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    Real Life MMD: My son broke boy's glasses - should I pay?
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    • 15th Jun 11, 5:29 PM
    Real Life MMD: My son broke boy's glasses - should I pay? 15th Jun 11 at 5:29 PM
    My son broke boy's glasses - should I pay?

    I was called into school as my son broke another boy's glasses in a play fight. The school questioned them and they admitted they were being stupid but it wasn't malicious. The next day this boy's older brother started bullying my son saying he'd have to pay for the glasses. Now the school have called saying this boys' parents want us to pay 50% (25) towards new glasses. The boy admitted his broken glasses were very old and had been broken several times already. Should I have to pay?

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    Last edited by Former MSE Lee; 21-06-2011 at 7:50 PM.
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    • telsco
    • By telsco 21st Jun 11, 8:19 PM
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    I'd would offer to pay 50% towards the repair of the glasses. Offering to pay towards new ones is out of the question.
  • dreamteamgirl
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    • 21st Jun 11, 8:34 PM
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    • 21st Jun 11, 8:34 PM
    Arent children's glasses free?
    No, they shouldnt ask, its quite outrageous!
    • By POPPYOSCAR 21st Jun 11, 8:37 PM
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    Yes you should pay.

    They are only asking for half and they would not have been broken if your son had not been fighting even if it was only play fighting.
    • By POPPYOSCAR 21st Jun 11, 8:38 PM
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    I'd would offer to pay 50% towards the repair of the glasses. Offering to pay towards new ones is out of the question.
    Originally posted by telsco

    Perhaps they are beyond repair.
  • mayling03
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    • 21st Jun 11, 8:44 PM
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    • 21st Jun 11, 8:44 PM
    Hard to say. Is it affordable? Cheap glasses start from 30 so I would offer half of this. Alternatively, bake some cakes as a gesture of goodwill and stick a sorry note in there? This method would be cheaper!
    • Petaldust
    • By Petaldust 21st Jun 11, 8:57 PM
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    • 21st Jun 11, 8:57 PM
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    • 21st Jun 11, 8:57 PM
    I work for Specsavers. They will replace broken or lost glasses belonging to anyone under 16 for free on the NHS. So I don't know what the parents are trying to demand money for.
    • pennypinchUK
    • By pennypinchUK 21st Jun 11, 9:57 PM
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    Sounds like a simple negotiation - you tell them the glasses were old and had already broken, and offer to pay 10. If they don't like it they don't get anything.

    Either way, you complain to the school about their son's bullying. Bullying is never acceptable and the school should take the strongest of stands against the boy.
    • sellingmysoul666
    • By sellingmysoul666 21st Jun 11, 10:17 PM
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    It sounds like they make a habit of fighting if the glasses have been repaired several times

    Dont pay a penny. Children under 16 get free repairs or replacement glasses if they are broken under the nhs, ask any optician for a GOS4 form.
    I work for an organisation in the nhs which processes these forms.
    Children can get free eye tests every year (or 6 months in some circumstances) and glasses if required.
    So glasses should never be very old!!

    Nhs choices website with more info re childrens and adult repairs
    Last edited by sellingmysoul666; 21-06-2011 at 10:28 PM.
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  • Greenfly
    Children's glasses are, in most cases, free. I know my daughter has broken / lost her's on a few occaisions.

    Politely refuse, explaining the state of the glasses and probably their age, and report the bullying.
    • kevanf1
    • By kevanf1 21st Jun 11, 11:00 PM
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    Not a chance. Kids are kids and get into scrapes. Now, the older sibling starting the bullying is totally different. I'd tell the parents to back off or I'd inform the police about their other child and his bullying...
    Kevan - a disabled old so and so who, despite being in pain 24/7 still manages to smile as much as possible
  • poppypowers
    No! They fought, you have been to school. Now it is over. Time their child learned to take responsibility. Time they took responsibility for their child. Next they will be looking for a pot hole to fall down. If they truly can't afford glasses there will indeed be glasses provided for them on the NHS (just not RayBans). Don't do it! ...And you just saved 25!
  • EllieMay
    I don't think you should pay as
    1 both children were responsible
    2 the glasses weren't newish
    3 The school is being harassed by the parents & they are aware of the bullying and are trying to get rid of the problem by getting you to appease the parents
    • clouds21
    • By clouds21 21st Jun 11, 11:47 PM
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    Disregarding the potential option of Specsavers replacing a complete of set spectacles, frames and glasses for free (lucky them, however, I don't believe it's quite that easy...), fact is that child broke another child's glasses, and parents should still take responsibility for their children's actions until they reach the age of 16, shouldn't they? It seems a bit odd that a parent wouldn't want to take responsibility and pass that message on to their child, in order for them not to do it again. Seems a very small price to pay to teach a very valuable lesson.
  • Beverley
    My daughters each went through a phase of breaking their specs - not deliberately - they were just very young and clumsy when they first wore them. On each occasion, I simply too them to the opticians and they were repaired or replaced free of charge. This family are scamming you - don't pay a penny. And report the older brother for bullying.
  • alspants123
    If the child whos glasses are broken is under 16 living in the uk the opticians practice he attends will be able to issue the parents with a gos 3 voucher which means the nhs would cover the cost of "free" nhs specs. If the parents originally paid for any extra coatings or frames then the nhs would not cover these and there would be an extra charge to replace them, Here I feel there is a responsibility to share the cost.

    However its highly unlikely that the total cost would amount to more than 40 for extras (unless it was a designer frame etc then the cost could be higher) If in doubt ask for them to provide you with a receipt and go from there (I would ask them to provide the frame code and lens type so if you think they are pulling a fast one you can check it out with the opticians themselves!)
    • awm49
    • By awm49 22nd Jun 11, 12:44 AM
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    I am afraid that by law you are at least 50% responsible
    I am afraid that by law you are at least 50% responsible. As your son is a minor any actions he takes you automatically become responsible for. While I understand that this was an accident the glasses were broken during a fight.

    The same principle in law would apply from something as simple if you were angry and arguing with your neighbour and while in the course of a physical argument you broke a garden ornament. While you may not have intended to do so you are still responsible for your actions as is your son in regards to the broken glasses.

    However that being said you could argue that the school had a responsiblity of care for both children and should not have allowed the fight to occur in the first place you would have to seek damages from the school however the parents of the other child have no obligation to do so.

    While you may be able to argue in court that the other boy should not have been fighting at best you might get a reduction in costs depending on how a judge apportions blame, you could also ask for the cost of an NHS optical voucher to be considered when assessing damages however the value of such a voucher is less than 40 and many childrens glasses are much more expensive.
  • Thingymum
    This is a good advice website and would suggest your son would be unlikely to be found liable (assuming he isn't a teenager) In fact the school is most likely to be held liable for failure to supervise.

    Apparently I cant post links - its the citizens advice bureau website and its on damaging neighbours property follow...

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    and then go to the children's section

    Personally I would ask to see a copy of the receipt for the repair / replacements and then would pay half as a matter or goodwill / being a reasonable person assuming that the glasses are more expensive than the NHS allows for.

    Oh and I would expect the bullying to be stopped both by the school and the parents PDQ
    Last edited by Thingymum; 22-06-2011 at 2:04 AM. Reason: typos
  • ISAmad
    Sounds like you're going to pay for it either way if it's free on the NHS.
  • ISAmad
    Seriously, why in Britain in the 21st Century is the government using taxes to give children 'free' glasses? Britons are amongst the richest people in the world. I presume this parental perk is open to all parents regardless of income?!

    It's quite ridiculous that the government should be responsible for buying, repairing and replacing children's glasses.
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