otherwise the apparatus would not work. Nowadays, if you're on internal battery power with no external aerial then you haven't "installed" the receiver and its use is covered by your home licence.

    It's not so much a hangover from the 1950s as from the early days of Government attempts to control "wireless telegraphy", notably the Wireless Telegraphy Acts of 1904, 1924 and 1949!
    • Watchkeeper
    • By Watchkeeper 19th Jul 19, 6:39 PM
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    Tell a 70 year old you don't have a TV licence and they will probably call the police!
    Originally posted by wymondham
    Don't be so ageist!

    I'm the other side of 70 and haven't paid for a licence these last 50 years - perfectly legally. I refuse to fund the BBC on principle, an organisation diametrically opposed to my own world view.
    • Ego_Shredder
    • By Ego_Shredder 20th Jul 19, 9:19 AM
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    The News
    People are asking if there are alternatives to the main news programmes on the terrestrial channels, but getting the abject lies, deception, manipulation, social engineering and marxist left wing views of the mainstream media out of my life, was one of the first benefits of stopping watching my TV.


    Since 2010, I have received my news via various carefully selected YouTube channels, and social media sites. Any source can lie to you, but after a while and with a bit of thought you can get a good enough idea of which are more reliable.
    What goes around - comes around
    give lots and you will always receive lots
    • stragglebod
    • By stragglebod 20th Jul 19, 11:13 AM
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    Don't be so ageist!

    I'm the other side of 70 and haven't paid for a licence these last 50 years - perfectly legally. I refuse to fund the BBC on principle, an organisation diametrically opposed to my own world view.
    Originally posted by Watchkeeper
    You want media which neither informs, educates, or entertains? You do realise that you still need a TV license even if you only watch Channel 5?
    • 1005922
    • By 1005922 20th Jul 19, 11:24 AM
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    No license needed for Ch5 catch up
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 20th Jul 19, 11:33 AM
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    You want media which neither informs, educates, or entertains?
    Originally posted by stragglebod
    Wouldn't that be impossible?
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    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 20th Jul 19, 11:51 AM
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    Wouldn't that be impossible?
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    I think there are some religious channels on Freeview? They might fit the bill!

    But in terms of education and information, Sky News, ITV, and Channel 4 all manage to meet that need to an extent.

    For entertainment, you can't beat the BBC News channel. OBs regularly not up to scratch, missed cues, wrong camera angles. BBC News is truly amateurish.

    And BBC entertainment has sunk (possibly) as low as it can go.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 20th Jul 19, 11:52 AM
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    Wouldn't that be impossible?
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    I think they are some religious channels on Freeview? They might fit the bill!

    The shopping channels do.

    But in terms of education and information, Sky News, ITV, and Channel 4 all manage to meet that need to an extent.

    For entertainment, you can't beat the BBC News channel. OBs regularly not up to scratch, missed cues, wrong camera angles. BBC News is truly amateurish.

    And BBC entertainment has sunk (possibly) as low as it can go.
    • Watchkeeper
    • By Watchkeeper 20th Jul 19, 2:25 PM
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    You want media which neither informs, educates, or entertains? You do realise that you still need a TV license even if you only watch Channel 5?
    Originally posted by stragglebod
    The BBC does not have a monopoly on informing, educating and entertaining. When it was the sole provider (by Government fiat) it did, and under those circumstances the licence could have been justified. That is manifestly not the situation now. Reason notwithstanding, the BBC continues unabated (to misquote Douglas Adams). It's a huge, lumbering dinosaur way out of its geological period.

    As for when a TV licence is needed - I know exactly when a TV licence is needed, and that is why I don't have one.

    Come on - join us licence-free people in the 21st century!
    • cw18
    • By cw18 20th Jul 19, 2:42 PM
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    Due to a discussion on another forum (not related to the change in TV Licences for over 75's) I've discovered there's another group of low income pensioners who'll lose them - and they were already set to be a lot worse off than they would have been in the past.



    Those households with someone over 75 and on Pension Credit will still get Pension Credit (and the free licence). But benefit changes on 15th May mean that if one person in a couple is State Pension Age but their partner isn't and they're making a new claim, they now have to apply for Universal Credit rather than Pension Credit.



    My (late) husband was 10 years and 5 months older than me. He'd have got State Pension at 66, but I won't get until I reach 67 - which is over 11 years later. So on his 75th birthday I'd still have had 2 years and 5 months until I reached 67, and that would have meant that if we were on a low income (eg. only his State Pension) we'd have had to apply for Universal Credit - and that doesn't give entitlement to a free licence. It also appears that UC could be a significantly lower payment than PC, which means we'd already have been struggling.


    As well as the various extra benefits available for pensioners, Pension Credit rates are much higher than Universal Credit rates. For example, in 2019/2020 the standard minimum guarantee for a couple in Pension Credit is 255.25 per week (1106 per month). In comparison the couple rate for Universal Credit, for a couple over 25, is 498.89 per month.
    from entitledto





    The only 'good' news is that once the younger partner reaches State Pension Age, entitlement to UC ends - and at that point the couple can apply for Pension Credit instead.
    Cheryl
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 20th Jul 19, 7:54 PM
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    As I didn't respond to their previous letter "an investigation into your property has now begun"
    Originally posted by oldernonethewiser
    They've conducted 30 investigations into my property, although, curiously, I've not been told the result of any of them.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • 1005922
    • By 1005922 20th Jul 19, 7:56 PM
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    They've conducted 30 investigations into my property, although, curiously, I've not been told the result of any of them.
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    I especially like the one that asks on the actual envelope if I will be in on such and such day, yep I am but where are you, I dunno the amount of times they have promised to come but then haven't
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